FOX: U.S. Born Terror Boss Anwar Al-Awlaki Killed

[Redskins Diehard]

Well, I am "listening" to you here, RD, as I am one who often feels the messenger is as important as the message. So, in fairness, my initial satisfaction or "bloodlust" being appeased, is being tempered by the idea that a capture and trial and full prosecution under our laws would be preferable, but would it have been realistic? I know one gets into a whole 'nother batch of sticky here about compromising principles for the sake of expediency. But droning a guy like this, as hard as even that is to pull off, seems far more doable than a snatch-n-withdraw by an SOG, and obviously with less risk to more American lives (among other things) and still demands doing.

Finding them is the tough part, after that the UAV strike is "easy". The snatch mission could be very difficult(Black Hawk Down), or end up in killing anyway(UBL).

I wonder if Adam Gadahn is afraid? Or insulted at how irrelevant we view him

[twa]

Pragmatism is not part of our Constitution.

It's just a piece of paper....just trying to be helpful

[War Paint]

I agree in principle. But given the actual circumstances, how concerned should we be?

I would be very concerned because this plants a seed. If this is allowed, what will it be like down the road? Anyone the government labels a "terrorist" can be a target of an assassination. Most of us are conditioned to think of Muslim guys wearing a turban are terrorists. Well, what if a far-right administration takes over in the future and labels environmental groups as terrorists? What if the label of terrorist is thrown on Libertarians? What if a far-left administration takes over and labels the Tea Party terrorists? (I actually think that has already happened) This opens a big can of worms.

[Jumbo]

Pragmatism is not part of our Constitution.

Sure it is.

[Corcaigh]

If this is allowed, what will it be like down the road?

"I know it when I see it".

Most of us are conditioned to think of Muslim guys wearing a turban are terrorists.

Who are "us", that are conditioned to think that up to a billion of the world's population are terrorists?

Well, what if a far-right administration takes over in the future and labels environmental groups as terrorists?

Depends on the groups actions whether it merits the tag.

What if the label of terrorist is thrown on Libertarians?

Unjustified. In my opinion, for any group to warrant the terrorist label and treatment associated with it requires a certain level of organization and competence.

What if a far-left administration takes over and labels the Tea Party terrorists? (I actually think that has already happened)

You think we have a far left administration AND you think the current administration has identified the Tea Party as terrorists?

For this you deserve the label of bat-**** insane.

[TimmySmith]

Sure it is.

Obviously it's not, and for good reason I guess. But pragmatism keeps Gitmo open, allows us to bomb Libya without declaring war (and Yemen now), allowed for WACO, and got Saddam Hussein (to be non partisan).

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

Anwar al-Awlaki's Last Words Cut Short?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/anwar-al-awlakis-words-cut-short/story?id=14638943

It looks like we got you first.

[Mad Mike]

This scum bag was ACTIVELY recruiting people to kill Americans. Killing him helps prevent more American deaths. That makes him a live, actionable target in a time of war. PERIOD.

[Redskins Diehard]

This scum bag was ACTIVELY recruiting people to kill Americans. Killing him helps prevent more American deaths. That makes him a live, actionable target in a time of war. PERIOD.

One of the questions I have been wondering about and since you seem to have no questions(not meant in a bad way at all) on this topic...how do you handle this if he were doing this from Canada? Or Montana?

[Koolblue13]

He was also big on prostitutes in the DC area:

Glad I could contribute to the discussion.

Is it possible that perhaps he, like some others don't hate our freedoms, but the way our country acts around the world, despite being of a differing major religion? Kind of like how a person can shoot up an abortion clinic for god, despite only going to church once a week.

[twa]

This scum bag was ACTIVELY recruiting people to kill Americans. Killing him helps prevent more American deaths. That makes him a live, actionable target in a time of war. PERIOD.

I agree, it is refreshing not to listen to the constant 'creating terrorists' meme though .

[War Paint]

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You think we have a far left administration AND you think the current administration has identified the Tea Party as terrorists?

For this you deserve the label of bat-**** insane.

lol, haha..it's funny...hahahahah....I R INSANE HAHA. Maybe you just aren't informed.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/biden_tea_stands_for_terrorist_WEL1JQbZ4aTL594RL6vZEL

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/palin-gop-respond-alleged-biden-terror-comment/story?id=14209743

[Predicto]

One of the questions I have been wondering about and since you seem to have no questions(not meant in a bad way at all) on this topic...how do you handle this if he were doing this from Canada? Or Montana?

Then you could have him arrested and give him a trial and throw him in prison if he is convicted. That's the problem. You can't arrest him in the mountains of Yemen or Afganistan. But he's still there, still doing that terrorist thing.

Modern terrorism is a real dilemma, and I consider myself a strong civil libertarian.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:34 PM ----------

lol, haha..it's funny...hahahahah....I R INSANE HAHA. Maybe you just aren't informed.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/biden_tea_stands_for_terrorist_WEL1JQbZ4aTL594RL6vZEL

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/palin-gop-respond-alleged-biden-terror-comment/story?id=14209743

You are a hoot. Never change.

[twa]

And if he is considered a threat while attempting arrest you can kill him

[Rocky21]

Is it possible that perhaps he, like some others don't hate our freedoms, but the way our country acts around the world, despite being of a differing major religion? Kind of like how a person can shoot up an abortion clinic for god, despite only going to church once a week.

Nah dude he's just a big time hypocrit. Oops was a big time hypocrit.

[Corcaigh]

lol, haha..it's funny...hahahahah....I R INSANE HAHA. Maybe you just aren't informed.

Ah ... we are talking about whether drone attacks on terrorist leaders are legitimate, and you are arguing the goof ball Joe Biden is heading in that direction regarding the Tea Party?

Yes, you are bat-**** insane my friend.

[Predicto]

Ah ... we are talking about whether drone attacks on terrorist leaders are legitimate, and you are arguing the goof ball Joe Biden is heading in that direction regarding the Tea Party?

Yes, you are bat-**** insane my friend.

Are those FEMA camps ready yet? What the heck is taking so long?

[War Paint]

Ah ... we are talking about whether drone attacks on terrorist leaders are legitimate, and you are arguing the goof ball Joe Biden is heading in that direction regarding the Tea Party?

Yes, you are bat-**** insane my friend.

You lack the ability to use logic. You lack the ability to understand why ordering the assassination of an American citizen without a trial is a bad thing. You my friend, lack common sense. I suggest you do some crossword puzzles or something. It exercises your brain.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 03:52 PM ----------

Are those FEMA camps ready yet? What the heck is taking so long?

Predicto, if you don't see any cause of concern that our government ordered the assassination of an American citizen without a trial, I don't know what to tell you.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 03:56 PM ----------

And if he is considered a threat while attempting arrest you can kill him

Exactly. If he resisted arrest and was killed, that is one thing. To order the assassination of him without a trial is another. I wonder what he had for lunch that day when he dined at the Pentagon. I wonder if it was a cheeseburger with a side order of freedom fries.

[Predicto]

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Predicto, if you don't see any cause of concern that our government ordered the assassination of an American citizen without a trial, I don't know what to tell you.

Actually, I do have concerns about that, and I do not know what the solution is. I find it very troubling.

But that isn't what I was making fun of (and I think you knew that).

[War Paint]

Actually, I do have concerns about that, and I do not know what the solution is. I find it very troubling.

But that isn't what I was making fun of (and I think you knew that).

You think it's funny that some on the left compared the Tea Party to terrorists? I'm sure you would be the thread starter if Cheney compared those involved with promoting Global Warming to terrorists. Nah, you wouldn't do that.....

But to your concerns and what you find troubling.....Why are you concerned about it? What are the problems you see about it? Why do you think it's bad?

[Predicto]

You think it's funny that some on the left compared the Tea Party to terrorists? I'm sure you would be the thread starter if Cheney compared those involved with promoting Global Warming to terrorists. Nah, you wouldn't do that.....

Go back and see how many threads I have ever started. You might be surprised.

But to your concerns and what you find troubling.....Why are you concerned about it? What are the problems you see about it? Why do you think it's bad?

I don't have the time today to discuss it in detail, although I have done so in the past. I acknowledged the dilemma in post #63.

Anyhow, since you are a 9/11 truther, and a birther, and an Alex Jones fan, I'm not sure we can find much common ground anyway. :whoknows:

[Corcaigh]

You lack the ability to understand why ordering the assassination of an American citizen without a trial is a bad thing.

I think it gives everyone pause. But given the circumstances it's a tradeoff most are willing to make. How many Special Forces lives would you be willing to risk to bring him back from hostile foreign soil for a trial? Do you also think Bin Laden was murdered, or do you simply not care because he wasn't an American citizen? Is all this worry about legal process simply because Al-Awlaki was eligible for an American passport?

What seems strange to most of us is that you seem to think that a decision to kill a terrorist belongs on the same spectrum as an off the cuff comment by a VP renowned for making ill-considered remarks. This is as far fetched as thinking a picture of a chicken is pornographic and promoting necrophilia.

The decision to invite Al-Awlaki to the Pentagon in hindsight appears very foolish, but apparently at the time they believed him to be a moderate. What's not up for serious debate is whether he was in 2011 a serious threat to American lives.

[War Paint]

Go back and see how many threads I have ever started. You might be surprised.

I don't have the time today to discuss it in detail, although I have done so in the past. I acknowledged the dilemma in post #63.

Anyhow, since you are a 9/11 truther, and a birther, and an Alex Jones fan, I'm not sure we can find much common ground anyway. :whoknows:

Ah, because you can't answer you throw lies about me. I was never, EVER a birther. I am not a truther. I do like Alex Jones though. That's okay, when all else fails throw mud to the wall and hope it sticks. It is expected from you.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 04:31 PM ----------

I think it gives everyone pause. But given the circumstances it's a tradeoff most are willing to make. How many Special Forces lives would you be willing to risk to bring him back from hostile foreign soil for a trial? Do you also think Bin Laden was murdered, or do you simply not care because he wasn't an American citizen? Is all this worry about legal process simply because Al-Awlaki was eligible for an American passport?

What seems strange to most of us is that you seem to think that a decision to kill a terrorist belongs on the same spectrum as an off the cuff comment by a VP renowned for making ill-considered remarks. This is as far fetched as thinking a picture of a chicken is pornographic and promoting necrophilia.

The decision to invite Al-Awlaki to the Pentagon in hindsight appears very foolish, but apparently at the time they believed him to be a moderate. What's not up for serious debate is whether he was in 2011 a serious threat to American lives.

No, I'm not saying what Joe Biden said is on the same spectrum as assassinating an American citizen without a trial. Assassinating an Amercian citizen is worse than Biden hyperbole. That said, why are you concerned about assassinating an American citizen without a trial? Do you think there could be consequences to such such an action?

[visionary]

I wonder if we could have at least tried to capture him again first if we had that much access.

It probably would have been pretty dangerous though.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/09/awlaki-khan-us-yemen.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

REPORTING FROM WASHINGTON -- U.S. operatives on the ground in Yemen used fingerprint analysis to confirm that a joint CIA-military drone strike Friday killed American militants Anwar Awlaki and Samir Khan, according to a U.S. government official briefed on the operation.

“It was good to see the Yemen government actually allow us to go in,” the official said on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record. “Allowing us to go on the property and get fingerprint analysis was a nice gesture of cooperation by the Yemeni government.”

Information about Awlaki’s location came from the interrogation of an operative of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula held in Yemeni custody. Samir Khan was not targeted in the strike, but fingerprint analysis after the fact confirmed he was killed as well, said the official.

“Samir Khan was a bonus. It was a twofer,” said Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas), who serves on the House Committee on Homeland Security. “It’s a pretty good hit.”

Mohammed Albasha, spokesman for the Yemeni Embassy in Washington, confirmed that Yemeni intelligence recently located Awlaki at a hideout in the town of Khashef, near the border with Saudi Arabia.

Awlaki was riding in a convoy of vehicles when the airstrike hit the motorcade, killing him, Khan and two other Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula operatives, Albasha said in an email.

[Jumbo]

Obviously it's not, and for good reason I guess. But pragmatism keeps Gitmo open, allows us to bomb Libya without declaring war (and Yemen now), allowed for WACO, and got Saddam Hussein (to be non partisan).

Dude. Look at yourself; what you're saying. You're saying "pragmatism is not part of our constitution." Why don't you stop and think instead of just reacting. Look at those words. Think about your contention there. You actually think there is "no pragmatism" in the writing of our constitution? Now if you want to debate what pragmatic ideas, in specific, are or are not in accordance with what you think the constitution states on a given matter (including your list of "examples" for example :pfft:), or debate the devices in (and out) of the constitution that have been historically used to make law and policy and are relevant (even besides the amendments), that's fine. But I was trying to playfully nudge you out of your absolutism, something which is "obviously" difficult at times.