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Short Reasons for Why this GOP Registered Voter Will (likely) Vote for Obama


Fergasun

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1) Tax Cut's Don't help the Economy.

We had the Bush tax cut's early in his administration. By the logic of the GOP, tax cuts are the magic pill for the economy. Yet, 10 years later, these tax cuts have done nothing but quicken wealth distribution issues in this country, resulted in a higher deficit (which the GOP complain about as well) and I don't think they are effective. Furthermore, the country can least afford to give out tax cuts anyway right now.

2) Health Care Law is Not Evil

I remember hearing things about a takeover of 1/6th of the US economy. As the law is getting implemented, I don't see the negative impact that has been predicted. Furthermore, the health care/insurance industry is a huge tax on our economy. Ignoring the fact that health care costs have increased astronomically over the past 5 years is not going to solve the problem. I haven't seen any decent GOP solutions.

3) GOP's Claim's about Debt Limit Are Overblown

The "line in the sand" is really something around $20T. It's foolish for the GOP to die on the mountain for every single debt ceiling raise. They all know the truth, but are pandering to score points as budget hawks. Something has to be done to address the issue around $20T, that should be the focus rather than the $15T-16T (and $17T and $18T). On the one hand, the GOP wants to act like they are saving the country and it's a moral imperative; on the other hand they still manage to strike a deal and avoid a government shutdown. If the debt limit was such a problem they would've dealth with the solution when in power.

4) Companies are not Over-burdened with Regulation

If this were true it would have been a priority during the Bush administration. Think about it, if regulation was taking away a huge chunk of GDP, than Bush was in position to change it, and this would've solved the economic ills we were in back in 2007-2008. Regulation laws that came about 2009-present... oh it was a hollowed out financial regulation bill!

5) Democrats Aren't Much Different in Foreign Policy

Yup, Obama has pretty much kept in place Bush's foreign policy. Why do I have a problem with that? Considering that foreign policy is a major sphere for the President.

6) Fundamentally I Don't Believe One Party Should Control all Branches of Government

I think the GOP may make some gains in the Senate and could take it over. I can't think of anything more funny I would hear than the GOP ****ing about an "obstructionist" Senate that has between 45-49 votes (this would happen if PerRomneyCain were President as well) blocking their legislative priorities. I enjoy gridlock and find it amusing, even though it completely sucks for a President.

7) The GOP Claims about Obama Being a Socialist and Fundamentally Changing the Country are Total BS

This may be one of the stronger reactions I have. I think it's ridiculous to brainwash (or try to) half the country that our President is a marxist-socialist-radical; yet that is what the GOP through their talk radio / Fox News proxies have done. Are there policy differences between the party? Absolutely. Big enough such that Obama can be labeled a radical? Hardly. Yet this fear-mongering has been so effective, it's easy to understand why it doesn't stop. Every time he gives a speech I hear the right-wing chatterheads scream from the roottops, "He's campaigning, he doesn't care about jobs, he's campaigning, this is a re-election plan." As if the GOP isn't campaigning, and glossing over the fact that the private sector is having a hard time creating jobs themselves (oh and somehow this is the President's fault).

All that being said, both parties are at the core corrupted (otherwise, why do companies continue to shell out $$$ for lobbyists) and put on a friendly outer shell. The moment a viable 3rd party candidate (capable of getting 20-30% of the vote) shows up, I am most likely getting on that bandwagon (unless it's a partisan wrapped up in a third-party blanket). I don't think Obama has been as bad as the GOP wants me to believe.

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Why are you registered as a R?.....Not even I am

O gave tax cuts as well

Obamacare is a disaster

I'll agree on the debt limit being politicized,but they will hit 20 soon at this rate

Companies are over burdened with regulations....with more crap coming soon

True basic foreign policy is set by other than the President,and remains fairly stable(aside from things like responses to events such as 9/11 or Libya ect)....military response is a different matter

The line between the parties has become so blurred it is not much of a factor to me

He is socialistic in policy (though so are some Reps), to me it comes down to govt roles and area of responsibility

He will not be getting my vote.

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Man Ferg, you fell far from the liberty tree over the past couple of years. Not a knock, just an observation

Heh, liberty tree.

Jingo bells, jingo bells, jingo all the way...

Unless you were talking about the famous Liberty Tree on Boston Common, in which case he hasn't fallen far from it at all. :)

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It was a typo. He meant "Libertarian tree."

Nope, I meant Liberty specifically. Its just a very different perspective than I once saw him employ in yesteryear. Again, not bashing nor criticizing, just an interesting change in opinions over time.

---------- Post added September-29th-2011 at 12:12 PM ----------

Heh, liberty tree.

Jingo bells, jingo bells, jingo all the way...

Unless you were talking about the famous Liberty Tree on Boston Common, in which case he hasn't fallen far from it at all. :)

Not sure how using the term liberty is jingoistic at all, but whatever floats your boat I guess

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Nope, I meant Liberty specifically. Its just a very different perspective than I once saw him employ in yesteryear. Again, not bashing nor criticizing, just an interesting change in opinions over time.[

Maybe he got mugged by liberty?

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Nope, I meant Liberty specifically. Its just a very different perspective than I once saw him employ in yesteryear. Again, not bashing nor criticizing, just an interesting change in opinions over time.

Fair enough. I wasn't bashing either.

Reading between the lines, I think that Ferguson is suffering from "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome. For the past three years, the GOP and conservative media have been screaming in outrage and exaggerating in terror about everything Obama does or doesn't do, like he is about to declare a dictatorship. It keeps the base energized, but for more thoughtful guys like Ferguson, five hundred overblown melodramas have started to push him away.

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Actually, what all Americans should do is vote for candidates that aren't democrats and republicans. No, the Dems and Repubs will still be in control but can you imagine the shock if in 2012, a bunch of minor party candidates won. That's they way to get some real change is start voting other than Dems or Repubs.

As for the Healthcare Law, consider the main part of the bill doesn't go into effect until Jan. 2014; we don't know the real impact of the law.

As for foreign policy, maybe Obama is seeing the same things that Bush saw and decide to stay the course. Just saying, we don't what intel the president really gets.

I didn't vote for Obama in 08 nor plan to. I plan to vote Libertarian for the third time in a row and I don't even agree with all the things that party stands for but it's the closet to my own views.

Also, why is anyone really registered with either the Democrat or Republican party.

Your an independent and should be registered as such.

If a Republican wins in 2012; they will have complete control of government; which I agree is a bad thing. One party rule is bad for the country.

I figure the next 4 years with Obama will be the same. He gets a full Republican congress, it will be the same as it is now. Nothing much gets done and they will do is position themselves for the 2014 elections. Obama will say a do nothing congress is what's wrong with the country.

Obama gets a split congress, we already know it will be what we are getting now. Obama gets the dems back in full control; he will finish what he started in 2009-2010.

We get a right wing Repbulican in with the full congress and they will take this country to the extreme right. If successful it will be the end of the democrats as we know them. If it fails, then the Dems regain full and probably permanent control in 2014.

Should Romney be the president, I think he gets run over by congress.

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My view on this subject remains the same, and many of my neighbors hold the same view. If the voters get the government they deserve, then damn sure I deserve better than the current batch of Republican POTUS candidates.

Obama will get my vote until someone who isn't a clown or a charlatan puts their name forward as an opponent. I wish I had a better basis for electing the POTUS, but it is what it is today.

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Fair enough. I wasn't bashing either.

Reading between the lines, I think that Ferguson is suffering from "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome. For the past three years, the GOP and conservative media have been screaming in outrage and exaggerating in terror about everything Obama does or doesn't do, like he is about to declare a dictatorship. It keeps the base energized, but for more thoughtful guys like Ferguson, five hundred overblown melodramas have started to push him away.

Probably true, but I dont think Ferg was a "regular" GOP supporter (neo-con strain) to begin with. I share the views that you just mentioned as they relate to many of the clowns too.

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Probably true, but I dont think Ferg was a "regular" GOP supporter (neo-con strain) to begin with. I share the views that you just mentioned as they relate to many of the clowns too.

Sorry, but the Libertarian strain of the GOP is just as guilty of crying wolf about Obama as is the neo-con strain, IMO.

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Reading between the lines, I think that Ferguson is suffering from "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome. For the past three years, the GOP and conservative media have been screaming in outrage and exaggerating in terror about everything Obama does or doesn't do, like he is about to declare a dictatorship. It keeps the base energized, but for more thoughtful guys like Ferguson, five hundred overblown melodramas have started to push him away.
That still won't make you vote for someone you do not believe in. All his reasons bash the GOP, I'd kind of like to hear why he thinks Obama is worthy of reelection.
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That still won't make you vote for someone you do not believe in. All his reasons bash the GOP, I'd kind of like to hear why he thinks Obama is worthy of reelection.

It is the Kang and Kodos problem.

All jokes aside, our next President will be either the Democrat Obama or the GOP candidate, whoever that is. It's not just Obama running on his record, but the GOP candidate running on the GOP's record.

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Fair enough. I wasn't bashing either.

Reading between the lines, I think that Ferguson is suffering from "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome. For the past three years, the GOP and conservative media have been screaming in outrage and exaggerating in terror about everything Obama does or doesn't do, like he is about to declare a dictatorship. It keeps the base energized, but for more thoughtful guys like Ferguson, five hundred overblown melodramas have started to push him away.

i think you hit the nail on the head here. i don't post it a lot of these political threads, but often read them and have always thought of Fergasun as a hardcore Repub. I think Predicto's post perfectly explains what prompted Fergasun to create this thread

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That still won't make you vote for someone you do not believe in. All his reasons bash the GOP, I'd kind of like to hear why he thinks Obama is worthy of reelection.

He listed pretty much every current GOP position on major issues, and explained why he thinks it's BS.

In other words, Obama may be worthy of reelection simply because he would keep the GOP out of the White House.

On the other hand , of course, politicians never do as they promise... so it is possible that the current crop of GOP nominees would, if elected, base their policies on reality, science, and other such things... This is a chance I'd be willing to take with Huntsman, for example, but not others.

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Not sure how using the term liberty is jingoistic at all, but whatever floats your boat I guess

Sorry, lower case threw me off and I didn't realize that liberty = Liberty. My bad.

Reading it as liberty the concept instead of Liberty the dude, it read like a suggestion that the OP's reasons for voting Obama made him a passive opponent of liberty (the concept). A passive-aggressive presumed notion that only one side reads from the proper dictionary when it comes to understanding liberty, etc., which I detect a lot of in political discussions all over the place these days.

Sorry to have misread it.

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