Predicto Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Two thoughts. First, I don't know why anyone ever buys a new car. Buy a one or two year old creampuff of a used car, and let that other guy eat the 40 percent depreciation. Second, someday you are going to want a Minivan. I know, it seems emasculating, but the reality is that if you have kids and all their stuff and carpools etc, minivans just rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor of Fed Ex Field Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 People buy new cars because they want to be the only one that drives it. I mean, nobody here wants a car I drove. Better interest rates on new cars also, plus they come with full warranty. At the end of the day, a three year old car and a new car could cost the same to own in a 4 year period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 People buy new cars because they want to be the only one that drives it. I mean, nobody here wants a car I drove.Better interest rates on new cars also, plus they come with full warranty. At the end of the day, a three year old car and a new car could cost the same to own in a 4 year period. And plus the reason you buy a new car is that you don't have to get repairs on it and then if you care so much about depreciation then buy a used car from the start. The reason i bought a new car was because i knew i would keep the car for a long time, know what has been done to the car. When i got my lexus, it was still in a wrapper and i got it off the truck and i was the only person to ever sit in the drivers seat. i love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I own a 2011 VW CC R-line and its a great car and look great too. Such a sleek 4-door car and gets lots of looks. I've had it for about 10 months and its been fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I guess that "being the first" thing is important to some people. I can get a full complete warranty on a used car, and I can find out exactly what has been done to it, and then I can spend the $10k I saved on something else I want. And I don't borrow money to buy a car so the interest rate means nothing to me. I have had one of my cars for over ten years now and the other for nearly 20 years, they both have been perfectly reliable, and I bought both of them used. Each to their own. Not knocking your choice. I don't love cars enough to pay that premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Two thoughts. First, I don't know why anyone ever buys a new car. Buy a one or two year old creampuff of a used car, and let that other guy eat the 40 percent depreciation. Second, someday you are going to want a Minivan. I know, it seems emasculating, but the reality is that if you have kids and all their stuff and carpools etc, minivans just rock. Predicto, most of the time you would be correct but it's an absolute seller's market in used cars right now. A couple factors. - Cash for clunkers took a TON of perfectly good cars off the roads permanently. Overall supply of used vehicles is therefore down. - 3 + million fewer cars have been sold in each of the past several years. As such that's significantly fewer potential 1-3 year old used cars on the market as well. Supply reduction at the top and bottom - Manufacturers, as seen above, aren't selling as many cars and in response are offering ridiculously cheap financing (that you can't get on used cars) and sales/incentives - On top of all that, also due to the economy and fewer people capable of affording a new car the demand for the couple year old creampuff is higher than usual, too Add it all up and you have a situation where, at the end of the day you walk out of the dealership with a 2 year old version of the same car you could have just bought new for $20 a month lower payment. Great time to get a good deal (price and financing) on a new car, not so great a time to be in the market for a newish used car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Perhaps you are right. I haven't had to buy a car in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I own a 2011 VW CC R-line and its a great car and look great too. Such a sleek 4-door car and gets lots of looks. I've had it for about 10 months and its been fantastic Love the car and it's great looking but not a good choice for someone with an infant. Somewhat cramped backseat, very low roofline, 4 seater coupe style car. I would hate to try and get a baby in and out of that back seat. The Passat on the other hand has enough room in the back for a 6 footer to cross his legs with a 6 footer in the driver's seat. Also the CC has a base price that is 7-8 grand higher than the Passat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdlives Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I had a Jetta for a while and loved it. It never gave me much trouble, however, it was a diesel and if something did break down, it was off the the dealership for repairs. That car went 100k with few repairs and I drive a ton for work. My next car was a 2002 used Honda Accord 4 door. The Accord had almost no repairs throughout its life and I finally turned it in after 225K miles. I probably put a total of $5k into keeping the car up, which for 200,000+ miles isn't bad. I love the VW's and think they're great cars, but I went out and bought another Accord as my next car. Personally, I dont think you can go wrong either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Love the car and it's great looking but not a good choice for someone with an infant. Somewhat cramped backseat, very low roofline, 4 seater coupe style car. I would hate to try and get a baby in and out of that back seat. The Passat on the other hand has enough room in the back for a 6 footer to cross his legs with a 6 footer in the driver's seat. Also the CC has a base price that is 7-8 grand higher than the Passat. Very true! I was just offering my thoughts on VW in general and not to think about buying the CC. You are right that it would suck trying to get a baby in and out of a car seat in the back. This is my first VW but i've owned 2 Audi's (Q7 & 4000 CS Quattro) . So i've had my fair share in the VW family and they are just awesome cars and built for safety. I'm a German car nut now. I own plenty of cars from different Manufactures. I'm a car addict to say the least but I've never owned an American car. For some reason they turn me off. I'd own a Vette or a CTS-V or one of their high performance cars though lol. I believe though as long as you take car of your car they will last. This is my list of owned cars my wife and I have and all were problem free. Just have maintain them. (BMW E60 M5, Audi Q7, VW CC, Honda Accord, Honda s2000, Honda Civic Si, Infiniti G25x, Infiniti M45S, Audi 4000 CS quattro, Nissan Versa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor of Fed Ex Field Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 and I can find out exactly what has been done to it From a CarFax? From a Car Salesman? Hahahahaha! You have no idea what people have done are have done to cars. CarFaxes can be minipulated, Car Salesman can lie. People do dirty **** in cars and you would never know. Ive bought 3 new cars in my lifetime, and 7 used cars in the same time. Sold both for over 13 years. Yes, sometimes a used car can be the bettter deal, but the same goes for buying a new. The guy that said he took the wrapper off his truck and was the first one to ever sit in it, thats a very common thing, But then again, I have personally bought a 1994 Z28 Convertible with 4K miles on ii in 2002, knew the owner, and knew it was a perfectly kept car. So there both points are valid in some way. But ive driven demos for 13 years, and some of those cars pal, you wouldnt want your enemy to to drive. ---------- Post added December-15th-2011 at 11:03 PM ---------- Also, a $10,000 difference between new and a few years old car depends on the car. Obviously a $15k - $20K car wont depreciate $10K in that time, however some real expensive cars could depreciate more than $10K in that amount of time. Every single car, and every single customer is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Longshot, one of the issues with the diesel fuel is that there are currently two levels of low sulfur diesel and, unless you look closely at the pump, you won't know the difference. There's low sulfur diesel fuel (500 ppm) and ultra low sulfur diesel fuel (15 ppm). On an older diesel like yours neither will be an issue, newer ones it can be. In particular the 500 ppm fuel can cause failure of the diesel particulate filter. The other issue is that quality of fuel is not consistent in the states like it is in Europe. Water contamination is an issue for one. Modern clean diesels also use the lubricosity of diesel to lubricate moving parts in the fuel system (such as the high pressure fuel pump) and if it isn't right (or if the engine is cranked extensively without fuel flowing to it) it can destroy that pump and the resulting metal shavings will contaminate the rest of the fuel system. Now that said, almost all the cases of fuel system failures we've seen have been because the customer filled the car with gasoline and realized it when the car shut off and wouldn't re-start. As diesels become more popular, and they will (the Japanese and American manufacturers are currently developing their own, Toyota and BMW just traded techs, hybrid for diesel for example) the fuel quality issues should be significantly reduced. My understanding is that ULSD fuel has been the required standard nationally since last year, so I don't think that would be a problem except maybe the most remote areas. As for water contamination , most recommend that you avoid that by making sure whatever station you go to is high traffic for diesels. Granted, since I own an older diesel, so the first part isn't an issue, but the second would be no matter what the vehicle, and I haven't had a problem. I hope I wasn't trying to make it sound as though it's hugely expensive to own a diesel, it's really not but in the interest of honesty and full disclosure I thought it necessary to point out that there are some additional maintainence costs along the way that you wouldn't necessarily see with a gas engine. However, those are quite easy to accept when you're getting 50-60% better fuel economy. I know the VWs are rated at about 41 mpg highway but from experience these new diesels will routinely see 50 and better highway on a consistent basis. My buddy (2010 TDI sportwagen) recently took his on a trip from DC to NYC and back with four adults in the car, luggage and a roof rack on it and averaged 54 mpg for the entire trip. That's impressive. Diesels get underrated by the EPA all the time in their formula. They all seem to perform consistently better than what they are rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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