Hitman21ST Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'm thinking more in the terms of baseball, but this can be applied to any sport. Does/should the number of teams a player plays for affect his chances of making the Hall of Fame? Obviously, with Deion Sanders, it didn't. He still made it. I'm comparing Alex Rodriguez with Derek Jeter or Cal Ripken. IMO Ripken and Jeter have the edge, if they were all going to be eligible in the same year, because they only played for one team. On the football side, would a Darrel Green have the edge over Deion because of the number of teams? Or am I just spinning my wheels on a non-topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I don't think so. Look at basketball: Shaq played for 6 teams, but he's a lock for the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Deion got in because he is the best cover corner ever. ARod will get in because he is the best hitter not named Barry Bonds of the past quarter century. Ripkin would get in because of the streak, and because he revolutionized the SS position. Jeter will get in because he is a Yankee who played for a really long time. Serious answer: I don't think it makes much difference. If you were a journeyman who had an impact wherever you went, you get in. If you are a long time player on one team who is just another guy, you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Rod Woodson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southtown Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I don't think it would matter too much, but maybe for that borderline HoFamer, not being a jorneyman would help. I can't think of a great example, but take someone like Harold Baines. Great accumulation of numbers. Won't make the hall of fame, however, if he played all 20+ years with just one team (and had a forced nickname, like "Mr Comiskey") I bet he would get more votes than he does now. I just picture old purist baseball hall of fame voters disliking free agency and respecting a guy more who played 20+ years with just one team. Or it doesn't matter at all, one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney B Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Rod Woodson. What about him? Great player, maybe the best overall corner ever, when you take into account run support and tackling. But I said "cover corner." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 What about him? Great player, maybe the best overall corner ever, when you take into account run support and tackling.But I said "cover corner." I meant a kind of journeyman who made it in the HOF. Of course, to me he is considered a journeyman since he switched a bunch the time I started keeping track of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 There is a difference between journeyman and a guy who plays for multiple teams. Journeyman would be someone like a reliever in baseball who has played for 15 teams and finally gets good for a season or a two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 skinfan, thanks for the clarification. I meant someone who plays for multiple teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I could see for somebody considered a border line player where it could hurt. Does anybody doubt that Monk was helped by the support of the Redskins fan base? Anybody think if Monk had played for 6 different teams, including 3 or so teams during the prime of his career the support would have been as strong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southtown Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 How about Fred McGriff? Played for 7 teams. 493 HR. 1500 RBI. Awesome commercial for that baseball skills instructional video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Specifically I'm thinking Kurt Warner. Would he have a better chance at the HoF if he stayed in St.L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 How about Randy Moss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Specifically I'm thinking Kurt Warner. Would he have a better chance at the HoF if he stayed in St.L? OTOH look at Rickey Jackson, he played in New Orleans for nearly his entire career (two years in San Francisco in the twilight of his career), and if the Saints hadn't gotten good again he might still be waiting. Edit: And you can add Hanburger to that list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Awesome commercial for that baseball skills instructional video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 There is a difference between journeyman and a guy who plays for multiple teams. Journeyman would be someone like a reliever in baseball who has played for 15 teams and finally gets good for a season or a two Yeah. Sadly, we have had several journeymen as our starting QBs like our current one. Our former one is now a journeyman. Moving from one team to another happens all the time. Shaq was a HOF in Orlando, LA and I would even say Miami. He then became a journeyman on his last couple of stops. If a player plays at high level and goes to different teams, I don't consider that person a journeyman. It's like Sf2k said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think that the fact that you're a journeyman hurt your chances of the HoF because no team felt the need to keep you around for too long. Unless you were involved in blockbuster trades 6 times, being a journeyman means that you're just marginally good, not a HoFer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think that the fact that you're a journeyman hurt your chances of the HoF because no team felt the need to keep you around for too long. Unless you were involved in blockbuster trades 6 times, being a journeyman means that you're just marginally good, not a HoFer Oh, please. Look at Jim Thome. The man has no character issues. Great guy. Terrific power hitter. But he's played with several teams over the years. Granted, he still might not get in the HOF. But it won't be because of all the teams he played for. Not all guys that have played for a lot of teams are "marginal" players. Hell, I could probably come up with a pretty big list of guys like Thome, if I really cared to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I don't see where "character issues" was ever even brought up... But then again I don't see why so many firesales go on at the trade deadline in Baseball like they do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 What about him? Great player, maybe the best overall corner ever, when you take into account run support and tackling.But I said "cover corner." I'd match up Woodson's cover ability with anyone's. IMO, he's the best CB to ever play. I'd say the difference between his cover ability and Deion's is so small it can't be noticed by mortal men. I don't know that being a journeyman hurts.. if you've got the talent, it shows through. Most guys who are in the various halls aren't journeymen simply because teams don't let players of their caliber go very often. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'd match up Woodson's cover ability with anyone's.IMO, he's the best CB to ever play. I'd say the difference between his cover ability and Deion's is so small it can't be noticed by mortal men. ~Bang To me, the difference in pure coverage skill was there, but your mileage may vary. I agree that Woodson was the best ever, when everything is taken into account. Better than Deion, better than Darrell, better than the old timers like Mel Blount and Night Train Lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think after Warner made it to the SB w. the Cards, he's a lock. A-Rod SHOULD be a lock if it wasn't for the roids. He'll have a hard time getting in IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think after Warner made it to the SB w. the Cards, he's a lock. A-Rod SHOULD be a lock if it wasn't for the roids. He'll have a hard time getting in IMO. No ... they're going to let him in because if they didn't let him in because of roids, they wouldn't be able to let anyone in from this era. Since presumably everyone was doing it, it wasn't really that much of an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 No ... they're going to let him in because if they didn't let him in because of roids, they wouldn't be able to let anyone in from this era. Since presumably everyone was doing it, it wasn't really that much of an advantage. I agree. When they thought it was just Barry Bonds (who everyone hated), then the purist argument was much stronger. Now that we understand that most of the league was taking them (especially the pitchers), that argument has died down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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