Big Blue Joe Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Yup. Okung was the bigger, oaf-ier roadplow type LT. Not a fit at all in the ZBS, which Silverback is perfect in.IMO, that's a terrible justification for drafting a player, especially a top 5 pick. You can't draft a lesser player just because he fits your scheme. For instance, Orakpo didn't seem like a very good fit for the 4-3 defense the Skins used to run. But the team would have been crazy to pass on him just because of that.As for the list I don't agree with it at all. While Williams was a solid run blocker, he struggled significantly in pass protection, more than any of the other starting LT's. I would have ranked him fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Trent Williams was up and down for most of the season. I think he was a wise pick but it's still too early to say if he will be a starter for a decade or a bust. Sometimes he looked the part, others he looked awful. He's very much a TBD player right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 And how do you back that up? For a rookie, he did a damn good job against a murderer's row of pass rushers.I agree with ATLredskin. Too many sacks and holds.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Hog Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 And how do you back that up? For a rookie, he did a damn good job against a murderer's row of pass rushers. I agree. Also, LT is not a position people come into right from college and dominate. The O-Line takes at least 2 solid years to gel. I'm going to hold off being too critical on Trent Williams until later this year or next year. I think we're gonna see good things from him, and once the O-Line gets better Guards and a better Center in place, we might have a pretty solid line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 IMO, that's a terrible justification for drafting a player, especially a top 5 pick. You can't draft a lesser player just because he fits your scheme. For instance, Orakpo didn't seem like a very good fit for the 4-3 defense the Skins used to run. But the team would have been crazy to pass on him just because of that.As for the list I don't agree with it at all. While Williams was a solid run blocker, he struggled significantly in pass protection, more than any of the other starting LT's. I would have ranked him fourth. Okung and Williams were 1A and 1B. It wasn't like it was trying to decide between Joe Thomas and Trent Williams, or when the Raiders picked DHB over Crabtree. They were pretty much a coinflip between the two, with Trent being the more athletic (better fit for the ZBS) one. I agree with ATLredskin. Too many sacks and holds.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/ Not trying to argue with the numbers, but he DID have one of the hardest rookie campaigns for a LT ever. Mario Williams, DeMarcus Ware x2, Osi Umenyiora x2, Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews, and I'm probably forgetting some. Numbers aside, he did fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Can you imagine the rockin' tattoos Pryor could get by trading genuine Redskins equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 Can you imagine the rockin' tattoos Pryor could get by trading genuine Redskins equipment? Wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Okung and Williams were 1A and 1B. It wasn't like it was trying to decide between Joe Thomas and Trent Williams, or when the Raiders picked DHB over Crabtree. They were pretty much a coinflip between the two, with Trent being the more athletic (better fit for the ZBS) one.Not trying to argue with the numbers, but he DID have one of the hardest rookie campaigns for a LT ever. Mario Williams, DeMarcus Ware x2, Osi Umenyiora x2, Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews, and I'm probably forgetting some. Numbers aside, he did fairly well. And doing this on one leg. He had a sprain that caused him to miss a couple of games. For a rookie, he wasn't Anthony Munoz, but he was solid enough. Put a better guard and center near him and he'll get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALL-LE Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 jason peters blows. he should be #1 either way not a division full of good LT's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Definitely is one of the best. I remember that one play week 1 against the Cowboys where he literally drove the Cowboy player down the field for Cooley or Portis, I forget who it was. It reminded me of the movie 'The Blind Side' when he did that to the one player. Absolutely disgusting.Let alone he's been able to hold his own against some of the best pass rushers in the game. He'll only be getting better too. Yeah, that and the first offensive play against the Bucs where he shoved DE Stylez White down the LS opening a huge hole for Torain. Stylez was shoved pretty far and had to be a little embarrassed.I believe Torain had close to 200 yards that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 He also faced Trent Cole 2x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seantaylor=god Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/ According to their formula, Silverback was 9th of the 15 WORST LTs in pass blocking. Stephon Heyer was 8th worst at RT. Not sure how legit their formula is. Lets hope Trent hasn't even come close to his ceiling and will continue to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMU Redskin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/According to their formula, Silverback was 9th of the 15 WORST LTs in pass blocking. Stephon Heyer was 8th worst at RT. Not sure how legit their formula is. Lets hope Trent hasn't even come close to his ceiling and will continue to improve. I saw this as well. Keep in mind the pass rushers he went up against last season, though: D-Ware (twice) Mario Williams Trent Cole Jared Allen Osi/Tuck (twice) Freeney Clay Mathews Peppers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Yeah, that and the first offensive play against the Bucs where he shoved DE Stylez White down the LS opening a huge hole for Torain. Stylez was shoved pretty far and had to be a little embarrassed.I believe Torain had close to 200 yards that game. That game pissed me off. He had like 150+ yards at halftime and we got away from the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMU Redskin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 He also faced Trent Cole 2x I think he missed first Eagles game w/ injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdoublebass Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Trent Williams right now is a bottom half of the league left tackle and if he play the same exact way this year then he could possibly be heading down bust road... bull **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLredskin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 bull ****...then again I don't know what i'm talking about I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel__44 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 He drafted Dumerville who did pretty well in the 3-4 And now the Broncos are switching to a 4-3. What are they going to do with a 5-11 248lb tweener? DE or OLB? His best position is as a 3-4 OLB. ---------- Post added June-14th-2011 at 08:25 PM ---------- http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/According to their formula, Silverback was 9th of the 15 WORST LTs in pass blocking. Stephon Heyer was 8th worst at RT. Not sure how legit their formula is. Lets hope Trent hasn't even come close to his ceiling and will continue to improve. The statistic they're using is defined as: ((Sacks + (0.75 * Hits) + (0.75 * Hurries)) / Pass Pro Snaps) * 100 Seems pretty straight forward. Despite the murderers row of DEs he faced last year...he has to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Rankings are funny when there are only four choices, are they seriously going to go through every position on the field within this division? They must really be struggling for material in the lockout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I agree...that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyousukeneko Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 And now the Broncos are switching to a 4-3. What are they going to do with a 5-11 248lb tweener? DE or OLB? His best position is as a 3-4 OLB.---------- Post added June-14th-2011 at 08:25 PM ---------- The statistic they're using is defined as: ((Sacks + (0.75 * Hits) + (0.75 * Hurries)) / Pass Pro Snaps) * 100 Seems pretty straight forward. Despite the murderers row of DEs he faced last year...he has to get better. From what i understand they want to line up doom more out side then a a normal DT and play kinda a undersize three four front with Robert Ayers Leonard Loius and Kevin Vickerson, and then have Von Rush the QB also some times. i really don't understand the broncos have 2 great 3-4 out side line backers but they are moving to a 4-3. well pretty much i still don't get it. so i am looking for a team to follow also. which is why i am here. but either way the skins defense still is a work they have no one other then then jarvis jenkins, they are still missing a good NT and another DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I wasn't really that impressed with him last season. A top 5 draft pick needs to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I think he missed first Eagles game w/ injury did he? you must have a better memory than me, i know he missed a little time, i don't remember if it was/wasn't against any of our division rivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 did he? you must have a better memory than me, i know he missed a little time, i don't remember if it was/wasn't against any of our division rivals Yes, he did not play the first game at Philadelphia when the Skins barely beat the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 I agree Weird...his post isn't edited, and yet your "quote" is different...:paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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