jbooma Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 How many drops did Garnder have tonight?? I know Coles had some too, but he makes up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Don't know why this is for me, exactly, but Gardner had one drop. Coles had three (or was it four?) drops. McCants had one (or was it two?) drop. In all this was not a shining moment for our receivers. Gardner had one touchdown called back. And Gardner did help break up an INT -- though the ball was coming lose early. If this is the game you want to focus on Gardner's one drop as validation of the idiocy you people have about him as a player, then, well, that is the absolute perfect demonstration of that idiocy, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Ramsey threw a pick and only completed 53% of his passes. He sucks. We should yank him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 22, 2003 Author Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by Art Don't know why this is for me, exactly, but Gardner had one drop. Coles had three (or was it four?) drops. McCants had one (or was it two?) drop. In all this was not a shining moment for our receivers. Gardner had one touchdown called back. And Gardner did help break up an INT -- though the ball was coming lose early. If this is the game you want to focus on Gardner's one drop as validation of the idiocy you people have about him as a player, then, well, that is the absolute perfect demonstration of that idiocy, isn't it? My bad I thought you were the guy who was saying Gardner was the king, could have been someone else. I heard he had more but maybe that information was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 As is normal with Gardner, his drops are HIGHLY exaggerated. People who don't know football and don't understand or watch the game always inflate the number to sooth themselves in their misbegotten belief that Gardner hasn't been a pretty good football player with a continuing upside. Gardner had one drop. A TERRIBLE one. He had a touchdown and another called back. He was used repeatedly to stretch the defense and while not complete, he did break up an INT and he also opened up the middle areas for other guys. I'd hardly say this was a shining moment for our receiving staff with the drops and penalties. I do not think Gardner was the king. I think he's a player who hasn't gotten to the peak of his abilities yet and the only real knock against him to this point in his career has been from people who have decided to create false negatives with which to bash him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey T Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 WTF are you smokin'/drinkin' Redman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by Joey T WTF are you smokin'/drinkin' Redman? Joey, Turn on your sarcasm detector QUICK and say sorry . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Not to repeat what you already said Jbooma, but Coles had TWO drops and no TD's. Gardner had a TD when we need it BAD...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 There's a difference between annointing a WR as the next Jerry Rice and simply noting that a guy is and has been doing exactly what he should reasonably be doing up to this time (2 seasons + 3 games) in his career. He's never going to be a speed burner like Coles is, so he's supposed to be a good possession target and and a large end zone threat. He's doing that, and he's getting better. Remember, he's gone from being (arguably) the #1 WR as a rooking opposite Westbroken in Schottenheimer's (offensive?) offense, to being the #1 (or #2, or #3, or #4) WR in Spurrier's first-year offensive merry-go-round, to the established #2 WR opposite Coles with the first strong-armed QB he's ever had throwing to him in Ramsey. Again, he's doing exactly what we expected him to do when we drafted him #16 overall two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 BG, Coles had at least three drops. Two in the first quarter and one late. I thought he had a fourth but maybe that was someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by Joey T WTF are you smokin'/drinkin' Redman? Today it was Red Hook and Nostalgias, but that's not what was typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Gardner's performance has been solid as a #2 receiver. He and McCants need to learn to keep their emotions in check and not allow defenders to get in their heads and bring on needless penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RySkins Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Gardner is really frustrating because he gets open a lot and makes many wonderful catches in traffic, but he just seems to have one easy drop -- usually about 15 yards downfield -- and one penalty per game. Once he flushes the immaturity and/or temporary lapses in focus out of his system, he will be a dynamic player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 On the penalty to McCants. Was it reasonable that the defender kept pushing him and never let up three four yards out of bounds? If you watch the replay, I think you could make a case for personal foul against the Giant defender. The call against McCants was weak. I don't know what he said, but it wasn't long and there was no threat of violence on his part. It looked like he was on his way to the huddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxskins Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Gardner didn't cost us the game hes a great reciever and can only get better. If you really wanna pick on someone pick on Trotter he cost us a TD by not using his head and getting that personal foul called to keep the G-men's drive alive in which they scored and went up 21 - 3. nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yank Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by Burgold On the penalty to McCants. Was it reasonable that the defender kept pushing him and never let up three four yards out of bounds? If you watch the replay, I think you could make a case for personal foul against the Giant defender. The call against McCants was weak. I don't know what he said, but it wasn't long and there was no threat of violence on his part. It looked like he was on his way to the huddle. McCants threw the ball at the defender after he was pushed way out of bounds. Refs will make that call every time. Dumb ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougWilliams Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I thougt for a second that the McCant's penalty was on the Giants for hitting out of bounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Maybe D-Mac should've fallen down? HE probably would've goten the falg for the hit out of bounds. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 come on now, did you see the ref who was signaling fumble after every incomplete pass by Ramsey? There was one on a ball forty yards down the field and one of the Refs was screaming that it slipped out of Pat's hand and was a fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 on the gardner drop thing, yes, he dropped a pass. WRs drop passes...Coles performance yesterday show that. Gardner has done fine in his role as the #2 guy. Like someone else pointed out, he scored twice (one was called back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by Burgold On the penalty to McCants. Was it reasonable that the defender kept pushing him and never let up three four yards out of bounds? If you watch the replay, I think you could make a case for personal foul against the Giant defender. The call against McCants was weak. I don't know what he said, but it wasn't long and there was no threat of violence on his part. It looked like he was on his way to the huddle. OK...maybe his hit out-of-bounds was a bit late. That's not McCants' decision. That gives him no right to throw the football at the DB after the play. Friggin' pure stupidity on McCants' part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Art, Gardner had 2 drops. Both hit him in the hands. One on a hook pattern where he was absolutely wide open. Another when he was running a crossing routeat full steam... had his guy beat clean... hit him in the hands and dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 DH, I'm pretty sure he had one drop. I'll review the tape . If it was two, then it was two. The drop on the crossing route is the one I recall clearly. I don't think he had a second drop on a hook pattern where he was wide open, but, after rewatching things I'll know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I remember the hook pattern, not a crossing pattern so I guess he did have two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kornheiser Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Gardner has had a drop, interception, or penalty every game so far even though he's been here the longest of all the WR (and don't forget the misrun pattern). This is Coles first. Dispite it being his first 3 games with a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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