Slateman Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 In the wake of Hankerson being placed on the IR, I am starting to wonder about the Skins medical and training staff. Phillip Daniels was on WJFK today saying that when he was Redskin, the training facilities were antiquated and outdated. Surprising to me, considering how much money gets poured in to the team. Chris Cooley continued to have knee issues until, finally, he shut it down after breaking his hand. But I have to wonder, what took so long when he was, obviously, in such pain and injured. Why did it reach the point where people are talking about microfracture surgery. Malcolm Kelly spent two years basically on IR and still couldn't get healthy. I think we could also make a case that Laron Landry's lack of decent play is a result of a poorly rehabilitated achilles. Mike Shannahan is saying he's never seen this before, but the Redskins seem to always have issues with injuries. So, I'm asking, do the Redskins need to bring in another training/medical staff? Is there a need to upgrade the facilities? Or are all these injuries a result of coincidence and bad luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Eh. Sometimes life just sucks and there's no one to blame. It's frustrating, but there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 This is another area, where for 1/5th of Albert Haynesworth's signing bonus the team could have the best training staff in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I miss Bubba Tyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 It's a good point, I heard the interview too. According to Phil, the Redskins do not have a massage therapist on staff. Therefore, players have to take their own initiative and hire a message therapist on Tuesdays. Some of the young guys ignore regular messages while the vets realize the importance of loosening the muscles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 No amount of money or fancy equipment stops a guy having an injury like happened to Hank, or Jenkins, or Moss, or Hightower or ....well you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 It's bad luck. We're just like the 2010 Packers. Well, except for the winning and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I think it is a combination between a good training staff, a good facility, and some bad breaks. A team might get ram-sacked by injuries every now and then, but it seems like the last 4-5 years that we can't keep our team healthy at all. It is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 It's a good point, I heard the interview too. According to Phil, the Redskins do not have a massage therapist on staff. Therefore, players have to take their own initiative and hire a message therapist on Tuesdays. Some of the young guys ignore regular messages while the vets realize the importance of loosening the muscles. Just goes to show that we have more rebuilding to do than just on the field. It has to be said that Mike and Bruce have been trying to move Redskins Park to get some much better facilities. Just seems like no other coach ever asked or attempted it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Why won't Daniel Synder hire former players like Big Phil, Griffin and Springs to reevaluate the entire organization from a players perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Phillip Daniels was on WJFK today saying that when he was Redskin, the training facilities were antiquated and outdated. Surprising to me, considering how much money gets poured in to the team. ? Yeah but what does this mean? I'm sure their training facilities are 10 times better than any American Family fitness center, Gold gym, etc. I guess I would chalk these injuries up to bad luck and the lockout. The Giants recently moved into a state of the art training facility and they always have frequent injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 We don't have an indoor practice facility and now I hear that the medical/training staff is substandard? WTF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Carlos Rogers is a great example. He has five picks this year. Why? Because someone had the foresight to make him go to an eye doctor. Now he is having a career year with his new contact lenses. Adam Archuleta's back. No one on the staff noticed that he was having back issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Carlos Rogers is a great example. He has five picks this year. Why? Because someone had the foresight to make him go to an eye doctor. Now he is having a career year with his new contact lenses.Adam Archuleta's back. No one on the staff noticed that he was having back issues? well Rogers wanted the redskins to pay for it and they never said yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryGreenMonk Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 maybe we just like to work out our guys like Rocky.. build some character. we should just send them to russia to carry logs through 4 ft snow drifts. They'll come back rock solid. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchwood Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I think that the training staff has gone way down hill ever since Bubba Tyer retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 well Rogers wanted the redskins to pay for it and they never said yes Wait- serious question, 'Los asked to go to the eye doctor but the Redskins wouldn't pay for it? They wouldn't pay $200 bucks for some contacts so the guy could help out more on defense? Why am I just hearing about this? If this is true, this is crazy. It's not like it was a 200K procedure he was asking for. Geesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Wait- serious question, 'Los asked to go to the eye doctor but the Redskins wouldn't pay for it? They wouldn't pay $200 bucks for some contacts so the guy could help out more on defense? Why am I just hearing about this? If this is true, this is crazy. It's not like it was a 200K procedure he was asking for. Geesh! That's bull. Everything I've heard indicates that teammates, coaches and the like kept pushing for 'Los to do it, but 'Los wanted to downplay it and treat it like it wasn't a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 That's bull. Everything I've heard indicates that teammates, coaches and the like kept pushing for 'Los to do it, but 'Los wanted to downplay it and treat it like it wasn't a big deal. Ahhhhhh, well that makes a lot more sense than "the Redskins wouldn't pay for it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchwood Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Wait- serious question, 'Los asked to go to the eye doctor but the Redskins wouldn't pay for it? They wouldn't pay $200 bucks for some contacts so the guy could help out more on defense? Why am I just hearing about this? If this is true, this is crazy. It's not like it was a 200K procedure he was asking for. Geesh! They were paying him millions. Couldn't he afford $200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 The Redskins seem to always have issues with injuries not because they sustain more injuries than most other teams but because they are thinner across the board and more poorly constructed than most other teams. Big difference. Does it affect us more? Absolutely. Do we typically have more injuries than other teams? No, not at all. It goes back to the problem that has been the problem for so long but people have always tried to blame on something else. Talent. We have none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I miss Bubba Tyer. I think that the training staff has gone way down hill ever since Bubba Tyer retired. Tyer retired after the 2008 season and we were having plenty of problems his last few years here, too. Do I need to remind you guys of the recurring injuries to Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Shawn Springs, LaVar Arrington, Marcus Washington, etc. from 2005-2008? The Redskins seem to always have issues with injuries not because they sustain more injuries than most other teams but because they are thinner across the board and more poorly constructed than most other teams. Big difference. Does it affect us more? Absolutely. Do we typically have more injuries than other teams? No, not at all. It goes back to the problem that has been the problem for so long but people have always tried to blame on something else. Talent. We have none. Also this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 They were paying him millions. Couldn't he afford $200? Well, wasn't he living in JC's basement or something? But seriously, doesn't the team pay for any medical treatments that are needed to help players improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yes they do. How about you make him do it? You tell him he's going to do it or be fined by the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchwood Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Well, wasn't he living in JC's basement or something?But seriously, doesn't the team pay for any medical treatments that are needed to help players improve? I think that this would technically would be considered elective. Consider this. You work in an office and you have insurance (hypothetical, I don't know where you work or if you have insurance). But the insurance does not cover something that would make you better at your job. Do you expect your company to pay for it? I don't. If I want it to be more successful, than it is my choice to get the elective procedure or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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