Conn Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I think the whole "he's not a 3-4 LB" argument is BS. I understand that some players will fit better in certian schemes while others will not. However, to insinuate that "he's not a 3-4 LB" or that he cannot play in the 3-4 is a crock of $#!#. He is a PRO ATHLETE and he can make adjustments. Someone tell London Fletcher he cannot breakup passes to WR's 40 yards down field. Rocky isn't Fletch. You're looking at it very simplistically. Rocky didn't fit. Not all "pro athletes" can play in all schemes. ---------- Post added August-3rd-2011 at 11:06 PM ---------- Rocky might've been re-signed at this time because Haslett may not be too pleased with Riley's progress. The latter point was expressed by John Keim.john_keim John Keim Earlier today, haslett talked about perry riley and how much he had to learn. Haz did not sound as if he thought perry was ready All I've read about is praise for Riley so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skadden Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 Rocky isn't Fletch.You're looking at it very simplistically. Rocky didn't fit. Not all "pro athletes" can play in all schemes. ---------- Post added August-3rd-2011 at 11:06 PM ---------- All I've read about is praise for Riley so far. Yes, I've heard that the organization was so high on him that it made Rocky expendable. But who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here...I think he'll be playing outside. You may be right, when we run 4-3 looks. Otherwise I don't think he has the pass-rush ability to see many productive snaps at OLB in the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I like Rocky a lot in the 4-3. I think he's poorly cast in the 3-4. what exactly does that mean at the ILB spot? That he forgets how to run, cover, and tackle when someone is standing to his right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 As another ESer pointed out in the Tatupu thread. A tweet from Rick Maese and hour ago. RickMaese Rick Maese Sounds like LB Lofa Tatupu is in DC area this evening. We'll see if Redskins can hammer out a deal tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPAllTheWay012 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 YES!!! Very happy by this move. I was really disappointing when everything pointed to us not bringing him back. I don't think he necessarily played bad last season but I agree he didn't seem to fit the "mold". I'm sure Rocky is gonna be a beast this year if he gets a chance. Underrated and good character guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I cannot understand why anybody would consider this a surprise. Given the 90 man roster, we would almost certainly start with 6-8, we have 6 but one is on the PUP. With the lockout, one of the best alternatives for filling the bottom part of your roster was going to be youngish guys who played for you last year. The only other ILB we seemed to be interested in was Tatupu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Rocky might've been re-signed at this time because Haslett may not be too pleased with Riley's progress. The latter point was expressed by John Keim.john_keim John Keim Earlier today, haslett talked about perry riley and how much he had to learn. Haz did not sound as if he thought perry was ready Well there you have it. There's our inside linebacker. Guess Perry isn't ready. That's fine. Depth is good. And Rocky can play it. He's versatile. Let's not forget that London got white washed a lot last year as well. The improved line play will lead to improved Backer play. His size made him imperfect for the position, but not his skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIN4WAHOOZ Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Rocky isn't Fletch.You're looking at it very simplistically. Rocky didn't fit. Not all "pro athletes" can play in all schemes. ---------- Post added August-3rd-2011 at 11:06 PM ---------- Well I guess thats why Rocky was just re-signed. To play in a scheme that he cant play in. Makes sense to me. All I've read about is praise for Riley so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skadden Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 what exactly does that mean at the ILB spot? That he forgets how to run, cover, and tackle when someone is standing to his right? LBs are asked to do a lot more in the 3-4 than in the 4-3. Remember, for instance, Haslett's look where he lined up six or seven linemen / LBs, almost all of whom were standing up. That might fool the opposing team. But it might also fool your own players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2victory Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Ok.... Hope he can adjust better to the 3-4 this time around...... But if not, I hope the coaches wont put him in as the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skadden Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 Well there you have it. There's our inside linebacker. Guess Perry isn't ready. That's fine. Depth is good. And Rocky can play it. He's versatile. Let's not forget that London got white washed a lot last year as well. The improved line play will lead to improved Backer play. His size made him imperfect for the position, but not his skill set. Like someone else here said, all I've heard up to now was rave reviews about Riley. I was surprised to see that tweet from Keim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 What's with all the decent vets signing one year deals? I would have thought that second-tier guys think Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Ryan Harris, Richard Marshall, and Stephen Tulloch would have gotten very respectable, multi-year deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 what exactly does that mean at the ILB spot? That he forgets how to run, cover, and tackle when someone is standing to his right? Inside backer is a different position regardless of 4-3 or 3-4. There's more congestion and you have multiple coverage gaps against large bodies. On the outside you protect outside, forcing things in. You're in space. You can see plays develop and attack upfield and usually you're against smaller players. In the 3-4, on the outside, you have pass rush responsibilities you do not typically have as a 4-3 outside backer. It has nothing to do about forgetting how to run, cover or tackle. It has everything to do with playing in an entirely different world. Inside is a hard spot to play when you don't play it. Vision alone is hard to adjust to. As I said, Rocky had a good year from a stat standpoint, but he was not a player we recognize as having a good year in actuality. Positioning, shading too far in his gap responsibility, being overpowered in matchups against bigger players and the rest were weak for him. Not to mention he's suddenly covering routes he's not had to cover before. It's all learnable over time, but it's a very hard transition. Now, in the 4-3 I really like him as a weakside backer. He's got a nice skillset for that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I hope Perry can beat him out for the job. I must say this kind of confuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amm0409 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Just another body in camp see what happens? Anyone can win the starting job just have to wait and see right? Oh God what B.S. How bout these Apples? Package deal; Cooley, McIntosh for a LB? Shucks, why not add London Fletcher in that package as well? Im sure I'll get ripped by the thought of that (who are we going to get, and everyone praising Cooley and Fletcher as leaders etc..). Yes all three!!! What could we get (OL, LB, picks or OL+LB?) Just a thought dont get crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dro89 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 nah i dont like this signing at all.. bad fit.. great guy.. but i dont dig the fit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I think the whole "he's not a 3-4 LB" argument is BS. I understand that some players will fit better in certian schemes while others will not. However, to insinuate that "he's not a 3-4 LB" or that he cannot play in the 3-4 is a crock of $#!#. He is a PRO ATHLETE and he can make adjustments. Someone tell London Fletcher he cannot breakup passes to WR's 40 yards down field. I don't really know what London Fletcher has to do with McIntosh not fitting into the 3-4 defense. Some players can make the adjustment and play in multiple schemes and some can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amm0409 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I hope Perry can beat him out for the job.I must say this kind of confuses me. I want to see some other guys for sure. Im looking forward to next weeks first pre-season game to get a taste of some of the new faces as well etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here...I think he'll be playing outside. I think that's even more of a pipe dream now than it was when you first proposed the idea last offseason. Nothing about what Haslett has done so far would indicate that he'd have interest in sticking a player like Rocky on the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newage_hog Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Training camp with no OTA's has a lot to do with this. If you are a coach, you want guys who can come in and know the playbook. I like the signing; he is a known commodity with the coaching staff. If he beats out the other guys, he deserves to start, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Just another body in camp see what happens? Anyone can win the starting job just have to wait and see right? Oh God what B.S.How bout these Apples? Package deal; Cooley, McIntosh for a LB? Shucks, why not add London Fletcher in that package as well? Im sure I'll get ripped by the thought of that (who are we going to get, and everyone praising Cooley and Fletcher as leaders etc..). Yes all three!!! What could we get (OL, LB, picks or OL+LB?) Just a thought dont get crazy Yeahh...you should take your own advice and not get crazy. This isn't Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I doubt Lofa will sign, he's just wants a free meal at Mortons like Joey Porter did to us last season. Besides wouldn't signing Lofa mean Riley is out as starter??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Today has been a head scratcher. Golston, Doughty, and now Rocky. WOW. I guess we can't convince anyone else to come in on a 1 year deal except for our own guys who couldn't garner any interest elsewhere. I don't hate this move as long as Rocky is strictly a backup and takes on Blades for his position. If Rocky is coming in to compete for the starting job than its just a plain stupid move. He has bad knees, looked lost in the 3-4, and isn't the sideline to sideline type. Where's the upside here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIN4WAHOOZ Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I don't really know what London Fletcher has to do with McIntosh not fitting into the 3-4 defense. Some players can make the adjustment and play in multiple schemes and some can't. WOW...Ok. Lets just forget about the Fletcher thing then... So you are saying that some players can make adjustments and play other schemes and some cant. Then are you also saying that 1 year under a new coach and a new scheme is plenty of time for a typical 4-3 LB to make adjustments and transition to the 3-4 and Rocky couldnt do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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