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HigSkin

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Unfortunately, I don't believe we'll have a shot at Barkley, just like not getting Luck. However, for those of you with Jones on your list, I trust Wes Bunting analysis on players (from this past weekend's film) and I'd pass.

How about we "play like Jill for Tannehill" or "lay the turd for RG the third" (this one from another poster or something along those lines)

Landry Jones: Oklahoma

- He doesn’t like pressure. Has a tendency to get happy feet and drift from the pocket when he feels any kind of rush.

- Isn’t a great athlete inside the pocket, struggles buying himself time.

- Has done a much better job this year finding secondary options across the entire field.

- Exhibits good footwork when asked to reset his feet and deliver the throw to a secondary target, displaying good accuracy in the process.

Ryan Tannehill: Texas A&M

- Can make all the throws with ease. Spun a pretty deep out from the opposite hash early in the game where the throw was on time and in a tight window.

- Does have his struggles with touch on bucket throws.

- Will still throw blind into coverage at times when trying to find secondary options.

- Doesn’t always decipher the defense well.

- Generates excellent torque and “plus” arm strength on the move when throwing down the field.

- In order to come up with a grade on Tannehill, you CAN NOT judge him based solely on where he is at now as a quarterback prospect, but instead look at where he can be. Remember, he’s only started 15 games at QB at the college level, the equivalent to about one season. He’s a bright kid and a hard worker with an impressive skill set who has the ability to be a very good starting NFL quarterback with some more time and development.

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sportjunkie07

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cant say i agree with you OP. and if you have the first pick, you might as well trade it and still get Barkley with your next pick.

if we finish really low and depending on draft positions and who Shanny wants, id love a trade back a little and still pick up RG3 or Tannehill. i wouldnt have an issue with Barkley though. i really think that any of the QB's below (even Moore) would perform better than Beck has.

in order of the my preference, id take:

Luck

Barkley

RG3

Tannehill

Jones

Weeden

Foles

Cousins

Moore

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Truant

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I'd be pumped if we got Nick Foles in the late first or early second. He is not the reason for U of A's struggles. They collapsed under a brutal early schedule (see below).

Currently he has 3260 yards, 22 TDs and 10 INTs. He plays in a spread offense, so his numbers are likely a bit inflated, but his supporting cast does not give him a massive advantage over some of the other QBs this year.

Career stats

8994 yards

61 TDs

29 INTs

Here is U of A's schedule so far:

Northern Arizona - joke

@ Oklahoma State - legit

Stanford - legit

Oregon - legit

@ USC - legit

Season was over at this point. Stoops was about to get fired. Brutal schedule. Foles had a 14/2 TD to INT ratio. Let's throw out NAU and it's 9/2 TD to INT.

I'm an ASU fan, so I hate U of A... but I think Foles will be a good NFL QB. If he plays in the right system. He has some mobility, I'd say like Beck, but a great arm and fantastic accuracy (at times). He needs work. But I think his system, while with inflated numbers, held him back because his downfield accuracy is pretty good when he gets to use it.

(Note: Foles started cold, but I wanted to choose a clip with his pros and cons. Don't see the first minute or two and think you've seen all there is to see.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayw5EhNV2JM

Again, I don't like him OVER some of those top QBs, but for a late first or early second, I think he could have tremendous value for us as a pick and success as a franchise QB.

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mad4comp

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cant say i agree with you OP. and if you have the first pick, you might as well trade it and still get Barkley with your next pick.

if we finish really low and depending on draft positions and who Shanny wants, id love a trade back a little and still pick up RG3 or Tannehill. i wouldnt have an issue with Barkley though. i really think that any of the QB's below (even Moore) would perform better than Beck has.

in order of the my preference, id take:

Luck

Barkley

RG3

Tannehill

Jones

Weeden

Foles

Cousins

Moore

Weeden is like 80 years old. Pass.

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mistertim

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Weeden is like 80 years old. Pass.

Well, to be fair, its not like sportjunkie07 had him at the top of his list. I agree about his age, though. Weeden has a really nice skillset but the age thing is definitely going to drive teams away. I doubt many teams would want to take a guy who, if/when, he really starts to "get it" and shine in the NFL he is already 31 years old. I'm guessing he'll be a mid rounder. If you take him then, you aren't banking your franchise on him but if he ends up being really good you'll have a few years of high quality NFL QB play. Or, even if he just ends up just being "ok" you could have yourself a decent backup.

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CrypticVillain

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:ols: at the people bagging on RG3. I don't know much about Andre Ware to compare him on Griffin, but I am pretty sure somebody who can will laugh at that. On top of that, some people still see that Griffin is black and wants to label him a "scrambler" . (Nobody on here has said that, but I heard plenty people, even black people, admit it)

The fact is this, the dude can ball. Even at Baylor, where the talent around him and coaching isn't that great, he still manages to light up a stat sheet. However it goes deeper than the stats. His decision making has improved, his accuracy is phenomenal. Looking at highlight films of him won't cut it, you need to see him play as it happens. I am not saying he is going to be Elway, Manning, Marino, etc. but he will be able to be an effective QB in a league where passing is king.

:2cents:

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GWinSkins83

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:ols: At the people bagging on rg3. I don't know much about andre ware to compare him on griffin, but i am pretty sure somebody who can will laugh at that. On top of that, some people still see that griffin is black and wants to label him a "scrambler" . (nobody on here has said that, but i heard plenty people, even black people, admit it)

the fact is this, the dude can ball. Even at baylor, where the talent around him and coaching isn't that great, he still manages to light up a stat sheet. However it goes deeper than the stats. His decision making has improved, his accuracy is phenomenal. Looking at highlight films of him won't cut it, you need to see him play as it happens. I am not saying he is going to be elway, manning, marino, etc. But he will be able to be an effective qb in a league where passing is king.

:2cents:

thank you:applause::applause::notworthy:notworthy:applause::applause:

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B&GVol24

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I'd be willing to bet that a good bit of those saying that Tannehill is a 3rd round grade probably did a quick Google search, saw he used to be a WR, and thought "Nah I'm good, he's a project."

Don't be so quick to form adverse opinions, fellas. There's a few knowledgeable draftniks around that have been very impressed with his skill set and could see him being the "real deal". Just because some mock drafts don't have him in the 1st doesn't hold much weight.

Remember last year, when some of the Mel Kipers out there had Locker going in the 2nd or 3rd? And how many people thought Ponder was worth the #12 pick? Minnesota certainly did.

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Rabsuz

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I'm incredibly nervous about taking a USC QB, they always find a way to disappoint. Palmer is the only decent one and still his career was pretty much a disappointment in the end. I mean I know I shouldn't judge a person based on their alma mater, but I sure don't want a Mark Sanchez or Matt Leinart.

If we take Barkley I wont be mad though, will just be cautiously optimistic and hope for the best.

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TotalRecall

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My take from watching the videos provided by NLC1054...

Jones - Played the best out of these games. I liked his long throws, decision-making, and footwork. A couple of throws seemed to hang a bit.

Luck - Shaky at the start with poor decisions. A lot of dropped balls that wasn't his fault. Threw late several times. Looked like he got hot in the second half with the lead.

Griffin - Had more zip in his passes than the other QBs. Doesn't have the touch on the long throws. Really reminds me of Michael Vick, if that's who you want at QB.

Barkley - Kind of streaky. Has the tendency to throw high or overthrow his receivers. Poor footwork. These will be habits hard to break. Questionable decision-making. Throws the long ball better than shorter routes.

Tannehill - Kind of streaky. Doesn't have the touch on the long throws. Played better in 2nd half. Side note: that guy, Swope, looks like a smaller, faster Chris Cooley.

The thing we don't see...except for maybe Griffin, they are complimented by a good running attack by halfbacks.

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