Samuels Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Is anyone else tired of the predictable playcalling at the beginning of games? It is always pass,pass its driving me nuts. We'll run 1 time gain 11 yards then pass 6 straight times its getting predictable for me much less a opposeing D-Cordinator. Just like our 1st drive 1st and 10 at the 40 why not run 2 times and try to get into fg range or be closer and take a shot on 4th down instead of pass,pass,pass,punt it's nuts. I hate SS's playcalling its getting to damn predictable. I'm not blasting SS but thats the reason Ramseys takes a beating teams most games and will next week is because of his playcalling. If we are to have any chance next week start letting these backs get atleast 30 carries a game and use a gameplan similiar to the Jets game. If this continues Ramsey is gonna get hurt and D-Cordinators are gonna start taking away Ramseys bread and butter plays. Most teams run a nickel or dime defense on us all game anyway expecting pass why not run more at the start of games to take the pressure of the passing game we are averaging I know over 4.0 yards a carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Uh, we ran the ball one less play than passing it in the 1st half. Not sure what game you were watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eparadox Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I actually have been liking Spurrier's playcalling. If we'd cut our penalties in half, I think we'd be one of the top offensive teams (I mean, we're already ranked #1 in terms of yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 last two games we have gotten down by 17 and 18 points....in those cases the best way to usually catch back up is by playing solid defense and passing the ball...im excited to see the redskins run a wide open attack...this is why snyder went out and got all these horses....and isnt nice to see the redskins finally able to run a screen pass again.....last year those were some of our uglist plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by The Evil Genius Uh, we ran the ball one less play than passing it in the 1st half. Not sure what game you were watching. I love it when poeple say'what game were you watching?' Just a little side note there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 We've thrown 107 passes versus 87 runs. Considering we were down by 17 and 18 in the last 2 games, Id say that's pretty well balanced wouldnt you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 We're currently 2nd in the NFC in rushing yards, and 7th in the NFL for rushing yards per game. That doesn't happen magically.... We have been running the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 the balance is good...its how he mixes them. we get something going and then boom we drop it. we have not established a consistent running game yet in the sense of working it until the defense stops it. samuels is right to the degree that it is predictable when we are going to pass. on the other hand...we were pretty pathetic yesterday trying to run down by the goal line. too early to tell as we did run well in the red zone during the falcon's game. hard to explain, but there is no "there" there. we do something, it succeeds, and then we never go back to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'll tell you what's getting predictable. Any time that Spurrier loses a game, someone piping up and saying Spurrier needs to run the ball more. As if that was the reason why the team lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 nobody said the rams needed to run the ball more 3 years ago when they were scoring 45 points a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 yeah, i'll tell you one thing...i usually am on board with the balance thing, but throughout the second half, whenever ramsey dropped back to pass i EXPECTED good things to happen.... i was hoping spurrier would pass all half long and keep putting pressure on their D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 hell, i wish we would go no huddle and attack every defense....those defenders heads would be spinning with how fast our receivers would be running by them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 The first two plays of the game were runs, so i don't get where you are coming from with the first thing we do is pass. Also, every possession in the first half began with a run. But if you ever listened/paid attention to Spurrier's offensive philosophy it has always been pass to get the lead and run to keep the lead. Which i totally agree with and am pleased to see on the field. I am a modern football fan that wants to see the QB drop back and chuck the ball up the field. I hate watching games that are dominated by runs straight up the middle (like the Dolphins last night) and the dink and dunk 5 yard passing game of PHiladelphia and New England. I'd rather see the Redskins lose a game pushing the ball up the field on passes than to see them win a game 6-3 with 40+ rushing attempts at 3.3 yards a clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 what they need to do is to stop checking off so much at the beginning of the game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eparadox Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by TheSchwartz I'd rather see the Redskins lose a game pushing the ball up the field on passes than to see them win a game 6-3 with 40+ rushing attempts at 3.3 yards a clip. hmm, I'd rather see us win 2-0, than watch any loss, no matter how exciting it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Well, I'd rather see the Redskins win the game, regardless of the means to achieve it. I just don't buy into the philosophy of keeping the game close into the 4th qtr, thereby giving yourself a chance to win. I would much rather be so far ahead by then that the opposing team has no illusions about winning. To do that, you need to score a bunch of points. How do you do that? Short of returning kicks and turnovers for scores, you do it by throwing the ball. You run the ball to slow down the pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted September 22, 2003 Author Share Posted September 22, 2003 Fansince62 hit it right on the head its how he mixes the playcalling and i'm talking about since he has become coach this has nothing to do with yesterdays loss. His lack of run plays at the beginning of games is very predictable. Like last week he runs the last 9 plays and makes it look like good balance.If he would have run more at the beginning instead of getting Ramseys killed in that 1st half we would'nt have been 17 down.The perfect example the Saints game from last year its like no matter how bad **** gets we always gotta be fancy and throw. I'm not trying to complain but we don't have to have Ramsey throwing it seems like 50 times a game. I think the Jets game plan was perfect starting out running and stuck to it nobody has stopped the run and we are ripping up yards when we hand off.But again we are ripping up passing yards also. Maybe I'm weird but it seems like he'll run a few times then throw like 6-7 in a row especially on 1st down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan hell, i wish we would go no huddle and attack every defense....those defenders heads would be spinning with how fast our receivers would be running by them..... Actually, that is a really great idea. This might cause less confusion; Ramsey's audibles would be expected. Plus, what D can keep up with this offensive speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Until yesterday, I used to think so too. But after watching the Giants game, especially in the second half, I've come to the realization that our passing game is DAMMED good, as long as we're not getting penalized after every other play. In fact, I'm almost inclined to think we should pass more, especially from the shotgun. You put Ramsey in shotgun and give him four receivers, with all the speed out there and as money as Ramsey has been, they're almost unstoppable. And another note, Chad Morton needs more touches on Offense. He makes good things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by fansince62 the balance is good...its how he mixes them. we get something going and then boom we drop it. we have not established a consistent running game yet in the sense of working it until the defense stops it. samuels is right to the degree that it is predictable when we are going to pass. Bulleseye..Dead on! make them stop you running before you throw and Spurrier won't do it.. also..spurrier is predictable..if he runs on 1st down than he's not predictable at all.. if he passes on 1st down it's going to be an arial assault 2nd down for sure..and 3rd unless we get sacked and need a ton of yardage on second down.. I'm serious here..on virtually every first down that we threw the ball, we then threw it on second down and a lot of 3rd downs. we were getting 10 yards a clip running.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Betts and Canidate's combined yards rank #3 in the NFL. What more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Actually it was 5 yards per run for Canidate and Betts Ramsey's scrambles and Coles' reverse not included. Ramsey was getting 7.7 yards per ATTEMPT, imagine if the Skins coulda caught the ball a little better Our passing game looks fine, and if spurrier decided to run the ball on every first down how predictable would that be after a game or two? What nobody will catch on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamaskin Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 One of the good things to see in the play calling was some screens and draws to relieve some of the pressure. That and the reverse to Coles . I thought Spurrier had his best game so far this year in play calling. Can't say the same about our defensive calls. Seems like Fassel came out ahead in this matchup, especially when it meant the most in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 While I like the balance, I also think SS could run more. When it was 14-3 I would have still kept running because Candidate and Betts were getting huge chunks of yardage. 21-3 is obviously a different story… I would like to see 60-40 run pass while we are ahead (which seems to be rare), or in a close game. Not a swipe against SS, because I love the fact that he’s learned from last year – and it has obviously shown in the fact that we have one of the more prolific offenses in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 You will find that teams that win run the ball most when their in front while teams playing from behind HAVE to pass. Its backwards to say we need to run to win. The philosophy to use the pass to get the lead is the philosphy used by most winning teams since the mid-70s. Before that, you needed a running game to keep your opponents LBs and DBs from just knocking down your receivers and laying on them. The run also forced the DL to stay at home rather than giving the OL a concusion and then leaving the stunned guy standing there while the DL ran free to the QB. One thing you also need to remember, if you get into 2nd, 3rd and longs, your probably going to have to pass. Against the Giants, we were as often doing this to ourselves (drops, penalties) but getting mid to short 2nd and 3rd downs open the whole playbook to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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