mrshuma Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 7th in the league for points allowed 13th in the league for yards allowed all of this without any O - the D is only a couple of players away from championship caliber - with an average to above average O it would be top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Hard to disagree with D.Hall after yesterday's game and the Buffalo game. The Offense looks pathetic under Kyle and the so called offensive guru Mike. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstarr Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I am not sure Grossman, would look any better behind this mash unit of an OL. Beck is playing without best wr, 3OL at times, starting rb, starting te. Has he played well? Hell no. If the playoffs are out of the question then why not give Beck the rest of the season to see what he has. A 10 game sample is much better then 3-4 game sample. Either way, I still love the direction of the team. The defense is coming along nicely, now use this offseason to address the O, with a bit of depth added to the Def. and come next season the skins might have something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Of course McIntosh had a bad game but that's not what we're talking about. The completion success rate other teams have when throwing at Hall has been off the charts, and in the end that's how you judge if a CB is any good. Yesterday's game was no different. If you are looking at Hall being a "shut down" man-to-man type of corner, you are looking at the wrong guy. His game has always been a guy who prefers to play off and read the backfield. That's how he gets so many interceptions. Personally, I thought the defense did a very good job yesterday. Certainly good enough to win if we had any sort of offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The remainder of the season is going to be extremely tough as im sure everyone can see already. Vets want to win evetytime they step on the field Nd its what they put their body on the line for so cant blame them for being frustrated by the rex/beck decision. Rex sucks but he gives the team a oppurtunity to win week in and week out if he gets hot. The guys like beck personally but no no confidence in him as the guy to bet the job done on sundays. Another game or too unfortuntly guys will go into preservation mode to protect the bodies for next season and we will look worse than we have the past two games. Rebuilding is A tough pill to swallow no doubt. Authentic, yeah learned yesterday rex still not 100% from being sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The remainder of the season is going to be extremely tough as im sure everyone can see already. Vets want to win evetytime they step on the field Nd its what they put their body on the line for so cant blame them for being frustrated by the rex/beck decision. Rex sucks but he gives the team a oppurtunity to win week in and week out if he gets hot. The guys like beck personally but no no confidence in him as the guy to bet the job done on sundays. Another game or too unfortuntly guys will go into preservation mode to protect the bodies for next season and we will look worse than we have the past two games. Rebuilding is A tough pill to swallow no doubt.Authentic, yeah learned yesterday rex still not 100% from being sick. so with that being said, now losing out is a real possibility. if tebow can squeeze out a few more wins in denver, and miami beats us, the only team we need to worry about is the colts. and we should all be asking santa for peyton to get back on the field for december to get them a few xmas wins!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 @Redskins Redskins.com No finger-pointing by defense at struggling offense. As DeAngelo Hall put it, offense wasn't pointing fingers when defense was 31st in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Mike Shanahan is taking the long view and the slow, steady road to rebuilding. He said as much this past week before the 49ers game, when he said that rebuilding the team would take time. Grossman is not the long-term answer and has serious defects in his game, but Beck is atrocious. Yes, Beck is playing with a M*A*S*H unit of an o-line and WR corps, but he just looks so uninspiring out there. The classic, "locker room lawyer" type, who is relentlessly positive and kisses up to the coaches, says the right things in interviews... but just doesn't have the physical skills to be a starting NFL QB. Since we're on pace for 6-10, and the hardest part of our schedule is still in front of us, I actually want Beck in there. I'd rather see us end up 3-13 and get high draft picks than see us meander to another pointless 8-8 record. Indianapolis is definitely tanking for Luck, though... can't envision any scenario where we end up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I thought his comments were very tactfile and quite frankly he right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konga2145 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 If you are looking at Hall being a "shut down" man-to-man type of corner, you are looking at the wrong guy. His game has always been a guy who prefers to play off and read the backfield. That's how he gets so many interceptions.Personally, I thought the defense did a very good job yesterday. Certainly good enough to win if we had any sort of offense. nobodys mention the turnovers thats what cost us the game and Beck was not the only one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Dhall, can't keep his mouth shut. Team captain my ass. 4 pick Grossman, no thanks. 4 pick Grossman or 10 sack Beck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superozman Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Really...well that is pretty telling about you. You are telling me, if you are doing your job, week in and week out, allowing 19.8 points a game (3rd NFC), 341.4 yds/g (5th NFC), 122.6 Rush y/g (11th NFC), 218.8 yards/game(3rd NFC), 10 FF (2nd NFC), you expect the Offense to match your intensity, excitement, playing capability in some way. But no, the offense is inept. You are going to tell me, London Fletcher/D-Hall don't go in the locker room and get in the face of anyone on the offense and tell them to step their game up? Are you naive to think that actually doesn't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Lets leave Beck in there and lose the rest of our games and hope for something good to happen in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Hard to disagree with D.Hall after yesterday's game and the Buffalo game. The Offense looks pathetic. :helmet: Removed the agenda for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I thought his comments were very tactfile and quite frankly he right. Agree completely. And I can't think of more than a few plays this year where Hall got burned or just made a terrible play. With Hall (27) and Wilson (26), we should be grateful that we have a good starting cornerback duo for the long-term, while we focus our draft and monetary resources on QB, OL, WR, ILB, offense offense offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The remainder of the season is going to be extremely tough as im sure everyone can see already. Vets want to win evetytime they step on the field Nd its what they put their body on the line for so cant blame them for being frustrated by the rex/beck decision. Rex sucks but he gives the team a oppurtunity to win week in and week out if he gets hot. The guys like beck personally but no no confidence in him as the guy to bet the job done on sundays. Another game or too unfortuntly guys will go into preservation mode to protect the bodies for next season and we will look worse than we have the past two games. Rebuilding is A tough pill to swallow no doubt.I'm not buying what you are selling, Amigo. John Beck is off to a rough start in trying to settle into the offense, but Rex, a pocket passer with limited tools would be far more difficult to protect. Rex played with the best talent we had and still looked progressively worse, game by game, as defenses caught up to his limited game.I'm sure all the players want to win, and most likely there are some with enough ego to think they know more about QBs than Mike Shanahan, like lots of posters in this forum, but as for going into "preservation mode." There is no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Agree completely. And I can't think of more than a few plays this year where Hall got burned or just made a terrible play. With Hall (27) and Wilson (26), we should be grateful that we have a good starting cornerback duo for the long-term, while we focus our draft and monetary resources on QB, OL, WR, ILB, offense offense offense I'm not all that impressed by Wilson. Personally, I think he was a downgrade over Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The guy is a headache, he keeps on running is mouth and throwing teammates under the bus. He better clean his own backyard, starting with learning how to cover deep and tackling. I hope we will get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm not buying what you are selling, Amigo. John Beck is off to a rough start in trying to settle into the offense, but Rex, a pocket passer with limited tools would be far more difficult to protect. Rex played with the best talent we had and still looked progressively worse, game by game, as defenses caught up to his limited game.I'm sure all the players want to win, and most likely there are some with enough ego to think they know more about QBs than Mike Shanahan, like lots of posters in this forum, but as for going into "preservation mode." There is no such thing. Ok bro thats cool . Im not selling rex as the cure for the offenses troubles oldfan just that he does give them a better chance to make some plays than beck. I said this since carolina and now doc and other media are catching on as well so it will steamroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Walton Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 You are going to tell me, London Fletcher/D-Hall don't go in the locker room and get in the face of anyone on the offense and tell them to step their game up? Are you naive to think that actually doesn't happen? It is called being a professional. What happens in the locker room is one thing. Hall likes to air his 'feelings' to the media. We all watched the game, we all know the O is struggling. We don't need our team captain pouring salt in the wounds. It happened after the Cowboys game and it happened again yesterday. I expect more from a team captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Of course McIntosh had a bad game but that's not what we're talking about. The completion success rate other teams have when throwing at Hall has been off the charts, and in the end that's how you judge if a CB is any good. Yesterday's game was no different. I'm having a hard time understanding your logic here. Have you not watched anything about the Giants forcing the Patriots to dink and dunk and their whole game plan being amazing? That's what DHall did yesterday. Am I trying to say the 49ers passing offense is anywhere near the Patriots? Hell no. But it stands to the same reasoning. They had 2 or 3 decent downfield pass plays all day and I think Hall may have been responsible for 1 of them. Our defense gave up 1 TD all day and it was on a short field (30 yards). They had less passing yards then us and looked about the exact same in terms of the fact they never threw the ball downfield. DHall kept receivers in front of him, did not give up any big plays and tackled receivers/forced a fumble once they caught it. That's what you ask of your secondary because it's a league that favors offense and if you can force teams to dink and dunk down the field, percentages favor the defense. It's simple, really so quit talking bull**** about a corner who is very good on our team. My friend that watched the game with me yesterday is a big 9ers fan and was as frustrated with their passing game as I was with ours because it was about a mirror image yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The guy is a headache, he keeps on running is mouth and throwing teammates under the bus. He better clean his own backyard, starting with learning how to cover deep and tackling.I hope we will get rid of him. Hall's the leading tackler in the secondary for our team. He has more than Landry, Doughty, and Atogwe. Might want to stop with the "Hall can't tackle" line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskindon2 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I understand the crowd saying we know what we have in Grossman and it's not the long-term answer. Nothing's happening this year so the smart thing to do is to see what Beck can do given a lengthy chance and hopefully he can improve so we know whether or not we can use him as a backup next year/bridge to a guy we draft. At the same time Beck is no younger than Grossman and is an unknown commodity. Grossman, right now at the same age, is outperforming Beck and regardless of what Beck has to offer, neither are the long-term answer. That seems pretty obvious. Since we know what we have in Grossman, the players support him, and he had a winning record this year, I don't see how he gets pulled. Any argument for Beck to be playing to stay on the team as a backup/bridge next year or whatever can be made for Grossman as well and he is the better quarterback on the team as well as the one the players want out there (both offensive and defensive players). Despite Beck's mobility, Grossman actually proved to be effective against the blitz this year and knows the offense. Literally, the only positive that comes from Beck playing is our draft position and I think everyone knows that including the players and I'm sure it doesn't sit well with them. I think between Doc Walker and LavarLeap it's pretty obvious how the players feel about Beck. I think Grossman has a lot of character and his confidence/attitude follows that of the rest of the team and they trust him despite his turnovers to put points on the board and be aggressive. For me, at least I was excited when our offense was the on the field because Grossman consistently made plays down the field and gave receivers the chance to make big plays. Sure he turned the ball over (as has Beck) but he also consistently made big plays in the passing game. If you want evidence of that, simply look at the points per game and Fred Davis' YPC with Grossman vs. Beck. Watching Beck out there is so frustrating because you know none of our receivers are even going to get the opportunity to make plays downfield and that makes us extremely one-dimensional. amen!! Beck sucks @$$...bring back Rex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 More fuel to the fire http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/brian-westbrook-redskins-quarterback/2011/11/07/gIQAETwivM_blog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Ok bro thats cool . Im not selling rex as the cure for the offenses troubles oldfan just that he does give them a better chance to make some plays than beck. I said this since carolina and now doc and other media are catching on as well so it will steamroll.I expect Beck's trend to be upward, the coaches can do more with his mobility as he learns, and I saw Rex's trend downward. Whatever edge Rex had over Beck in opening the season is gone. Defenses will not allow him to take those first reads and easy throws up the middle.John Beck has looked bad so far, but you can't judge a QB until you give him some help. Shanahan knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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