Warpath1041 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/deangelo-hall-on-the-redskins-offense/2011/11/06/gIQA8ofvtM_blog.html#pagebreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I have to ask. When the defense gives up points, which is ineveitable in this league, do they just say F it we lost now and stop caring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancrazyskin Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I have to ask. When the defense gives up points, which is ineveitable in this league, do they just say F it we lost now and stop caring? I believe so, I mean think about it if your out there fighting to get the ball back and all the offense does is turn right back over numerous times than yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 IIRC lavarleap was posting last week that the players HATE having Beck as the starter. That they know he can't do **** and they all want Grossman back in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Doc Walker was saying it this morning too. He is on the sideline and it's obvious the players have no confidence in Becky. The game is lost before it's even played as long as Becky starts. The players don't trust or believe in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase M Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 "And it’s been even worse recently. The offense has put up 31 points in John Beck’s three starts. That’s the worst three-game stretch for a Redskins offense since a three-game losing streak late in Jim Zorn’s first year, and it’d be worse than that if not for Sunday’s garbage-time touchdown." This makes me sick to read. **** you John Beck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdeep Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 That was the second time D. Hall called our show and I have to at least respect that even though he gets alot of grief. He respects our show because we play no favorites and will call anyone to task who is messing up... which MANY were. Its better than being paid to go on and carry the company line of we can be better and we are trying and will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The speculation as the why Beck is still in there is because perhaps Grossman isn't 100% since the pneumonia.... IDK, all i do know is that we MUST make drastic improvements to this offense during the offseason whether be it via FA and the draft. It must be killing these guys, esp on D, that they virtually have to be perfect to have a remote chance of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunClintonRun26 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Its better than being paid to go on and carry the company line of we can be better and we are trying and will get better. Are you referring to DHall's comments or your radio show? If you are lauding your show, then damn. Talk about a shameless plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 D-Hall has bigger things to worry about, like actually coering wide receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 we will not win a game with john beck as starter. hes potentially the worst QB this franchise has ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I understand the crowd saying we know what we have in Grossman and it's not the long-term answer. Nothing's happening this year so the smart thing to do is to see what Beck can do given a lengthy chance and hopefully he can improve so we know whether or not we can use him as a backup next year/bridge to a guy we draft. At the same time Beck is no younger than Grossman and is an unknown commodity. Grossman, right now at the same age, is outperforming Beck and regardless of what Beck has to offer, neither are the long-term answer. That seems pretty obvious. Since we know what we have in Grossman, the players support him, and he had a winning record this year, I don't see how he gets pulled. Any argument for Beck to be playing to stay on the team as a backup/bridge next year or whatever can be made for Grossman as well and he is the better quarterback on the team as well as the one the players want out there (both offensive and defensive players). Despite Beck's mobility, Grossman actually proved to be effective against the blitz this year and knows the offense. Literally, the only positive that comes from Beck playing is our draft position and I think everyone knows that including the players and I'm sure it doesn't sit well with them. I think between Doc Walker and LavarLeap it's pretty obvious how the players feel about Beck. I think Grossman has a lot of character and his confidence/attitude follows that of the rest of the team and they trust him despite his turnovers to put points on the board and be aggressive. For me, at least I was excited when our offense was the on the field because Grossman consistently made plays down the field and gave receivers the chance to make big plays. Sure he turned the ball over (as has Beck) but he also consistently made big plays in the passing game. If you want evidence of that, simply look at the points per game and Fred Davis' YPC with Grossman vs. Beck. Watching Beck out there is so frustrating because you know none of our receivers are even going to get the opportunity to make plays downfield and that makes us extremely one-dimensional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Playing John Beck gives them more opportunity to have no Rex/Beck next year. So essentially, playing Beck is tanking the season. ---------- Post added November-7th-2011 at 09:57 AM ---------- we will not win a game with john beck as starter. hes potentially the worst QB this franchise has ever seen. I wouldn't go that far. He has no confidence in his arm and is very jittery in the pocket but I've seen worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Playing John Beck gives them more opportunity to have no Rex/Beck next year.So essentially, playing Beck is tanking the season. seriously, at this point thats what it looks like. rex definitely played better than beck did, dont get me wrong, rex sucked, but beck is much worse. i think the only logical explanation is they wanna give beck a few more starts to see if he can improve. so far hes gotten worse or stayed just as bad. hes accounted for 31 points in 12 quarters as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superozman Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 D-Hall has bigger things to worry about, like actually coering wide receivers. He's done an good job this year overall, and as of late. I'm sick of this D-Hall getting a bad rep. He is a starting caliber CB, and one of the better ones in this Division. IN THE MEANTIME, everything he said is accurate, and true. Hell of a job by the defense, and pitiful job by the QB and the coaching staff in preparing and making a choice of allowing a terrible starter start the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlkyCaramel Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 seriously, at this point thats what it looks like. rex definitely played better than beck did, dont get me wrong, rex sucked, but beck is much worse.i think the only logical explanation is they wanna give beck a few more starts to see if he can improve. so far hes gotten worse or stayed just as bad. hes accounted for 31 points in 12 quarters as a starter. Umm, in addition, there is absolutely no way that Rex will be here next year - Beck will (even if he's not a starter). Rex is gone (and likely out of the NFL) after Week 17, but Beck has been signed for another year. Even if the Redskins draft a top 5 QB, Shanahan probably thinks that if Beck is going to be a viable back up he needs to get in there and get as much playing time this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He's done an good job this year overall, and as of late. I'm sick of this D-Hall getting a bad rep. He is a starting caliber CB, and one of the better ones in this Division.IN THE MEANTIME, everything he said is accurate, and true. Hell of a job by the defense, and pitiful job by the QB and the coaching staff in preparing and making a choice of allowing a terrible starter start the game. I agree. Hall, in my opinion, has played very well this year. He's not anywhere near an elite cover corner, but he has definitely worked hard to improve in that area because I think his coverage this year has been better. He's only got one interception but continues to look to force fumbles every time he has a chance and that's important as well. His tackling has vastly improved since he's been here. My point is that Hall has improved in just about every area since coming here and he's an extremely passionate player out there who has matured from his days in Atlanta. I look forward to him remaining here and continuing to improve because he is still a very young corner for as much experience as he has and will be important going forward if we can hopefully find a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Hall would be much better if he had some one like Nmadi opposite of him. Not saying talent wise but skill set wise. Some one who likes to get in the WR's face at the snap and push them around a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Wingman Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Umm, in addition, there is absolutely no way that Rex will be here next year - Beck will (even if he's not a starter). Rex is gone (and likely out of the NFL) after Week 17, but Beck has been signed for another year. Even if the Redskins draft a top 5 QB, Shanahan probably thinks that if Beck is going to be a viable back up he needs to get in there and get as much playing time this season. i think they're both gone, but if anybody, they would keep grossman. he knows the system way better which offers more than beck does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlkyCaramel Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 i think they're both gone, but if anybody, they would keep grossman. he knows the system way better which offers more than beck does. I am willing to bet that they're not keeping Grossman another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxpck Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He's done an good job this year overall, and as of late. I'm sick of this D-Hall getting a bad rep. He is a starting caliber CB, and one of the better ones in this Division.IN THE MEANTIME, everything he said is accurate, and true. Hell of a job by the defense, and pitiful job by the QB and the coaching staff in preparing and making a choice of allowing a terrible starter start the game. He gets paid more than a "starting caliber" CB. He talks more trash than a "starting caliber CB". Think he is at BEST 6th best corner in this division and I take Wilson above him. He is Fred Smoot with a bigger pricetag. He tackles well. He shouldnt be having to tackle anything. He earns his bad rep around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I thought the D played well yesterday, especially since Beck has a fancy for 3 & outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I am willing to bet that they're not keeping Grossman another year. To me it would be more logical to keep Grossman. He knows the system so he can teach it to a young QB, Beck doesn't seem to. He could step in mid game and give the team an opportunity to win. Beck doesn't seem to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I thought the D played well yesterday, especially since Beck has a fancy for 3 & outs. I also think the Oline did ok as well. They gave him some decent protection, how ever they were a bit inconsistant in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Seems to me, not olnly are the wheels coming off this wagon but the axel is vaporizing. We should all calm down and let this coaching staff do its business. Everyone knew it was a rebuilding year. I've heard others say and say it constantly. Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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