skinfan2k Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Problem is that the players know Rex isn't the greatest but he will help show off the young puppies in this offense. Right now John beck is stunning the growth of Paul, Hankerson and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyst21 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Wow sounds like the D is getting pretty aggravated to say the least and its spilling over to the offense as well. I dont think Gafney talks to Beck all week. He was visibly fed up during the game in my eyes. Wide open and never looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CremeBrunell Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 It was some interview Cooley did, where he stated it; I believe it was after practice, where it was mentioned, and Cooley said something to the effect of some players were wanting Beck but would support whoever was out there. I could be wrong, I have been wrong a couple of times in my life..Besides dude, no need to get all defensive about it; unless this is actually Rex... Yea considering him and Rex are pretty close I doubt he said this. If he did he prrrrrrobably wasn't one of those players asking for the Beck revolution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Let me guess, you went to Va Tech? Since Green and Springs, he's been our best CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Since Green and Springs, he's been our best CB. I think you have to throw Bailey in as well given your time frame. But I agree otherwise. Since Springs, DHall has absolutely been our best corner all things considered, and with as much time as Springs missed, I'm almost inclined to give Hall the nod over him as well. But Springs was damn near close to a shut-down corner when healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmuss1 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The only positive I'm taking from this year is that our D has improved. This team should be losing by 20 to 30 points per week, without our improved D it would be unwatchable. So, Shanny focused on D last offseason, they improved, let's just hope he can do the same for the O this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsays Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Let me guess, you went to Va Tech? Actually I didn't and I didn't even watch him in college. I just enjoy his attitude and what he brings to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I think you have to throw Bailey in as well given your time frame. But I agree otherwise. Since Springs, DHall has absolutely been our best corner all things considered, and with as much time as Springs missed, I'm almost inclined to give Hall the nod over him as well. But Springs was damn near close to a shut-down corner when healthy. Bailey was before Springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 John Beck is not a NFL caliber Qb. There were so many throws that he could have made in that game that any other qb makes and beck fails to do. You can't see it on tv. You have to watch the game live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Considering that the offense is working save for a QB who can't/won't throw the ball deep, it's not the Shanahans. :no: Throwing the ball deep is not what stalls the offense, you don't have throw deep to win in this league. Mike staked his reputation on both QBs and has fallen flat on his face. Kyle's play calling has been suspect since last season. Knowing that Beck and Grossman were our only two QBs, Kyle should be doing a better job preparing these men. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martytheman Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Beck and the offense are absolutely putrid. They've managed a whopping 5.5 ppg in their last 2 games. 5.5!!!!! That's just disgusting, you can't really stand up and defend output like that, no matter what the excuse. It's flat out pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 With a roster that rivals the New England Patriots Tecmo Super Bowl roster, who the **** cares whether they start Marc Wilson or Steve Grogan (Beck or Grossman) neither are ever taking this team anywhere. Sit back, have a few beers, laugh at the inept QB play that we all KNOW is coming, root against the Pukes/Eagles/Giants, and wait for the draft. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Throwing the ball deep is not what stalls the offense, you don't have throw deep to win in this league. Mike staked his reputation on both QBs and has fallen flat on his face. Kyle's play calling has been suspect since last season. Knowing that Beck and Grossman were our only two QBs, Kyle should be doing a better job preparing these men.:helmet: Right. It's not like he was probably just saying that so he wouldn't have to answer why he didn't draft a QB he didn't want or sign an older free agent. If you really think that he "staked his reputation" on Beck and Grossman, you're sadly mistaken. Kyle's playcalling has been fine. The receivers are getting open, the QBs can't get them the ball. Beck has shown he doesn't want to throw anything longer than five yards. You seriously can't expects Kyle to say "**** it, I'm only calling shallow crosses." At some point, you have to expect players to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Bailey was before Springs. ... and Green was before (and during) Bailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 There is no chemistry on this offense for most of the year given various injuries. It's hard for any QB to excel in that atmosphere. Skins are relying on Helu now, their supposed 3rd first-string tailback this season. Then there's the injuries at the OL and TE and WR positions. Too many people expect the QB to be a miracle worker in a matter of weeks. Eli is having a great year, but he's had five years with 16 or more INTs in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 ... and Green was before (and during) Bailey. Right. That's why I didn't feel the need to include him. I probably could have just said Springs, but I wanted to go back two CB generations. Hence Springs and Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Right. That's why I didn't feel the need to include him. I probably could have just said Springs, but I wanted to go back two CB generations. Hence Springs and Green. That makes your choice to "correct" moondog instead of actually making your thought process clear even more puzzling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 "They can’t make a play, let’s go make a play for them." The defense HAS done that, on the OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD, and the offense has come away with ZERO points. You could put Jon Beck on the 30 like college overtime and the defense might see the field 3 snaps later, 0 points later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtMonkwastheman Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 One thing to take away from this season is that our D is MUCH improved. I think with this off season we will grab Offensive players and our team will start to look like a rebuilt team. We have to remember that Shanny came in with a five year plan and I see us being there in four years with the last year picking up those missing pieces. I hate watching us lose like this just as much as anyone ( I even turned off the game before it was over sunday), but I am sitting here taking notice that we are getting some rebuilding done. I think we have to draft a QB this time and hopefully somemore fatboys. Unfortunately, we will just have to sit here and watch either QB do bad for this year and maybe even part of next year. I'm keeping my head up. Hail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 That makes your choice to "correct" moondog instead of actually making your thought process clear even more puzzling Because I didn't think of it until you commented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 That makes your choice to "correct" moondog instead of actually making your thought process clear even more puzzling My head hurts. Fortunately I think we agree that Hall has definitely played well here and earned his spot at the Pro-Bowl last year by almost single-handedly winning two games. Players have different roles on different teams and Hall is definitely our "turnover" guy. I like the way he plays and I do see him as a leader on our defense. I'm glad we have him locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 With a roster that rivals the New England Patriots Tecmo Super Bowl roster, who the **** cares whether they start Marc Wilson or Steve Grogan (Beck or Grossman) neither are ever taking this team anywhere. Sit back, have a few beers, laugh at the inept QB play that we all KNOW is coming, root against the Pukes/Eagles/Giants, and wait for the draft. :2cents: we dont even have the Irving Fryar or Hart Lee Dykes that that team had. Or Tatupu or Adams to pound it home for Grogan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabsuz Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lay off DeAngelo for god's sake, he hasn't done anything warranting hate in the last few games, Hall, Landry, Kyle, and Haslett get an almost unfair amount of hate on this board and I have no clue why. Also, Beck looked pretty competent vs Eagles, I thought it was the best QBing we had this season (says a lot), and then he was pretty decent vs Carolina so I assumed he would be a game manager run of the mill QB. BIlls game I attributed to a poor offensive line but Beck didn't help, I chalked it up to poor offensive line play, rookie WRs and a demoralized offense. This recent game was almost unbearable to watch, he would pass up open WRs and just check it down or throw to someone in a drag route that would be behind them or something. Of course he started to turn it off in garbage time when it didn't matter at all. The offense doesn't get enough flak while the defense gets all the attention on this board, we don't need to draft a ILB or CB, because thats a REAL luxury pick. We need QB, stand out RB, and a #1 WR, the affinity with o line and linebackers/secondary on this board over the years is strange to say the least, and it seems to be the same in our FO where we spend draft picks on defense every year. John Beck isn't the only thing keeping this offense from being competent, we need a lot more than a great QB, but it would certainly help. If we are going to switch back to Grossman, I would only do it if the players wanted it and were behind the move 100%. No locker room schisms at all cost. But Beck lost us a game by himself and so did Rex, I'm sure DeAngelo was mad at Grossman since he almost made Coleman break his record lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Right. It's not like he was probably just saying that so he wouldn't have to answer why he didn't draft a QB he didn't want or sign an older free agent. If you really think that he "staked his reputation" on Beck and Grossman, you're sadly mistaken. Kyle's playcalling has been fine. The receivers are getting open, the QBs can't get them the ball. Beck has shown he doesn't want to throw anything longer than five yards. You seriously can't expects Kyle to say "**** it, I'm only calling shallow crosses." At some point, you have to expect players to get it done. The post article quotes him as staking his reputation on these QBs. Mike and Kyle are the type of coaches, that are system coaches. By that I mean, they believe in their system no matter who is playing in it. Why is it that the Panthers, Bengals and some other teams have figured out how to coach to their player's strengths but our coaching staff hasn't figured that out yet? :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The post article quotes him as staking his reputation on these QBs. Mike and Kyle are the type of coaches, that are system coaches. By that I mean, they believe in their system no matter who is playing in it. Why is it that the Panthers, Bengals and some other teams have figured out how to coach to their player's strengths but our coaching staff hasn't figured that out yet? :helmet: I don't know, why don't you ask the Houston Texans how different the system they run is from the one Kubiak ran with Mike in Denver? What strengths do you think either one of our quarterbacks have at this point? Rex's strengths are short, high percentage pass play, and intermediate and deep routes over the middle. He's not a great thrower of the football outside the numbers, and his arm leaves something thing to be desired. So what did we do? Go back and look; you'll see a majority of those big plays Rex hit in those first few weeks, were pass plays that were over the middle and a lot of short, easy passes as the sticks. When he did throw outside, the balls were usually underthrown and the receivers had to adjust. So what did defenses do? They flooded the middle of the field with people. They stuck a safety in the box and more or less refused to let us run on them the way we wanted and forced Rex to beat us from the pocket. They risked giving us the outside throws to take away Rex's strength; the middle of the field. That's why Armstrong wasn't getting deep and splitting safeties. They pretty much took away Rex's options and said "beat us another way". So when Kyle had to adjust to defenses' adjustments, Rex couldn't answer the call. You're not going to put Rex on the far right hash and ask him to throw to his left on a comeback or something. He can't make that throw. The Eagles game is a perfect example of that. The two interceptions where he tried to force it into Fred Davis? Look how many jerseys are around Fred. The middle of the field is flooded with white jerseys. INTs vs. the Cardinals? Both over the middle (though one should've been P.I.). INT vs. the Cowboys? Over the middle. Two picks vs. the Rams? Both over the middle. This "we're not adjusting to our players strengths!" stuff is bullcrap. Even I towed that line, but at this point, I'm seeing guys running wide open and practically screaming "THROW ME THE FRIGGIN' BALL". At this point, how do you even evaluate what John Beck's strengths are? Fact is, we have been adjusting to our quarterbacks strengths. But defenses keep challenging us to beat us with our quarterback, and neither quarterback has been able to deliver, no matter what we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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