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      In today's Divisional Debacle, the Defense under Greg Manusky in the first half, gave up 207 yards of offense (105 rushing/102 passing) and two touchdowns.  That said, they did manage a single INT on which the Offense actually managed to score a touchdown off of. They allowed 12 of 16 passes to be completed . 
       
      In the second half it was 107 yards given up (58 rushing//49 passing) a field goal and a touchdown. They traded their first half pick for a second half sack. However, Dallas completed all five of their pass attempts. 
       
      Don't read that thinking "Well it seems like they tightened up some in the 2nd half."  They didn't. They simply had about half the plays in the second half. 30 plays in the First and 18 in the Second.
       
      So far in two Divisional matchups, the Defense has faltered in the Second half. They start out like a house of fire for the first few drives until their opponents gradually make adjustments. This Defensive coaching staff fails make any adjustments, whether in game or at the very least at Halftime. They've given up over 30 points per game for a total of 63 points given up in two games. While the Bears are up next, the Pats await and they've put up over 70 points in two games. Yeah. Ok. They did shut out the Dolphins today which is looking like the NFL version of ... ahem... shooting fish in a barrel. 
       
      The frustrating thing is Manusky is the DC that the Front Office actively looked to replace during the off season without firing him. When you know they're looking to replace you, most people would make a concentrated effort to show an improvement. Yet Manusky's Defense still keeps acting like it's starring in Groundhog Day.
       
      In his post game presser, when asked directly about if any coaching changes would be made, Gruden said "No, I think after two games – you’re talking about playing two very good offensive football teams and two of the best offensive lines in pro football we just played back-to-back. That’s no excuse whatsoever, but I don’t think we need to hit the panic button yet. We just have to continue to focus on what we can do better to win. Get Jonathan [Allen] in here, get a couple of our corners back in here and let’s go back and strap it up against Chicago [Bears] next week and see what happens.” 
       
      Here's another frustrating thing. The defensive communication was an issue last season as well. Wasn't this supposed to have been worked on during OTA's and Training Camp? It's understandable that the rookies would still be on a learning curve, but NFL vets like Collins and DRC you'd think they would have down by the start of the season. 
       
      Gruden said they're a very talented group on Defense but that they weren't reaching them. When questioned as to why the coaching staff that has been in place for several years, wasn't reaching them, he defended the comment as them being a young defense. “We have some moving parts now. Landon Collins is a veteran guy but this is his first year, [Montez] Sweat’s in his first year, [Cole] Holcomb, it’s his first year, [Jon] Bostic is in his first year. We’re playing Dominique [Rodgers-Cromartie] at corner and this is Jimmy Moreland’s first year, so it’s not like we are the most experienced group. We feel like were very talented, but we`re still fighting through somethings. There are a lot of things to look forward to, without a doubt, but we do have to play better and strap it up and get back to work."

       
       
       

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Good game Packers but honestly **** the HB SLIP SCREEN

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Not to mention the game making me pick instead of swatting the ball TWICE for two touchdowns. I should NOT have lost that game at all. Good game though. It was fun just hate how the defense reacts to the slip screen especially when it is a crucial down.....twice

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It shouldnt be used more than say 5 times.. never on same drive..

or IMO in key downs (like 3rd downs) it is such a terrible designed play

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I just hate that even when I play a mix of man and flat zones the defense runs straight through the line and does not flow to the screen. I almost always play the DL and by time I can see that it is a HB Slip Screen it's too late and they always have 3-4 blockers. When it is inside the 20 it is almost an automatic touchdown.

He ran it like two or three times.....just hate that damn play! I will be happy when that play gets the axe

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Really?? I didnt think the screen was that hard to defend in this madden...

Agreed. I've been burned by it, and also burned others using it. But if you key on the RB's movement at the snap, you can usually figure it out, and mess up the timing of the play before the RB has the chance to make his move.

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I ran the halfback screen twice in the game and once I only got a couple yards and the other I got a first down. I don't how you think you should have won the game I beat yoou by 11 and missed 2 field goals in a freakin dome.You hit guys deep when I had you blanketed too.The one Jennings caught and ran in he had a step on your safety.The one Cobb caught right before half was luck, but it was still 1 on 1 man coverage and time was running out and I was out of timeouts. There were F'ed up plays on both sides like Snelling breaking tackles like he's a freakin Riggins clone for a 63 yard gain. Not mention you got a freakin gift on the first play of the stinkin game. I pretty much held your offense with the exception of 2 long td runs by Turner and the Riggo like run from Snelling.3 turnovers by both of us led to score be higher than it should have. Screens are apart of football its not like I over used it. Screens aren't that hard to sniff out either, if all the sudden your guys are breakin through the line like fat kids after chocolate cake then its probably a screen.

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It shouldnt be used more than say 5 times.. never on same drive..

And I don't and never have. You played me when I had the Titans and I had Chris Johnson, I ran the screen like 2 times on you and you shut it down. It worked on him once and he stopped it once.

---------- Post added October-26th-2011 at 02:55 PM ----------

I dont have problems defending the screen in fact I like when people run it against me.

Thats what Im saying its not like its an illegal play or something and wouldn't the best time to use it be when he least suspects it. I think the one time it worked was on a 3rd down. NFL teams run screen on third downs all the time. I ran 2 flanker screen with Jennings that worked well too. I think one went like 15 for a TD. He trid to run a flanker screen too but it didn't work

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And I don't and never have. You played me when I had the Titans and I had Chris Johnson, I ran the screen like 2 times on you and you shut it down. It worked on him once and he stopped it once.

i was speaking purely just for future.. thats why i was asking him for what you were doing.. hell.. i dont even remember you running it.. lol.

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i was speaking purely just for future.. thats why i was asking him for what you were doing.. hell.. i dont even remember you running it.. lol.

Yeah I tried didn't work though. I dont't use it alot cause its a feast or famine play. If you get stopped its usually for a loss, but if you have a quick back its silly not to use it some

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And I don't and never have. You played me when I had the Titans and I had Chris Johnson, I ran the screen like 2 times on you and you shut it down. It worked on him once and he stopped it once.

---------- Post added October-26th-2011 at 02:55 PM ----------

Thats what Im saying its not like its an illegal play or something and wouldn't the best time to use it be when he least suspects it. I think the one time it worked was on a 3rd down. NFL teams run screen on third downs all the time. I ran 2 flanker screen with Jennings that worked well too. I think one went like 15 for a TD. He trid to run a flanker screen too but it didn't work

Mechanics of the slip screen are wacked out a bit, makes it tough to defend sometimes.

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I just looked back at the stats for the game it looks like D.Williams caught one ball for 38 yards and Larod Stephens-Howling caught one for 23 yard TD. Not sure if both were screens or not. The Stephens-Howling catch would have been on third down because I was using him as my 3rd down back

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I ran the halfback screen twice in the game and once I only got a couple yards and the other I got a first down. I don't how you think you should have won the game I beat yoou by 11 and missed 2 field goals in a freakin dome.You hit guys deep when I had you blanketed too.The one Jennings caught and ran in he had a step on your safety.The one Cobb caught right before half was luck, but it was still 1 on 1 man coverage and time was running out and I was out of timeouts. There were F'ed up plays on both sides like Snelling breaking tackles like he's a freakin Riggins clone for a 63 yard gain. Not mention you got a freakin gift on the first play of the stinkin game. I pretty much held your offense with the exception of 2 long td runs by Turner and the Riggo like run from Snelling.3 turnovers by both of us led to score be higher than it should have. Screens are apart of football its not like I over used it. Screens aren't that hard to sniff out either, if all the sudden your guys are breakin through the line like fat kids after chocolate cake then its probably a screen.

I was saying **** the HB Slip Screen in general. I was not bashing you at all. I was saying that it is a play that pisses me off. I think you took this thread as me bashing you in some way I wasn't

---------- Post added October-26th-2011 at 09:54 PM ----------

Mechanics of the slip screen are wacked out a bit, makes it tough to defend sometimes.

THAT is my issue. I just feel that how it is designed it can be a game changer in a bad way. The TD on third down was huge and it being a slip screen burnt me a bit

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I was saying **** the HB Slip Screen in general. I was not bashing you at all. I was saying that it is a play that pisses me off. I think you took this thread as me bashing you in some way I wasn't

---------- Post added October-26th-2011 at 09:54 PM ----------

THAT is my issue. I just feel that how it is designed it can be a game changer in a bad way. The TD on third down was huge and it being a slip screen burnt me a bit

Nah, Its cool, but it really isn't a hard play to stop if you sniff it out its basically like any play. I hate playing against the wild cat and think its hard to defend at times. Plays like that only work well if you set them up and catch the person off guard with it. I think if ended up telling people not to use the slp screen would hurt the games, because where does it stop and I know your not saying don't use it. Everybody has strengths and weaknesses, you think its hard to stop it others don't. In fact I haven't had much success with it so far.

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Nah, Its cool, but it really isn't a hard play to stop if you sniff it out its basically like any play. I hate playing against the wild cat and think its hard to defend at times. Plays like that only work well if you set them up and catch the person off guard with it. I think if ended up telling people not to use the slp screen would hurt the games, because where does it stop and I know your not saying don't use it. Everybody has strengths and weaknesses, you think its hard to stop it others don't. In fact I haven't had much success with it so far.

Alot has to do with if your in man or zone D. Man defense your pretty good, caught in bad zone d its a problem. I have just started making a person cover the back 1 on 1 if im in zone so I dont have to watch for the screen all game.

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I will say though, when I do get beat by the screen, it pisses me off more than any other play for some reason. Maybe bc a couple Maddens ago, it was damn near impossible to stop and everyone ran it all the time on head to head match ups.

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I will say though, when I do get beat by the screen, it pisses me off more than any other play for some reason. Maybe bc a couple Maddens ago, it was damn near impossible to stop and everyone ran it all the time on head to head match ups.

Its still a favorite early in the game in ranked matches.

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It's just me but I don't even use that play because I never feel right using it. It was a fun game just burned me that a touchdown came from it. It's all good - just one of those play I feel is not designed properly for either offense or defense

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It's just me but I don't even use that play because I never feel right using it. It was a fun game just burned me that a touchdown came from it. It's all good - just one of those play I feel is not designed properly for either offense or defense

i may use it once or twice.. usually to keep the defense guessing.. i dont think ive scored on it yet though. hell i dont even think ive gotten a damn first down off it.

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