Brown 43 Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Here it is!<br /><br /><a href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0328/1359426.html" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0328/1359426.html</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trevor Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Seems like too much money. Guess we'll have to wait until the specifics of the deal become clearer. I would wager that this means the end of Marco Coleman's days here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 GOOD CATCH BROWN!!!<br /><br />AT last soem real news to debate!!<br /><br />I think we got rooked!! Twenty million for a LEFT DE that isn't a pass rusher??? That seems liek an awful lot of loot to me. Guess we really are desperate though.<br /><br />Looks like no Blake (fine with me) and no Sam Adams (OUCH!!!). I wonder how much the signing bonus was?<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Redskins get defensive help with addition of Wynn<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />By John Clayton<br />ESPN.com<br /><br /> <br />The Redskins, who spent less than $2 million in signing bonuses combined on their first five free agents, made their biggest free agent acquisition Thursday by agreeing to a six-year, $20 million contract with Jaguars defensive end Renaldo Wynn.<br /><br />Wynn was a first-round choice of the Jaguars in 1997 and was considered one of the best remaining players in free agency. He had been pursued by the Saints, Seahawks, Packers and others before reaching agreement with the Redskins.<br /><br />The 6-foot-3, 288-pound end was a cap casualty of the Jaguars in February. Last year he renegotiated an option clause into his Jaguars contract that would make him a free agent this season. The former Notre Dame lineman is known for his solid run-stopping ability along with having some pass-rushing skills. Wynn had five sacks last season for the Jaguars last season.<br /> <br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 nah, knowing Mendes, its probably a rear ended contract where he'll either get released or renegotiate before he actually sees the money. That is probably really something like a $10 million dollar contract with a 3 or 4 mil bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 This means that Bruce knows he'll be used on passing downs and can stay fresh and get his sacks. I like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Very good catch, Brown. This gives us some much needed depth and youth on the line. Of course, we still need a DT, but this was definitely an impact signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Wynn's numbers just don't seem too impressive to me. Do the 'skins think he is about to have a break out year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 With the Marv Lewis system, I think anyone COULD have a breakout year. Lewis MUST of said he wants that guy. Its good to see that we're working on the D still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 this move for Wynn and others to sign offensive linemen like Semple before the draft could indicate that the Redskins are going to use the #1 draft choice on a receiver.<br /><br />I could still see the Redskins using the #2 for a DT or OG, but now that top pick to me looks more and more like the spot to take a playmaker on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Guess Marco is a gonner.I would feel alot getter if we had signed a DT but something is better than nothing at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 From the Jags site:<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Versatile fifth-year lineman who had the best season of his career in 2000 … Has started games at all four positions on Jaguars’ defensive line … Former first-round draft choice is a productive but too often unnoticed player … Mans the left (strongside) defensive end position … Has started 47 of 57 NFL games played, with 14 starts at defensive tackle (both sides), nine at right defensive end and 24 at left defensive end … Noted as a run-stuffer, but he can also rush the passer … Highest-drafted defensive lineman by Jaguars until Marcus Stroud this year … Has career totals of 210 tackles (85 solo), 8.5 sacks, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery … Missed the 1998 postseason with a torn groin muscle … First-round draft choice in 1997 who was named to several All-Rookie teams after making eight starts … <br /><br />2000: Had fine season, starting 14 games at strongside defensive end … Made 55 tackles (career-high 26 solo), as well as a personal-best 3.5 sacks, two tackles for loss, 15 QB pressures and one forced fumble … Had two stellar games against the Ravens. Made 1.5 sacks on Sept. 10 at Baltimore (of Tony Banks). Added three tackles, one QB pressure and one forced fumble. Then, on Oct. 8, made season-high 10 tackles … In Sept. 17 home opener vs. Cincinnati, received defense game ball along with 13 other players for team’s first shutout … Suffered knee injury late in fourth quarter on Oct. 16 at Tennessee and was inactive next two games … Returned Nov. 12 vs Seattle, making seven tackles … Got sack and three QB pressures of Kordell Stewart on Nov. 19 at Pittsburgh, receiving the defense game ball … In Dec. 23 season finale at N.Y. Giants, made four tackles and a sack (of Kerry Collins), giving him a career-high 3.5 for the season … <br /><br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.jaguars.com/lockerroom/lockerroom.asp?s=bio&p=85" target="_blank">http://www.jaguars.com/lockerroom/lockerroom.asp?s=bio&p=85</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 No word on the signing bonus -- that's the only money that matters.<br /><br />Considering Smith is 87 years old, Coleman is all but gone (unless he takes a drastic pay cut), and we have no one to play alongside big daddy, Wynn can play all four spots solidly, if unspectacularly. Not a bad pick up.<br /><br />Dear God let us draft a bonafide DT early this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I dunno man, right now I'm thinking OG (Original Gangsta) at the #1 spot. Given how many receivers we have in camp, is WR even close to the prudent thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 It all depends on the amount of the signing bonus in determining if the team got value. Given the team's tendency this offseason, I would wager that it is relatively modest.<br /><br />It seems fairly comparable to the contract Lang got with the Browns. And Wynn is an upgrade over Lang, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDC Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 We gotta get some DT's in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I agree TCO,I see no sense in drafting a WR.We still have too many holes to fill on both lines.<br /><br />Isn't it funny how Champ restructures and we pick some up the very next day. Who's next to step up and free up some dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 This was written after he was drafted by the Jags:<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Round 1 - Pick 21 - Renaldo Wynn - DT - Notre Dame - 6-3, 288<br />Wynn shot up the draft board in recent weeks thanks to strong individual workouts. Has tremendous speed and strength and keeps getting bigger and stronger. Has the body of a defensive tackle but the quickness to play outside. Works hard and continues to learn how to shed blockers and recognize plays. Is almost a can’t miss quality player thanks to his work ethic and athleticism. <br /><br />Summary: Will immediately push both John Jurkovic and Don Davey for playing time and should be a starter early in the season. As I said two years from know The Jaguars are going to be happy that Gilbert Brown wanted to keep his one dimensional game in Green Bay. Grade: B+ <br /><br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.iis-sports.com/draft/team/jaguars.html" target="_blank">http://www.iis-sports.com/draft/team/jaguars.html</a><br /><br />Looks like he's a serious born again Christian. The next Reggie White perhaps? <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Check this out:<br /> <br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Renaldo Wynn<br />Jacksonville Jaguars<br /><br />Prayer changes things. Renaldo Wynn of the Jacksonville Jaguars knows that first hand. In 1996, Wynn was going about his business as a college football player when his thoughts and attitudes about life began to change. The reason? Friends and teammates were praying for him and, according to James 5:16 (the prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective), God was beginning to convict him. Not long after, Wynn, who became the highest-drafted defensive lineman ever by the<br />Jaguars when he was selected with the 21st overall pick in the 1997 draft, began considering the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. "Ï remember thinking ‘am I going to have any fun once I get saved?’" Wynn said. <br /><br />It didn’t take long to get his answer. "I’ve had more fun than I ever thought I would," said the 280-pound Wynn, who was named to several All-Rookie teams after he 1997 season. "The things I used to do I didn’t want to do anymore, " he said. The wealth and fame of a National Football League career wasn’t the reason for his fulfillment any longer—a relationship with God was. "Now, I’m full of joy, everlasting joy no one can take away from me." <br /><br />Wynn is preparing for his fourth NFL season, improving as a player and experiencing a deeper walk in his faith in Christ. He now finds himself praying for others, the way his teammates and friends did for him a few years ago. "God is using me as a tool to help them know Christ, coming to Christ and to be saved," Wynn said. "It’s a wonderful thing, praying for these guys..." <br /><br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.christiansportsminute.com/renaldo_wynn.htm" target="_blank">http://www.christiansportsminute.com/renaldo_wynn.htm</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I agree we need DT's but let's look at this as a process.<br /><br />First we get Wynn at 27 to start at LE and that allows us to release Marco Coleman and free up $3.5 million after June 1.<br /><br />With either the #1 or #2 pick we get a DL prospect capable of contributing in 2002.<br /><br />Then we go out and sign a younger veteran who was a post June 1 cap casualty with some of that extra $3.5 million.<br /><br />That way we get Wynn, another veteran younger than Coleman and a high draft choice to go with Wilkinson and Smith.<br /><br />Depending on who we get with that pick and what other veteran we can sign (which we won't know for awhile) we could end up with a good defensive line and one both much younger and with better size than the one we had last season.<br /><br />Depending on the upfront dollars, Wynn is a better bet on the DL right now than Kenard Lang was.<br /><br />Wynn played the spot last year I think he will play here.<br /><br />Lang on the other hand is being counted on to move to a position in Cleveland that he has not played in TWO years.<br /><br />And the last time Kenard played defensive end he struggled against the run and showed no greater pass rush ability than Wynn did last year. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Let's face it. This was a one for one trade, Wynn for Lang.<br /><br />Both were #1 picks in 1997, both were UFA's and both signed for around the same money.<br /><br />And both are projected to play the same position.<br /><br />Wynn to me is an upgrade at 6'3 and 290 because he is stronger at the point of attack in stopping the run, something we have not had at both end spots in quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Sorry about the triple post.I received some error message that stated something very rare happened, and it looks like this was the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Depending somewhat on the signing bonus, this seems like a superb pick-up. Basically, he's a younger Marco Coleman. Yeah, we need DT, but we'll never possibly be able to afford Adams, so fill the DE spot when you can. This probably does kill any Blake signing, but I can deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by wildbill:<br /><strong>Sorry about the triple post.I received some error message that stated something very rare happened, and it looks like this was the outcome.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I thought you were trying to get to 300 posts the easy way! <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:<br /><br />Is Wynn the type of DE that would be well suited to a 3-4 defensive scheme? <br /><br />Not suggetsing anything (YET) just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I don't think the Redskins are going to run a 3-4 but Wynn seems to have the skills to play DE in that scheme. He has good size at 290 and good quickness and can anchor the the line against the run on his side.<br /><br />Whether Wynn and other DL are going to look at the 3-4 as a preferred scheme, that is another story.<br /><br />Some guys careers are made in a 3-4 but the scheme is limiting for players that see themselves as playmakers because everything flows to the linebackers.<br /><br />That is the biggest reasons you won't see it here.<br /><br />Both Wilkinson and Smith are misfit for the 3-4 based on their style of play. <br /><br />Remember that when Smith was in the 3-4 in Buffalo he carried a lot more weight on him. He is now around 265 but was up to almost 295 when he came out of school and was as big as 280 until a couple of seasons ago.<br /><br />You could move Wilkinson outside to end in a 3-4 and bring in a guy to play the nose, but playing end was one of the reasons Daddy forced the Bengals to trade him.......he wanted to go back to tackle in the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Bulldog - Actually, I think this is a 2 for 2 trade. I think it's Wynn and Adams for Lang and Coleman. All in all I think that's a very good tradeoff.<br /><br />I was probably the most skeptical about signing Adams as anyone on this board. Now it's virtually certain Coleman will be released and if the Skins do in fact free up $3.5 million... that's going to Sam Adams. I couldn't be more certain of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Elaborating further... if the Skins draft DE Kalimba Edwards - and draft a WR/QB/G in the second round - as a spot DE for Bruce Smith... I think the defense has the potential to be something very special next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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