jfriedenthal Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Anyone who wants to sit Williams or any other player, to "play it safe" needs their head examined. This is football. It's a physical sport. Their bodies need some level of physicality, and it could be a worse move to bench one of these guys than to play them and risk injury. Their bodies need to be ready for the physicality of the sport, and making them rusty isn't the way to do it. They need to play, they need to get better, and gel together. No "playing it cautious" with 6 weeks to go. We play, and ball out as much as we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Anyone who wants to sit Williams or any other player, to "play it safe" needs their head examined. This is football. It's a physical sport. Their bodies need some level of physicality, and it could be a worse move to bench one of these guys than to play them and risk injury. Their bodies need to be ready for the physicality of the sport, and making them rusty isn't the way to do it. They need to play, they need to get better, and gel together. No "playing it cautious" with 6 weeks to go. We play, and ball out as much as we can. Because we want our top 5 franchise possibly tear something in meaningless games and miss the offseason work outs with the team rehabbing? Great idea. Trent is much more important not getting hurt than Rex getting put on his butt a few extra times a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Shew, I thought it was gonna be bad. Trent did a GREAT job against D Ware last night. Ware's only sack came when he switched sides and went against Jamal. Glad Trent's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 sit him and rehab him...this season is over and no reason to re injure the knee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfriedenthal Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Because we want our top 5 franchise possibly tear something in meaningless games and miss the offseason work outs with the team rehabbing? Great idea. Trent is much more important not getting hurt than Rex getting put on his butt a few extra times a day. I think you're missing the point.... Inactivity or lack of physical contact hurts a player too, when they step back into action. Trent still needs value experience and comradery with his teammates. He needs to gel with the people around him. With all the change, he needs to be in tough situations, and be able to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I don't think we need to rush him back anymore. Might as well let him sit and heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 That's fantastic news, but I'd still IR him to let him fully recover and get totally healthy for next year.Plus it would hopefully give us a chance to look at Willie Smith out there in live action play to see what we have in him going forward. Hail. No. You do not IR him. You don't know how the League is going to handle the test positive issue. If its with suspensions, then the suspension would take place at the start of next season. You shut him down, but keep him on the active roster so the suspension takes place now. It allows you to let him heal, evaluate someone else, & have eligible for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 No. You do not IR him.You don't know how the League is going to handle the test positive issue. If its with suspensions, then the suspension would take place at the start of next season. You shut him down, but keep him on the active roster so the suspension takes place now. It allows you to let him heal, evaluate someone else, & have eligible for next season. I thought the league could not suspend players for activities which took place during the lockout - apart from some specific players named in a side letter to the CBA? http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/patriots/12005469757919/ap-source-8-nfl-players-facing-suspension/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 No. You do not IR him.You don't know how the League is going to handle the test positive issue. If its with suspensions, then the suspension would take place at the start of next season. You shut him down, but keep him on the active roster so the suspension takes place now. It allows you to let him heal, evaluate someone else, & have eligible for next season. So he needs to be active to serve any possible suspension? I didn't realise that. I kinda' figured inactive guys could skirt around that and still serve their ban. Thanks man. Always learning about this game. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 No. You do not IR him.You don't know how the League is going to handle the test positive issue. If its with suspensions, then the suspension would take place at the start of next season. You shut him down, but keep him on the active roster so the suspension takes place now. It allows you to let him heal, evaluate someone else, & have eligible for next season. If we are hearing about this stuff, is it safe to assume that this may not be a first time deal with those that are involved? Maybe there was some non public stuff in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dro89 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I think the "I don't care what punishment they receive" thing is a kind of crap way to look at it. I don't want anyone to get hurt or beat up, especially guys who actually want to be on our football team and are playing their butts off. Whether they're here next year or not is a moot point; they're still our players, and you protect your players to the best of your abilities.And I agree Willie looked good in preseason, but we have to keep things in perspective; that was preseason, and he wasn't going up against the best talent. And I say this all the time, but even though things are bad, we are still trying to win, and we are still trying to keep Grossman and Beck healthy. soooo basically your picking the health of 2 30 year old QBs who one if not both won't be here next year.. over a young franchise LT who will be here from here on out.. if anything its a sprain.. but its still going to be tender in that area.. now its weaker and subject to further injury.. you'd be a idiot to send him out there when you have a rookie you could see what you can get out of.. don't go mortgaging our future to be competitive.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21Knock_U_Out Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 This guys starting to be a little injury prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCchillin89 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 This guys starting to be a little injury prone DId you see the injury? It looked really bad at first, as he got his leg pinned during a special teams pile up. I wouldn't say this latest injury has anything to do with William's proclivity for being injury prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 As Grossman and Beck won't be here next year in all probability, I'm impervious as to what punishment they receive, shrugs. I actually think we may of rushed Trent back too soon from his last injury purely because he is our best linemen out of desperation. Now we have jack to play for, I see no need to risk it further personally.The Smith thing, speaking for myself, was born out of him looking real good pre-season. He, at least to the naked eye, appears to have a rare combination of size and great athletic ability which could work wonders in the ZBS scheme. (Something I don't like but we're stuck with.). I'd just like to see what we have and if he is worth keeping going forward these last 6, dead games. Hail. Well, if he recovers in a couple weeks, I'm fine with giving him a couple games at the end of the year. He has improved, but it's not like he couldn't use the reps. The more mistakes he makes in 2011, hopefully the fewer he'll make in 2012 when things might begin to matter more. I would agree with shelving him for the season if playing him risks further injury. But I don't think you start taking your starters out to avoid catastrophic injury...if that's the case, why would we play any single player we might count on next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Great news. He looked pretty good yesterday against Ware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I would agree with shelving him for the season if playing him risks further injury. But I don't think you start taking your starters out to avoid catastrophic injury...if that's the case, why would we play any single player we might count on next season? Neither would I man. IR'ing him was more born out of the fact I have a feeling we rushed him back too soon from his last injury down to the mere fact he's our only real quality lineman and we were desperate. But TK put a completely new slant on that idea above I honestly didn't know as regards a possible suspension that would be carried over if he wasn't on the active roster, so just sitting him would be better until he is 100%. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I think it's funny how fans look at the players as nothing more than tools to be used and discarded, then expect the coaches to do the same all the while staying in command of the locker room and having players fight for them and each other, lol. "Hey Rex, we don't really give a crap how beat up you get since you probably won't be here next year, so don't actually think we're trying to put together a solid Oline to protect you... now go out there and play your heart out!" "Hey Trent, we're just going to sit you the rest of the season since we want you nice and fresh for our franchise QB next season. Oh, and if any of you other ****s on the Oline get hurt don't expect to get the same treatment, damnit, you're going back in. Now go out there and play your hearts out!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 "Hey Trent, we're just going to sit you the rest of the season since we want you nice and fresh for our franchise QB next season. Oh, and if any of you other ****s on the Oline get hurt don't expect to get the same treatment, damnit, you're going back in. Now go out there and play your hearts out!" Since Trent is the ONLY good Lineman we have why risk him getting something catastrophic like an Achilles or Acl tear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Since Trent is the ONLY good Lineman we have why risk him getting something catastrophic like an Achilles or Acl tear? Because it sends a message to everyone else on the team that your a quitter, you play favorites and you don't believe in any of them to be worth a damn so why would they actually work to improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Because it sends a message to everyone else on the team that your a quitter, you play favorites and you don't believe in any of them to be worth a damn so why would they actually work to improve? Why is it quiting? This season is lost. Why risk next year for some meaningless games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Why is it quiting? This season is lost. Why risk next year for some meaningless games? Ok, then we should bench everyone and forfeit the rest of the season. We can figure out who's good and who's not in practice exclusively. No need to see players when the lights are on and in pressure situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Because it sends a message to everyone else on the team that your a quitter, you play favorites and you don't believe in any of them to be worth a damn so why would they actually work to improve? Hypothetical. You've qualified for the playoff's with, oh, let's say 2 games to spare. You then sit your key guys (or mix and match to keep some game sharp) to make sure your 100% the first post-season game. Are you sending out the same message? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hypothetical.You've qualified for the playoff's with, oh, let's say 2 games to spare. You then sit your key guys (or mix and match to keep some game sharp) to make sure your 100% the first post-season game. Are you sending out the same message? Hail. You made the playoffs, your team is actually good and doesn't need much improvement. Especially if you clinched homefield. So, no, it's definitely not the same and that was a poor comparison. That being said, coaches do debate this issue a lot it seems. It's definitely not an easy choice even when your team has proven to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hypothetical.You've qualified for the playoff's with, oh, let's say 2 games to spare. You then sit your key guys (or mix and match to keep some game sharp) to make sure your 100% the first post-season game. Are you sending out the same message? Hail. Your hypothetical is a moot point. You're in the playoffs. Circumstances are different. We're not in the playoffs. No where close. If you're in the playoffs, it means you're winning and you want to continue to win in the VERY, VERY near future. Under those circumstances, you send the message that you want to give your team the best possible chance to go to the Super Bowl. Your players can understand that, even though most of those guys would still prefer to play. When you're losing and you start essentially scratching healthy players (and Trent's going to be healthy in a couple weeks), it sends the exact opposite message; pack it in. We're not planning on winning. We're just evaluating guys now. This guy gets special treatment because he's better than you; he can sit on the sidelines, a healthy scratch, and you have to work your butt off every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Disagree, I'm not an advocate for sitting players (Williams in this thread is an exception as I don't think he's 100% healthy from the last injury as I've already expressed); but it's the same priciple. If you've made the playoffs and your a lesser player happy to have your chances boosted by your better guys sitting to be ready for the playoffs; by the same token if your season's dead, and you've one eye on the future; your not gona' be too perturbed if your better players are held back through meaningless late games. Your still gona' go out and play hard (hopefully, being as your a pro or you've got a problem); but if your all sold within the organization on what your building to, and the coach chose to hold guys back; it wouldn't send out any bad message of defeatism/ favouritism whatever. Of course both POV are entirely hypothetical as none of us are in that locker room to know exactly who's been sold on what. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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