Henry Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I think the point of the thread was that while the loss might sting NOW, it won't sting as bad LATER when he have a better draft pick. I agree with that sentiment. While I don't disagree with that, I do disagree with this, from the OP: its better this way today. ---------- Post added November-22nd-2011 at 02:52 PM ---------- That picking high increases the odds of success regardless of how deep the draft is? Yes, I agree. If it doesn't turn out as deep as we thought, then we are in great position, if it does...well we're still in great position. So do you all think we should just keep going 3-13 or so until we find the QB we're looking for then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Levi Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 As of right now, we are nothing because that aspect of our team is dreadful!!! . Actually, we are nothing because we have a poor line with no depth, lack good players at several key positions on both side of the ball, and have been mortgaging our future by trading away high draft picks for a decade. But you know that already, right? It's been pointed out in all 36 "lose for draft pick" threads and will be posted in all future ones. If we keep NOT trading our draft picks, things will get better, regardless of whether we end the season with 3 wins or 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 While I don't disagree with that, I do disagree with this, from the OP:---------- Post added November-22nd-2011 at 02:52 PM ---------- So do you all think we should just keep going 3-13 or so until we find the QB we're looking for then? No, I think the game is played on the field and you can't control it, nor would any coach or GM purposely "tank" the year for that reason. If the Skins win 3 games for a few years in a row, then I would think there would be an obvious "direction" that we could see the team going in towards rebuilding with differernt positions, not just QB. I do think you try to get your QB at the top of the draft if you can. Just gives you a better chance is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 While I don't disagree with that, I do disagree with this, from the OP:---------- Post added November-22nd-2011 at 02:52 PM ---------- So do you all think we should just keep going 3-13 or so until we find the QB we're looking for then? That's the pattern I'm starting to notice not just this year, but the last couple years. It's a like a good chunk of our fanbase wants to lose as many games as possible once we start getting close to being eliminated from playoff contention. It's like some of these "fans" want us to stay banged up and and unable to compete so we can get blown out the rest of the season. Just another "Suck for Luck" Fan vs "any-given-Sunday" Fan thread. Crystal Ball Syndrome vs present gratification. Again, it's too much of a gamble to lose as many games as possible, building no momentum into next season to draft a QB that is just as much a 50/50 bust chance as any other pick in the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 That's the pattern I'm starting to notice not just this year, but the last couple years. It's a like a good chunk of our fanbase wants to lose as many games as possible once we start getting close to being eliminated from playoff contention.It's like some of these "fans" want us to stay banged up and and unable to compete so we can get blown out the rest of the season. Just another "Suck for Luck" Fan vs "any-given-Sunday" Fan thread. Crystal Ball Syndrome vs present gratification. Again, it's too much of a gamble to lose as many games as possible, building no momentum into next season to draft a QB that is just as much a 50/50 bust chance as any other pick in the draft... I agree, I see this poster is young but maybe the exception to the point he was making. Maybe it's the video game culture of younger fans who just want to hit "reset" and see what next year has to offer. I don't know of any of my friends who are Skins fans that want us to lose a game...regardless if we were 0-15 and the 1st pick of the draft is riding on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's too early for a thread like this.....:mad: The Dallas losses always sting. I would rather be 4-12 I hear you, but you're wrong. There have been seasons where we needed to win out to get to the playoffs and we did it! This year we need to lose out to get to the draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's right here on this board:http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?359025-Homer-Are-the-Redskins-better-with-Mike-Shanahan And we're only halfway to your coveted 13 losses. How does that thread relate? Shanny is more likely to botch a higher pick versus a lower one or he will be canned if they have a bad record or is something else am missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 So do you all think we should just keep going 3-13 or so until we find the QB we're looking for then? Your straw man aside, I think we should do whatever gets us closer to being a title contender, and really don't give a flying fart about whether we win 5 games or 3 in a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWil Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I look at a team like Cincinnati and absolutely believe that could be us competing for division titles and playoff berths after 2-3 more solid drafts and "smart" Free Agent pickups. The higher your picks, the better opportunities you have to select the best players in rd 1, rd 2, rd 3, and so forth. I know the gamers out there want to win games and beat Dallas. But beating Dallas THIS year is an empty victory. I'd much rather beat Dallas, and continue BEATING Dallas with a team built around talent and a young FRANCHISE QB at the helm. Hell, we won't be anybody if the offense can't score TOUCHDOWNS in this league. Therefore the overhaul should center around Barkley/Griffin III/Jones behind center, then work on the O-Line via draft and FA, and perhaps picking up a FA WR such as Dwayne Bowe alongside Moss with Fred Davis in the fold while signing a veteran stop gap QB. We'll win games in the future.....however this season we need to finish 3-13 no more than 4-12 and get that FRANCHISE QB we haven't had since Joe Theisman!! (Yes, the Joe Theisman we last saw in the 19 freaking 80's). I'm just sick of watching other franchises draft Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco while every year we play hot potato with the most important position on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 So do you all think we should just keep going 3-13 or so until we find the QB we're looking for then? That's a bit over the top, but I see your point. Last year, I wanted to show something, win some games. Draft position didn't b/c we had so many holes in so many places we could get good talent and they were a need. This year is different. The stars are seeming aligning: the potentially deepest part of the draft is also the most important position and our greatest need. Again -- I am not advocating losses -- but if/when we do lose, I am not going to rant and rave and get all Chad Dukesian. I don't want to be the 07 Dolphins -- a fluke 11-5 team that has been crap since. I want long term. If taking it in the dinger this year gets that. So be it. Well MAYBE I'll root for a loss in Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 How does that thread relate? Shanny is more likely to botch a higher pick versus a lower one or he will be canned if they have a bad record or is something else am missing? Yes and yes? Or maybe ... All I know is halfway through this 12-game losing streak some of you are rooting for, people are starting to question Shanahan. Reasonable people, not crazies. And a 12 game streak would be the longest in Redskin history. By a lot. And I don't think it's something most of the Burgundy and Gold World will just shrug off with an 'oh well at least we got a nice pick.' It's a big deal. It will be treated like a big deal. That's a bit over the top, but I see your point. Last year, I wanted to show something, win some games. Draft position didn't b/c we had so many holes in so many places we could get good talent and they were a need. This year is different. The stars are seeming aligning: the potentially deepest part of the draft is also the most important position and our greatest need. I'm glad someone got my point. Let me expand on that by saying that if, as you say, the stars are aligning for us with a nice deep QB class in the draft ... wouldn't your suggestion that those QBs may stay in school be a direct counter to that line of thinking? That's my other point. Things happen. Often a lot of things do between the middle of a season and the offseason. Rooting for a loss in mid-season in order to pick someone in April doesn't make sense to me because of that big gap. Too many variables and too much unknown to justify turning on the team like that. Again -- I am not advocating losses -- but if/when we do lose, I am not going to rant and rave and get all Chad Dukesian. I don't want to be the 07 Dolphins -- a fluke 11-5 team that has been crap since. I want long term. If taking it in the dinger this year gets that. So be it. That's cool. I'm fine with the consolation prize line of thinking after a loss. I do that. I'm just not going to jump for joy because of it. Well MAYBE I'll root for a loss in Seattle Well, at least it's not Dallas, so we're making progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 All I know is halfway through this 12-game losing streak some of you are rooting for, people are starting to question Shanahan. Reasonable people, not crazies. And a 12 game streak would be the longest in Redskin history. By a lot. And I don't think it's something most of the Burgundy and Gold World will just shrug off with an 'oh well at least we got a nice pick.'It's a big deal. It will be treated like a big deal. It is, and would be extremely embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as our franchise has been, in general, since 1992. I'm glad someone got my point. I'm not going to lie -- I am pretty ****ing smart...and good-looking. But also humble, very humble, overwhelmingly so... Let me expand on that by saying that if, as you say, the stars are aligning for us with a nice deep QB class in the draft ... wouldn't your suggestion that those QBs may stay in school be a direct counter to that line of thinking?That's my other point. Things happen. Often a lot of things do between the middle of a season and the offseason. Rooting for a loss in mid-season in order to pick someone in April doesn't make sense to me because of that big gap. Too many variables and too much unknown to justify turning on the team like that. That's cool. I'm fine with the consolation prize line of thinking after a loss. I do that. I'm just not going to jump for joy because of it. You'll jump and you'll like it At this point, wins are fun, but ultimately meaningless. I would rather lose and see Roy Helu go something like 20 for 120, Niles Paul have a solid game, Chris Neild continue to show he's solid in the DL rotation, or Perry Riley continue to be all around the football than win on the backs of Donte Stallworth and other roster filler and stop gaps that won't be here in 2 years. And yes, a lot can happen between now and April: Jones or Barkley could go back to school, Griffin already is, I believe. Luck could have a career-ender. However, my gut feeling is the worst that will happen is Jones alone will return to school (USC is sanctioned out the wazoo and not much reason for Barkley to return and Luck will be the #1 overall) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Riggo, you are being unsettlingly reasonable so I will close with this one last thought: We are going to win another game or two. I am not saying this in a 'rah rah' way. It's just an opinion based on decades of watching football. One game some time this year the planets will just align correctly ... we'll play our best at the same time some other team plays it's worst. Something flukey will happen. Whatever. But we'll get another win or two. Last year it was the Jaguars game. The year before that it was the Raiders game. The year before that it was the Seahawks and Eagles ... The Colts will win a game too. So will the Rams and Panthers ... and maybe even the Vikings. Huge losing streaks are very very rare in this league. I seriously doubt we will lose 12 straight. To all of you rooting for losses, don't expect us to lose the rest, and don't worry if we don't. It ultimately won't matter. The teams we are racing to the bottom against won't all lose out either. So given that, I was thinking it would have been nice if that win was against the Cowboys. It kinda sucks that it wasn't. And with that, I'm out. Here's hoping that pick is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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