Spooky Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I am in the minority. I thought Kyle called a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 KS has an uncanny ability to outsmart himself at the worst possible times. He did it in the Dallas game and again today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubanl81 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Yeah while I don't think it was the best called game. I think he will get into a groove and call an awesome game for Philly. I would be alot more pissed if the running game and D didn't look so damn good. I really thought we were going to hold them without a TD. Was disappointed when Jackson got that TD after that idiotic roughing the passer penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 And how many years offensive experience do you have at the college or pro level? Oh you got me. The old "you're fan, you're view doesn't mean much if i disagree with it because you have no pro experience." I'm just calling it like I see it, like all of us. Kyle sucks as an offensive coordinator. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I think Kyle called a fine game, even though we are 3-1 we obviously still have a lot of question marks. It was clear to be that Rex is scared to throw the deep ball, I counted 5+ plays where it was clear the deep ball was called and he checked down and didn't even give it a go. Rex isn't good throwing quick passes on blitzing downs. Even though we are 3-1 I personally wouldn't be upset to see Beck get a chance to play. I honestly believe our offense is hampered by him big time.. It pains me that we're in an awesome position but so limited at QB. The other issue I have is why we are still feeding Hightower, he is too quick to kick toward the sidelines instead of busting the runs up field. I think he leaves plenty of running yards on the field in every game. Go watch the first quarter running by Hightower then watch the differences when Helu in, when he saw contact coming he at least tried to head up field. Torain was just a beast just heading up field and playing with power. Defense continued to play very very well. I think we've got an extremely bright future and I'm completely excited by this team but we have absolutely got to find a way get a QB. If it wasn't for how well the defense was playing we would be in trouble. I would say that everyone owes Haslett an apology because he has made our defense stellar. If we could pickup another decent corner and a few more key defense players including a QB I could see us running deep in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 KS has an uncanny ability to outsmart himself at the worst possible times. He did it in the Dallas game and again today. yeah, I agree. It's like he assumes the plays are working because he's outsmarting the D, not because the offense is executing. So he has to adjust away from the game plan because the D will smarten up. Where if he kept doing what he was doing they'd continue executing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencer6091 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The play action on 1st and 10 when it was time to run the ball just blew my mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger187126 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Oh you got me. The old "you're fan, you're view doesn't mean much if i disagree with it because you have no pro experience." I'm just calling it like I see it, like all of us. Kyle sucks as an offensive coordinator. Fact. "calling it like i see it" and Fact don't belong in the same sentence. opinion is what you are actually putting out there, i'll give you some time to realize the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santanathegreat Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The problem is that Kyle has too much faith in a noodle-armed bum that is destined for failure. I'm not sure what he sees in Grossman that makes him want to pass so much, but he needs to limit Grossman's throws, and therefore the mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEREALTOR1 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Oh you got me. The old "you're fan, you're view doesn't mean much if i disagree with it because you have no pro experience." I'm just calling it like I see it, like all of us. Kyle sucks as an offensive coordinator. Fact. No, that doesn't make it a fact, that makes it your opinon, as you put it "just like all of us". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Oh you got me. The old "you're fan, you're view doesn't mean much if i disagree with it because you have no pro experience." I'm just calling it like I see it, like all of us. Kyle sucks as an offensive coordinator. Fact. The fact is that there were several plays called that should have been successful. When the QB hesitates when there's a wide open receiver, or overthrows a guy ten feet away that's not the playcaller's fault! The problem is that Kyle has too much faith in a noodle-armed bum that is destined for failure. I'm not sure what he sees in Grossman that makes him want to pass so much, but he needs to limit Grossman's throws, and therefore the mistakes. I totally agree. But a coach should expect his qb to bounce back, which Grossman failed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Kyle's playcalling hasn't been good for a couple of weeks! He's like a kid with ADHD. He calls a good mix of run plays with pass plays. We start picking up some nice run yardage and start controlling the clock. Then, all of a sudden, he starts calling 90% passing plays that result in a string of 3-and-outs, completely abandoning the run which got us into a lead. ---------- Post added October-2nd-2011 at 09:43 PM ---------- The problem is that Kyle has too much faith in a noodle-armed bum that is destined for failure. I'm not sure what he sees in Grossman that makes him want to pass so much, but he needs to limit Grossman's throws, and therefore the mistakes. .. and .. what is YOUR suggestion that he do? Give the job to Beck, who proved that he was inferior to Grossman? yeah. THAT'S the answer Until we have another first round draft pick, it is what it is. And the rest is just a futile pissing contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 No. It is up to the QB to execute the plays that are called or to check out of them. This are Rex's issues, not Kyle's.Kyle is to blame for not running out the clock in Dallas though. Kyle is aggressive so we are not gonna sit or run out many games he wants points on the board and to move the chains but it doesnt always work the way its drawn up to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger187126 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The problem is that Kyle has too much faith in a noodle-armed bum that is destined for failure. I'm not sure what he sees in Grossman that makes him want to pass so much, but he needs to limit Grossman's throws, and therefore the mistakes. wouldn't you call 40 runs to 29 passes limiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibby Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Oh you got me. The old "you're fan, you're view doesn't mean much if i disagree with it because you have no pro experience." I'm just calling it like I see it, like all of us. Kyle sucks as an offensive coordinator. Fact. Kyle Shanahan Houston Texans OC 2008: Total Offense: 382.1 YPG (3rd in the NFL) Passing: 266.7 YPG (4th in the NFL) Rushing: 114 YPG (13th in the NFL) 2009: Total Offense: 383.1 (4th in the NFL) Passing: 290.9 (1st in the NFL) Rushing: 92.2 (31st in the NFL) 2010: Total Offense: 335.9 (18 in the NFL) Passing: 244.6 (8th in the NFL) Rushing: 91.3 (30th in the NFL) It's no secret that Kyle Shanahan likes to go through the air. It was a reason we brought him in here in the first place. Paired with his father who is a running back guru this should (in time) be a great combo. Your "fact" comment is an opinion. He's a young and up and coming offensive coordinator. He hasn't been in the league 10+ years calling plays so he is still learning the ropes. He knows how to coach an offense and once he has the right personnel that can execute like Houston fans will be praising him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Maybe it's cause I was out of football world for the evening, but coming home from work and reading things like "Kyle just doesn't know football" is either hilarious or enraging. yea ok, he just doesn't know. What a bum, he should probably just work at a starbucks. A bunch of you guys are talking about all these plays in hindsight, and you're saying these things with such a ****ty attitude, after a WIN. You're calling Kyle an idiot and you want Rex benched. Just what in the hell did you expect this season? This is GREAT so far. The defense looks AWESOME. Torain is back out of nowhere. WERE 3-1. Look, all QBs have bad games(yes, ALL, just the elite ones not as often) and on a day when the Skins have two hundred yards running the ball, Rex has a buck fifty passing which makes sense, but he did look pretty messy. I'm not even mad about the picks, that horrible throw across his body on the run that was batted down, thank god, was his worst play of the game IMO. Other than that, he overthrew moss, and went deep at least once where he had 2 guys wide open closer. Meh. I mean, why is it when Rex has a bad day, it's so much different than other QBs that do throughout the league. "ohh! there's BAD REX". What about bad Matt Ryan, or bad Sanchez, or bad Romo sits to pee FOR CHRISSAKES! hahah. They are forever forgiven, but Rex is not allowed to do anything wrong and must post 100+ QBRs before people want TO REPLACE HIM WITH JOHN BECK. Say that out loud. Pretend you're not a skins fan and say that out loud. Come on yall. I really hate to sound like such a Rex lover, I'ts not like that... it's just ridiculous how quickly he's jumped on. He's your quarterback, why don't you try to support him at least a little. He's got your team 3-1. God damnit. Can we please just laugh at the Cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Maybe it's cause I was out of football world for the evening, but coming home from work and reading things like "Kyle just doesn't know football" is either hilarious or enraging. yea ok, he just doesn't know. What a bum, he should probably just work at a starbucks.A bunch of you guys are talking about all these plays in hindsight, and you're saying these things with such a ****ty attitude, after a WIN. You're calling Kyle an idiot and you want Rex benched. Just what in the hell did you expect this season? This is GREAT so far. The defense looks AWESOME. Torain is back out of nowhere. WERE 3-1. I think the people who want Rex benched and are calling Kyle and idiot are two different groups. And he's had these same problems for a couple games in a row, so I think Kyle needs some work. He may be able to design plays but he can't seem to use them in a way that really establishes a rhythm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 "calling it like i see it" and Fact don't belong in the same sentence.opinion is what you are actually putting out there, i'll give you some time to realize the difference. Wow. Thanks. I love how seriously some of you take yourselves on this board. ---------- Post added October-2nd-2011 at 11:15 PM ---------- Kyle Shanahan Houston Texans OC 2008:Total Offense: 382.1 YPG (3rd in the NFL) Passing: 266.7 YPG (4th in the NFL) Rushing: 114 YPG (13th in the NFL) 2009: Total Offense: 383.1 (4th in the NFL) Passing: 290.9 (1st in the NFL) Rushing: 92.2 (31st in the NFL) 2010: Total Offense: 335.9 (18 in the NFL) Passing: 244.6 (8th in the NFL) Rushing: 91.3 (30th in the NFL) It's no secret that Kyle Shanahan likes to go through the air. It was a reason we brought him in here in the first place. Paired with his father who is a running back guru this should (in time) be a great combo. Your "fact" comment is an opinion. He's a young and up and coming offensive coordinator. He hasn't been in the league 10+ years calling plays so he is still learning the ropes. He knows how to coach an offense and once he has the right personnel that can execute like Houston fans will be praising him. Just out of curiosity--has there been a drop off in the Texans offensive production since Kyle left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Jeebus...we just won a football game, and crap threads like this appear. Get real fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE#80 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Why do we have to assign blame? We won, be happy for twelve seconds without blaming someone for us almost losing. Were not the best team in the NFL, we need to take wins anyway we can get them, sneak into the playoffs and see what happens. The Eagles go into every game thinking anything less than blowing a team out is unacceptable, they are now 1 and 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEREALTOR1 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Maybe it's cause I was out of football world for the evening, but coming home from work and reading things like "Kyle just doesn't know football" is either hilarious or enraging. yea ok, he just doesn't know. What a bum, he should probably just work at a starbucks. I agree Dirt, seeing the same threads over and over again, regardless of whether the team wins or loses is aggravating to say the least, but I guess thats what a NFL teams message board is supposed to be about, I guess :whoknows: As someone who tries to look at other teams boards in weeks leading up to our games against those teams, I tend to think this board is special in the sense that it does have a large base of very football intelligent people, however it also has a large number of members who are more fans by name and not so much by definition. fan: An ardent devotee; an enthusiast. supporter, lover, admirer, follower, freak Somewhere along the line, the sports fan became less concerned about the accomplishments of their respective teams, and more concerned with how those accomplishments are achieved. This is how we end up with all of these armchair gm's/qb's, who, due to their success of playing a video game thats meant to simulate the sport in which their respective team competes in, its of their opinion that its no longer satisfactory for their team to simply be successful, but that success is only achieved if the team accomplishes their goal while doing so in a manner that satisfies the fans' desires. Fortunately i'm sure there are still plenty of fans who find gratification in simply rooting for their team to be successful. Fans who simply respect the fact that the actual contributors of that team certainly have as much (and in most cases much, much more) of a desire to succeed in their respective sport, for that is their responsibility as a participant, while it is simply my role as a fan to support them. :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousD Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Put it to a poll: Which is safer? Rex Grossman throwing in traffic or Ryan Torain (who's already over 100 yds rushing and averaging 7 yards a carry) running the ball?I think we all know the answer to that if your honest with yourself. Some here just choose to be obtuse. As I said, there's no guarantee of success either way is there? You line up on 3-1 late in the game fully expecting to see 7, 8 or 9 defenders in the box. You can elect to run up the gut and into the teeth or try off tackle and hope the safety isn't up to the task or you can line up in a running formation and attempt a pass. You can play 3-1 every which way to Sunday but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you don't execute. Speaking of polls, how many 3-1's do you think there were today? I'm going to say, a bunch. If you were to poll all the head coaches who ran 3-1, I will bet you that 100% of those coaches who saw there team execute them badly would want them back to do over and all that saw their call executed as planned were happy with the result. This isn't as simple as you would like it to be. Runs on 3-1 don't always work. Passes on 3-1 don't always work. There are 2 teams playing out there and for every high pertantage play you think you're dialing up, there is a guy on the opposite sideline dialing up another high percentage play he likes. Something has to give and the victory usually goes to the team that executes better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The FACT that late in the game on 3rd and 1 Torain ran straight downhill to salt the game away and allowed Rex to take a knee? You know, the same Ryan Torain that had 135 yards on 19 carries??The Rams were not stopping the run game today...but Kyle Shanahan sure could. I hope he stops the run every week if it produces close to 200 yards rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriously Posted October 3, 2011 Author Share Posted October 3, 2011 Jeebus...we just won a football game, and crap threads like this appear.Get real fellas. You're right, crap threads attract crap posts... thank u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 You're right, crap threads attract crap posts... thank u. I didn't know a thread about situational football got you and tr1's panties in such a twist? Maybe discussing football is not your cup of tea and you should find the Cosmopolitan message board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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