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Just when you thought the Lions were primed to contend, BAM!

Torain would be a good fit, though. Best is the speed guy and ATV would plow the road.

I still like the Lions to contend,not sold on the Vikes #5 or not.

Yes Torain would be better behind the Lions Oline vs the Cards but Shanny really likesTorain. Do you think he's willingly to roll the dice on THT/Helu/Royster? I'm not so sure.

This would be a golden opportunity for James Davis had he not seen fit to behave like my 3 year old neice when I tell her to wait for dessert after dinner. Even Draughn or Keiland Williams could be viable possibilites..should be interesting to see what happens in the next few days.

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I have but one complaint with Mr Hightower.

Get a freaking haircut! If I was an opposing defender I'd yank those locks so hard you'd think you were in Dallas with all the stars you'd be seeing. Sort it out!

That is all.

Hail.

I like the dreads on THT personally speaking;)

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With Williams injured this reminds me of Highschool. Arizona is probally screaming: ''trade back, trade back....this isn't fair. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeh.''

Love to hear that does kids found out that I ripped them...I was pure evil in HS. ;)

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I like the dreads on THT personally speaking;)

Bear Woods....my favorite dreads player. The name is also amazing.

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With Williams injured this reminds me of Highschool. Arizona is probally screaming: ''trade back, trade back....this isn't fair. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeh.''

Love to hear that does kids found out that I ripped them...I was pure evil in HS. ;)

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Ha! I hope they don't go to the principle(Goddell) and tell'em we stole from them.

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I like the dreads on THT personally speaking;)

Bear Woods....my favorite dreads player. The name is also amazing.

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And here's me thinking I got lucky with the feed I was watching being the Colts guys. (Who are the most bland, boring, one tone voices imaginable. And they have Peyton for Pete's sake. Sheez.).

Hail.

Charles Mann God bless his soul was so flippin' awkward doing the sideline interviews with the Skins players #cringeworthy# http://deadspin.com/5832852/charles-mann-will-have-you-know-that-hes-totally-straight

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Don't encourage her man for crying out loud. She's already had me double humphing. Any more confusing and my ickle head will explode.

*'Tis one heck of a cool name though. Wonder if he got his extensions at the same place THT did? :movefast:

Hail.

Hey I need no encouragement :ols:

bear woods....my favorite dreads player. The name is also amazing.

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Charles Mann God bless his soul was so flippin' awkward doing the sideline interviews with the Skins players #cringeworthy# http://deadspin.com/5832852/charles-mann-will-have-you-know-that-hes-totally-straight

Now see, his partner in crime Dexter (no pun intended on the TV show) would of just said "Your looking fine LaRon. Hell, I'd do you!" and it would of been unintentionally hilarious because that's Dex.

Lol @ Mann, bless him. See I get that, as there's an unwritten guy thang about not being able to compliment another guy's look's without the Universal preface of "I say this in a totally non-gay way but ..... " Don't ask, we're simple beings.

See the problems talking about a guys (alleged fake) hair causes? Dayum you.

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Too much information? ;)

I'ma NOT touching that one .....

Hail.

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That's what she said!

...or maybe not...

:paranoid:

I'm saying nothing more for fear of incrimination. I've been confused enough to be blank minded and out witted by a dayum smarter mind already this afternoon.

I'ma take the advice of the cute cuddly Penguins (said in a totally non-gay way :silly:) and I'll just smile and wave.

BTW, what's this thread about again?

Hail.

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Now see, his partner in crime Dexter (no pun intended on the TV show) would of just said "Your looking fine LaRon. Hell, I'd do you!" and it would of been unintentionally hilarious because that's Dex.

Lol @ Mann, bless him. See I get that, as there's an unwritten guy thang about not being able to compliment another guy's look's without the Universal preface of "I say this in a totally non-gay way but ..... " Don't ask, we're simple beings.

See the problems talking about a guys (alleged fake) hair causes? Dayum you.

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I'ma NOT touching that one .....

Hail.

I'll never understand why it's unmanly (no pun intended) to compliment another guy?

I agree Dex would be the perfect sideline reporter who knows what he would say :ols:

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I'll never understand why it's unmanly (no pun intended) to compliment another guy?

*Checks there's no other guys in the room :paranoid: .....

:secret: My neighbours can kinda' testify to me screaming "I want that man's baby's" to the dude your screenie's a homage to that Monday night down in Dallas a few years back if that counts.

Hail.

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*Checks there's no other guys in the room :paranoid: .....

:secret: My neighbours can kinda' testify to me screaming "I want that man's baby's" to the dude your screenie's a homage to that Monday night down in Dallas a few years back if that counts.

Hail.

:ols: :ols:

It can happen to the best of us in a great moment *hug*

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JB wasn't necessarily a great deal since we could have gotten him in FA this year and he didn't play well last season. But whatever, he's extended and here and ready to go instead of bringing in a new guy who'd have to learn the playbook form scratch.

I didn't care for the Jarmon and Justin Tryon trades. Tryon ended up haunting us a little because he became Indy's top CB and a quality starter that season and Phil Buchanon had a rough year up until the final few games. Fortunately, the loss of Jarmon's value as a pass rushing lineman is replaced by the subsequent signing of Bown and Cofield, both of whom are better players. Gaffney also has a chance for steady production here and adds another seasoned greybeard to a WR corps filled with rookies and sophomores.

I also wouldn't necessarily count the value we got in return for Campbell, McNabb, and Haynesworth as "wins." Keep in mind that Campbell was a youngish starting QB and we got what ammounted to a 6th rounder for him at the time of the deal. That's not very good. Then again, that pick increases in value as each season passes to it matches it's real value, so a fourth round pick two years down the road is somewhat more valuable than an immediate sixth rounder.

At least we got something in return for them, and in general, this FO has acquired more picks than they've traded away. All these late rounders really add up too when you get these DeJon Gomes and Evan Royster like finds.

Carriker was probably their best deal in terms of getting the most bang for your buck. A pretty good starting defensive lineman for what, some fifth round positioning? That's phenomenal.

Hightower was an awesome deal too, you know he can put up huge numbers in this offense. It's tempered a bit by the fact that it involved the loss our best defensive lineman from the season before as well as a team leader. But all sources seem to indicate that Vonnie was going to be released anyway so that's not even a real cost of the trade. I like to think of it this way--half of McNabb got us Tim Hightower. That seems like a fantastic return value on the McNabb and Hightower trades this offseason when you put it like that.

If Beck ends up being good, that'll be the FO's coup though. Getting a quality starting QB for Doug Dutch is ridiculous. Look at what the Chiefs, Texans, and Cardinals had to pay for Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, and Kevin Kolb. Schaub's a stud but it wouldn't surprise me if Beck has a better year than Kolb and Cassel. Then again, it would surprise me even less if Beck has a rough first year and gets benched.

When this FO restricts itself to making low key trades for mid to late round picks and lesser known guys who've flamed out in their old location or only got a chance for spot duty, they've been extremely productive. They've killed almost every single one of these types of trades while risking little. It's the big deals like the McNabb acquisition that they need to avoid. Everyone should avoid such trades. I think a good rule of thumb is don't trade first or second round picks for players over 30. Too risky with too little upside.

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Also, don't forget how good this FO has been at using UDFA to get valuable contributors. Anthony Armstrong was such a terrific find and you have to love Banks. And the draft day trade downs have done a lot to flush the roster young players--18 draft picks in the last two years is a lot.

I hope we're talking about Eric McBride and Willie Smith as UDFA gems at this point a year or two from now.

Im not sure how you cant love the Jarmon trade? He was not a good 3-4 DE, he wasn't a good 3-4 OLB either. We traded him straight up for a WR that is primed to have a breakout year for us, has looked nothing but solid so far in camp and two games and will be our #2 WR. IMO we raped Denver in that trade.

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I still like the Lions to contend,not sold on the Vikes #5 or not.

Disagree on that one. I find it funny that the media keeps pumping up Detroit every year after the draft for how well they drafted yet the are still bottow dwellers. I think Stafford is nothing but garbage. Hated him coming out of college and still do. He never struck me as a franchise QB, let alone a #1 overall pick. Detroit continues to draft flash players over MAJOR needs. Since drafting Stafford they have drafted three OL total and NONE inside of the 4th round. Two were 7th rounders. Their OL is a hot mess. Megatron has the skill to be the most dominant WR in the league but has yet to do it. There were even talks about moving him this past offseason. The draft two RBs in the first two rounds in back to back years. Best has been average so far and Leshoure is now down for the year. There WRs outside of Johnson are nothing and their TE is nothing special. No doubt they hit a homerun with Suh and him teamed with Fairley could be deadly but he is hurt as well and has a lot of red flags. To me the Fairley pick smells just like the Landry pick when we had ST. Everyone ripped us for the overkill and yet praises them for theirs. I would have for sure used that pick on a different player that could have helped solidify other areas. Pouncey, Solder, Amukamara, Castanzo or Carimi would have all been solid picks for them and filled a major need.

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