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Yeah, that's Homer talk. Sports Talk 980 thinks he may not be top 3 even in the NFC East. No doubt he's a good player on a team sorely lacking playmakers on the Offense.

Now you've gone to far. Not top three in the nfc east? Com on man Besides maybe Witten, Who the hell else is better than FD93 ?:mad:

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I think you meant you do. ;)

Or did THEY put something in your water? ;)

Wait. What? You're supposed to read what was typed before responding? :pfft: :ols:

No, actually I was responding to your "do you think..." question about whether we'd ignore the matter at resigning. So used to conversing on the phone that I forgot to quote the exact part I was referring to.

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Yeah, that's Homer talk. Sports Talk 980 thinks he may not be top 3 even in the NFC East. No doubt he's a good player on a team sorely lacking playmakers on the Offense.

That's absolutely ridiculous. Jake Ballard and Brent Celek should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Davis. I think you have to give the nod to Witten - he and Davis have very similar numbers (Davis would definitely have the same number of TD on an offense that actually scored) - but Witten is certainly a great blocking TE as well. Davis is a close 2nd to Witten in this division.

Guys, in no particular order, who are probably ahead of Davis:

1) Gronkowski 2) Graham 3) Witten 4) Gonzalez 5) Jermichael Finley

Davis is a TE very much in the mold of guys like Graham, Vernon Davis and Kellen Winslow. But in a poor scoring offense and one that went with John Beck for 3 games and Grossman the other 9, he has outproduced the latter two and aside from scoring (which is a product of the inability to score of our entire offense) was not all that far behind Graham. I honestly think an argument could be made that not a single TE in the league would have outproduced Davis in OUR offense this year. I am NOT saying that makes him better, but simply saying he was about as good as a player can be given our offensive situation.

If you swapped Fred Davis, straight up, for Jimmy Graham or Gronkowski, or Finley, I don't think you can convince me he wouldn't be putting up the same numbers (perhaps a few less scores than Gronkowski, hard to cover 6'8" in the red zone) with their teams. That is to say that TE is a position I'm not sure you can truly say who is the best (in terms of who is the most capable) because their production has so much to do with the team they are on. In that regard, I'm even more impressed by Davis. But if you are purely saying who is the best TE in the league based on capability and skill, I think it's Gronkowski hands down.

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Sure, but to protect the team's investment means no significant up-front money. Any guaranteed money could be paid out in future installments with a voidable option. I'm not sure if his agent would go for it.

Why wouldn't his agent go for it? They have zero leverage here. Again, Bruce Allen negotiated with the NFL & the NFLPA to get him down to 4 games suspended. That's 4 games down from a year suspension which is what he would have ended up with had it not been for Bruce.

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Wait. What? You're supposed to read what was typed before responding? :pfft: :ols:

No, actually I was responding to your "do you think..."

Well that part, yeah we all know that as far as that goes, you don't. :silly:

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Why wouldn't his agent go for it? They have zero leverage here. Again, Bruce Allen negotiated with the NFL & the NFLPA to get him down to 4 games suspended. That's 4 games down from a year suspension which is what he would have ended up with had it not been for Bruce.

That's great and all, but it doesn't really affect what other teams are willing to pay. If another team is willing to pony up more cash than the Skins, then that is their leverage.

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I don't know if this is just coach speak but from Shanahan park quotes below, it sounds like they're going to try and resign him with contract caveats.

On if Davis’ suspension changes his thinking about him for the future:

“We’ll take that part of the evaluation process and we’ll see where Fred is going. I can’t get into a lot of detail, but any contract that anybody would sign somebody to knowing that, with one failed test, they could be gone just like that, they’re going to protect themselves in the contract. It will be based on performance and based on demonstrating what they know.”

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I'm not sure if this is true or not, but weren't we major bidders for Santonio Holmes in FA this year?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/13/report-santonio-holmes-primary-objective-on-long-redskins-wish-list/

"Primary Target"? One year after being dismissed from the Steelers for weed?

If we were willing to pay big bucks to that guy I don't see any reason why we wouldn't do the same for Fred, Our Guy, who's proven himself with Our team.

If anything, like many have stated, it will probably drop the price tag for Fred and the number of potential suitors.

It's kind of funny how it seems to me that all the radio personalities who don't smoke want Fred out of here while those who dabble have not much of a problem with it.

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While I personally can careless about someone using weed in their private life, the problem is in the NFL it gets you suspended, and by now Davis has failed the drug test enough times that if he isn't comitted to not using marijuana for the time being, the next failed test could have huge rammifications.

Davis is going to get a big contract, whether it is with the 'Skins or another team, his talent and potential (I still say potential because I think we have only seen a glimpse of what he is truly capable of on a team with a good offense) are going to get him paid, no doubt.

The problem is, what do you do with a guy who doesn't care? I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say, because of the lockout maybe he thought he could get away with using for a bit longer, and it was still in his system when he got tested but had actually stopped smoking weed thinking there was plenty of time to cleanse the system.

Who knows though.

"""using weed in their private life, the problem is in the NFL it gets you suspended,""

yes and in real life it gets you fired....these people need to grow up and act like adults..they are both one toke away from being suspended for an entire year. they apperantly dont care about their teammates or fans, only about themselves,,they need to trade him. get a second rounder for him and move on, he isnt worth the risk. and mr williams should be very careful in the future too

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"""using weed in their private life, the problem is in the NFL it gets you suspended,""

yes and in real life it gets you fired....these people need to grow up and act like adults..they are both one toke away from being suspended for an entire year. they apperantly dont care about their teammates or fans, only about themselves,,they need to trade him. get a second rounder for him and move on, he isnt worth the risk. and mr williams should be very careful in the future too

The sheer brilliance displayed here is amazing. :doh:

Trade a guy that's going to be a Free Agent for a 2nd round pick, yet keep the guy that's still under contract. Never mind that they did the same thing & received the same suspension.

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the sheer brilliance displayed here is amazing. :doh:

Trade a guy that's going to be a free agent for a 2nd round pick, yet keep the guy that's still under contract. Never mind that they did the same thing & received the same suspension.

yeah and williams isnt a free agent is he?(we are talking about just davis on this thread, but i would trade both of them, they are not worth the risk anymore) They both got 4 games and the next time either one of them gets caught its a year.. Why give the a- hole a big contract and take the chance of him getting caught and losing an entire season? Trade his dumb ass and let someone else worry about it..

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One thing that's been overlooked and I don't know if the new NFL/NFLPA agreement changed the previous agreement or not, but in the former contract, once you tested positive, the drug tests were no longer random. If caught once, a player was tested regularly and often. Not sure if that included recreational drugs. Regardless, if the new agreement still dictates that you get periodic tests after being caught, then these two are stupider than originally thought.

Lack of character - check. Lack of intelligence - check. Wow, sounds like a future Cowpatty and ESPN announcer.

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yeah and williams isnt a free agent is he?(we are talking about just davis on this thread, but i would trade both of them, they are not worth the risk anymore) They both got 4 games and the next time either one of them gets caught its a year.. Why give the a- hole a big contract and take the chance of him getting caught and losing an entire season? Trade his dumb ass and let someone else worry about it..

It's this same type of logic why the Redskins are always sitting at 5-11 LOL! Don't resign the NFL's 3rd best TE! We are only a team that has none,to very little stars on offense. Great decision. Let your best offensive play maker walk for absolutely nothing... well that's just great. (sarcasm) SMGDH Oh not to mention he's also young too. We should also not resign Young , Paulsen , PR ,either next season. Let your young and best offensive weapons walk for absolutely nothing in return.. Yeah, that will really make us contenders in the future.

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It's this same type of logic why the Redskins are always sitting at 5-11 LOL! Don't resign the NFL's 3rd best TE! We are only a team that has none,to very little stars on offense. Great decision. Let your best offensive play maker walk for absolutely nothing... well that's just great. (sarcasm) SMGDH Oh not to mention he's also young too. We should also not resign Young , Paulsen , PR ,either next season. Let your young and best offensive weapons walk for absolutely nothing in return.. Yeah, that will really make us contenders in the future.

again if they are our best offensive weapons, then we might as well let them go.., that we aint winning with them, we can sure as hell lose just as well without them, what good is it to sign davis if he gets caught again, say in preseaon next year?? he's gone for the entire season,trade him let someone else have his immature azz..he is the 3rd best te in the league, but he is our no 1 rcvr.thats says alot about the lack of good wide outs that we have, not so much as to how good davis is,,,he just gets alot more balls thrown to him than most of the other te's in the league,cause we dont have a wide out worth a crap...and what part of trade dont you understand???

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It's this same type of logic why the Redskins are always sitting at 5-11 LOL! Don't resign the NFL's 3rd best TE! We are only a team that has none,to very little stars on offense. Great decision. Let your best offensive play maker walk for absolutely nothing... well that's just great. (sarcasm) SMGDH Oh not to mention he's also young too. We should also not resign Young , Paulsen , PR ,either next season. Let your young and best offensive weapons walk for absolutely nothing in return.. Yeah, that will really make us contenders in the future.

3rd best TE? People might demand you take a drug test. :)

Better than Jermichael Finley of the Packers? answer no. Better than Vernon Davis of the 49ers answer no. Better than Jimmy Graham of the Saints? Answer no. Better than Kellen Winslow jr? Answer no. Better than Whitten or Dallas Clark heck no.

The Patriots Gronkowski has more TDs in 12 games this season than Davis does in his 5 year career.

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FD83 should be resigned, and the Skins should pay him as a top tight end. However, they should also insert a clause in his contract that requires FD83 to repay the entire signing bonus and voids the contract if he is suspended again for a drug infraction. The clause should be a deal-breaker for the Skins. Let him walk if he doesn't agree to it. Treat him like an adult and let him be responsible for himself; if he screws up then he pays, if he stays clean or doesn't get caught then he should be paid the money he's worth.

Same for Williams when he is up for his next contract.

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