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I'd say that he is a pragmatic moderate-liberal. He dreams big, but expects to compromise and make deals. Definately on the left and not center, but much closer to the center than the fringe. Unfortunately, he's been saddled with obstinate idiots on both aisles of Congress.

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I would have said left leaning a few weeks ago, but he's actually talking about cutting medicare and social security spending... ain't nothing liberal about that. Throw in stuff like keeping the Patriot Act together, Afghanistan policy, and other stuff, and I put him as a centrist.

I agree "pragmatist" might be the best answer.

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far too concilliatory and middle of the road for my tastes. the right has utterly no interest in meeting him halfway as he'd like, so why bother? he should have used his window of fillibuster-proof majority to ram home a bunch of leftist policies, instead of wasting months writing concession after concession into the health care bill only to have the GOP decry it as pure socialist evil anyway.

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also, i wish this poll were public. anonymous polls get ballot-stuffed by people who just clear their cookies and vote a million times without being logged in.

Also, there should be two different polls, IMO. One for his philosophy,and one for his practice. I'd say is philosophy is FAR left, but in practice he's much closer to the center.

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I think he'd like to be well to the left of the center, but his desires are irrelevant. The fact is he pushes a pretty centrist policy platform, or, at least, it's certainly far more centrist than either conservatives or liberals expected.

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Also, there should be two different polls, IMO. One for his philosophy,and one for his practice. I'd say is philosophy is FAR left, but in practice he's much closer to the center.

You beat me to it.....

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I agree with Burgold's assessment, and I'd put him just a little further right that HH's graph (nice, by the way).

I think he was probably a lot more left when elected, but the reality of certain situations moved him towards the center.

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Also, there should be two different polls, IMO. One for his philosophy,and one for his practice. I'd say is philosophy is FAR left, but in practice he's much closer to the center.

Agreed, but for his actual practice, I'd say he's a left leaning centrist.

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I agree with Burgold's assessment, and I'd put him just a little further right that HH's graph (nice, by the way).

And I think you'd be absolutely fair in doing so. It's not at all unreasonable to think that my own views cause me to see him as slightly further left than he actually may be.

Agreed, but for his actual practice, I'd say he's a left leaning centrist.

I think you're right (correct, not conservative. :ols:) As I said, my own views certainly influence my judgment.

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And I think you'd be absolutely fair in doing so. It's not at all unreasonable to think that my own views cause me to see him as slightly further left than he actually may be.

I think you're right (correct, not conservative. :ols:) As I said, my own views certainly influence my judgment.

I really think he ran wanting to be the next great liberal president (a la LBJ, FDR, JFK) but reality, as well as the Republican party's ever growing fringe right following, has forced him to move toward the center.

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I'd say socially he's very left, fiscally he's a centrist and his foreign policy is right-leaning.

Overall I'd say slightly left-leaning. Although I agree that if he could be, he'd be much more fiscally liberal.

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I really think he ran wanting to be the next great liberal president (a la LBJ, FDR, JFK) but reality, as well as the Republican party's ever growing fringe right following, has forced him to move toward the center.

I definitely heard JFK's voice in his Selma speech. (I know I keep going back to that, but I think it was his best, and the one that resonated most with me.) When, on the anniversary of the marches, he was telling an AME church (paraphrasing) that "we need to do everything we can to fix our own house first, and only then ask the government for help."

I can get behind that. Who can't? If there is anyone who can't, I don't want to associate with them politically.

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I'd describe him as a pragmatist foremost but also a neo-socialist who envisions a much larger role for gov't in all aspects. He's a product of gov't so it's what he knows. I just wish he had more value and understanding of (and for) small business.

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Interesting poll. Some of the responses are also interesting, and expect.

I wonder how many people who believe Obama is "far left" are actually familiar with far left ideologies? Because if you actually go to far left websites they do not consider Obama to be a "fellow traveler." Contrary to that, they think he is a corporatist, not one of "them."

And here is the thing: In leftist ideologies, there are always conservatives and moderates and radicals. Take the Soviet Union -- Stalin and many of its rulers were fuddy-duddies (especially since Stalin came from Georgia, a rather conservative region), and they opposed those leftists in the revolutionary ranks who were often democratic socialists or anarchists. Lenin was the same way, though he was originally a democratic "centrist," he became involved in the revolution while opposing the more "radical" leftist elements. (And we have to remember that "radicalism" is a subjective term, too.)

The Soviet Union was not some liberal paradise -- you didn't see a "free love" 60s rebellion there supported by the government, because they were ruled by old farts -- radicals? Hardly. That became evident after the 1917 Russian revolution, when the Soviet Union was founded on the back of a religious, conservative nation.

Look at Greece -- what government is pushing through the austerity measures there? The socialists. Radicals? Tell that to the rioters.

At the most, Obama is a sort of social democrat, who are generally considered moderate, revisionist, and often conservative -- especially by the "far left." Capitalism is not going away in Europe, nor would it disappear here in the U.S. People here in the states, especially after too much bad, misinformed media, just don't know a great deal about the true scale of politics, because the American system has distorted it, to the degree that a left-of-center-moderate sort of guy in Obama is a considered "radical leftist."

Go tell that to anarchists and they will laugh in your face.

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