huffingtonpost.com: Dan Snyder inspires lawmakers to draft legislation to stop people from doing things Dan Snyder does

[JPCreativelab]

Why do I get the impression that the owner could offer free admission, with free refreshments for all; whilst staying on the shadows and watch Bruce and Mike put together a multiple SB winning team; and STILL there'd be those amongst the fanbase, forget those on the outside, but those amongst out own who would still refuse to accept anything the man did and continue to view him as the anti-Christ?

Hail.

throw in airfare from DFW to DC and im in!!

[SirClintonPortis]

No, they published something like 79 disparaging columns full of half-truths about Snyder and his ownership of the Redskins lol...

And wouldn't it be ironic if Snyder's lawsuit was still deemed to hold merit even after the PETITION Act came into law lol...then what would the criticism be? I don't think this article considers that possibility.

Yeah, I'm sure his charitable contributions held no positive social outcome whatsoever.

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No worse than the "idiot ****ers" who buy into every single negative article and "fact"--regardless of how inaccurate that "fact" may be--because he has made mistakes as OWNER OF THE REDSKINS! THE REDSKINS!!!

Oh, and Snyder played the cancer card when there when it was not applicable. First misstep. Then you have his PR guy talking about outstripping the asset value of the paper, thus making it ALL about the money. You want to stop misinformation and look like a dude fighting for principle rather than corporate power? Don't spread misinfo yourself and don't let your PR guy talk about causing financial harm to the other coporation. .

[addicted]

Why do I get the impression that the owner could offer free admission, with free refreshments for all; whilst staying on the shadows and watch Bruce and Mike put together a multiple SB winning team; and STILL there'd be those amongst the fanbase, forget those on the outside, but those amongst out own who would still refuse to accept anything the man did and continue to view him as the anti-Christ?

Hail.

Are you saying he doesn't deserve fan heat for all of the mistakes he's made over the years and that we should all just forget the times like this when he brings nothing but embarrassment to the team?

[SirClintonPortis]

Oh, and in the original tort in NY, he was suing for 1 MILLION dollars in damages from the article. 1 ****ing million dollars?

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Are you saying he doesn't deserve fan heat for all of the mistakes he's made over the years and that we should all just forget the times like this when he brings nothing but embarrassment to the team?

I'm saying even a blind dead man can see the dude's a completely different owner than he was through the first decade of his tenure, yet NOTHING he can do will placate many for the sins of the past. How long do you go on punishing someone for past mistakes, after they've finally wised and up and given you everything you've craved for so long?

It's gotten past the point where anyone continuing to live in the past is a WAY bigger embarrassment on this fanbase than the man their accusing of being.

Hail.

[addicted]

I'm saying even a blind dead man can see the dude's a completely different owner than he was through the first decade of his tenure, yet NOTHING he can do will placate many for the sins of the past. How long do you go on punishing someone for past mistakes, after they've finally wised and up and given you everything you've craved for so long?

Hail.

Forgiveness means that the person harmed thinks that you've changed and repented. Snyder came here after making his money through evil means and today he's in the paper for suing a newspaper. Would a championship mean that this man changed like you said? I don't think people are not liking the dude because he's not brought a championship to us yet. I think that some of you have a hard time understanding that you can love your team and not like the owner.

Articles like this:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder/

Don't get published unless there is a lot of past mistakes to repent and I can't see how anyone can say that he's changed that much. Sure he's taken a back seat lately but what's to say he won't do something devious in the future? His past sure has a lot of mistakes in there to say that he hasn't changed or learned that much. I love this team, loath the owner. I don't see how that makes me negative or less of a fan feeling this way. Once he stops being the embarrassment he has been in the past then he can be forgiven but by suing a newspaper who reported his past mistakes shows that he still is trying to control the message and that means he hasn't changed much at all. The only thing he changed was his tactics

[ouvan59]

so it is a statement of fact, but not in all cases...gotcha so you can throw that statement around, and its up to me to decide when it is fact and when its not? or is it up to you to decide when it is fact, it is fact in this case, but not the ones that you arent trying to argue?

Ummmmm, yeah. Tell me which part of this statement you don't agree with:

The Washington City Paper wrote an article about Dan Snyder that accused him of a felony (forgery).

This accusation has never been brought against him or proven.

It is a libelous statement

This is a fact

Lost in all this hate for Daniel Snyder (again deserved) is the fact that the WCP screwed up. They are in the wrong in this instance unless they can prove he forged anything. And sadly the rest of the media community is coming to their aid because they need to keep this avenue closed to other people they lible who aren't so universally hated.

[JPCreativelab]

I'm saying even a blind dead man can see the dude's a completely different owner than he was through the first decade of his tenure, yet NOTHING he can do will placate many for the sins of the past. How long do you go on punishing someone for past mistakes, after they've finally wised and up and given you everything you've craved for so long?

It's gotten past the point where anyone continuing to live in the past is a WAY bigger embarrassment on this fanbase than the man their accusing of being.

Hail.

Im not a Snyder hater, agree he has been an ass in the past and probably isnt the greatest human being on the planet, but i dont feel the need to hate the guy.

i will say that having Cerrato gone is a MAJOR difference, if he was still with the organization, I would prolly have a different view point.

[pimpumd]

Your really exposing yourself to look like a complete tool here pal. If I continue down the same path you've laid out here against me I'll likely be banned but you on the other hand can say whatever it is you want too and get away with it. That post you referenced when I said that the same ignorant posters keep bringing stupid crap up whenever I decide to post must have flown over your head because the things you wrote here are an accurate account of what I was talking about. Your part of the problem and bring nothing to the solution. Since I don't want to get banned again for bucking up against one of the longtime members here I'll just stop posting in this thread and you can continue your lame game of mental masterbation without me pal.

Quite the contrary. I don't think Califan is the one who's coming off looking like a tool here. Califan took your original post apart piece-by-piece--showing you exactly how wrong you were. You had no legitimate rebuttal to anything he said so you instead said there was no point in replying to him since you wouldn't "change his mind"--effectively removing whatever obligation you may have had to defend your weak position. That's a clever debate tactic.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Oh, and Snyder played the cancer card when there when it was not applicable. First misstep.

What "cancer card" and how was it not applicable?

Then you have his PR guy talking about outstripping the asset value of the paper, thus making it ALL about the money.

No, if it were "all about money" then the "PR guy" wouldn't have mentioned money at all, so as to have a better chance of going to trial and winning that money. It was all about pressure and intimidation...and lawyers are paid to apply both. They wanted the WCP's parent company to fear losing too much money...

You want to stop misinformation and look like a dude fighting for principle rather than corporate power? Don't spread misinfo yourself and don't let your PR guy talk about causing financial harm to the other coporation. .

Two different topics at play here...whether or not Snyder's suit has validity and whether or not Snyder's PR is damaging him.

Since this is not a Redskins issue I personally don't give a **** about his PR...

[pimpumd]

I'm saying even a blind dead man can see the dude's a completely different owner than he was through the first decade of his tenure, yet NOTHING he can do will placate many for the sins of the past. How long do you go on punishing someone for past mistakes, after they've finally wised and up and given you everything you've craved for so long?

It's gotten past the point where anyone continuing to live in the past is a WAY bigger embarrassment on this fanbase than the man their accusing of being.

Hail.

+1. Great post.

[ouvan59]

I don't think people are not liking the dude because he's not brought a championship to us yet.

Sorry but that's it and all that it is. Jack Kent Cooke was just as big of an arse as Snyder but he stayed out of football operations and he brought us championships. He is friggin revered.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

That's a clever debate tactic.

Actually it was a lame debate tactic lol...a lame message board debate tactic at that.

[JPCreativelab]

Ummmmm, yeah. Tell me which part of this statement you don't agree with:

The Washington City Paper wrote an article about Dan Snyder that accused him of a felony (forgery).

This accusation has never been brought against him or proven.

It is a libelous statement

This is a fact

Lost in all this hate for Daniel Snyder (again deserved) is the fact that the WCP screwed up. They are in the wrong in this instance unless they can prove he forged anything. And sadly the rest of the media community is coming to their aid because they need to keep this avenue closed to other people they lible who aren't so universally hated.

im not even going to get into that conversation which i believe is still going on in another 1000 page thread....but..i will say that Snyder Communications was found guilty and paid for it, if saying Synder without the Communications is wrong, then im sure the Paper will get what is coming to them.

[addicted]

Quite the contrary. I don't think Califan is the one who's coming off looking like a tool here. Califan took your original post apart piece-by-piece--showing you exactly how wrong you were. You had no legitimate rebuttal to anything he said so you instead said there was no point in replying to him since you wouldn't "change his mind"--effectively removing whatever obligation you may have had to defend your weak position. That's a clever debate tactic.

Well first of all

This message is hidden because Califan007 is on your ignore list.

And life is good again

As for your reply, Califan took what I said, made a poor arguement saying something that simply isn't the case at all - decisions based on emotions are always rash fast come to judgment decisions - which I pointed out then was about to continue replying to him until I saw through what he was attempting to do. He attacked me, brought up things I said in the past, and basically told me to shut up. I saw through his reply which was to divert this arguement away from the subject and instead make this about me and declined to go further into that. Why bother? If you want to talk Redskins then make it about Redskins, If you want to fight with me then forget it. Im not interested.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Addicted man, and this is not a personal attack, just an observation I don't appear to be alone in seeing given other responses; your sounding like a whiny ass little ***** who'd rather see the old Snyder interfere so you can turn around and say "Told ya' so!"

How in the World does an article like you put up help matters? Seriously. We all know the dudes previous faults. Hell, I've been as critical as the next man, and more often than not, justifiably so, for all the repeated ****-up's through his arrogance in thinking he knew best and refusing to listen has brought upon this franchise. But that was in the past, and if your not prepared to give the guy a chance now he has gone cold turkey, for him, and stepped RIGHT back from the football side; you sound utterly pathetic and come across like you have your own personal agenda. Like the writer of your linked article does. And like you yourself do in ANY and EVERY Snyder thread going

Im not a Snyder hater, agree he has been an ass in the past and probably isnt the greatest human being on the planet, but i dont feel the need to hate the guy.

i will say that having Cerrato gone is a MAJOR difference, if he was still with the organization, I would prolly have a different view point.

Absolutely man. But he DID get rid of Cerrato. And hire a proper football man to oversee the football side whilst he stepped right back and become what an owner should be.

But apparently even that isn't good enough for some.

Hail.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

im not even going to get into that conversation which i believe is still going on in another 1000 page thread....but..i will say that Snyder Communications was found guilty and paid for it, if saying Synder without the Communications is wrong, then im sure the Paper will get what is coming to them.

The WCP response more or less validated that viewpoint...they claimed that the article went on to clarify McKenna's statement...which means they and McKenna knew his statement needed to be clarified less it come across that they were accusing Snyder himself of the forgery--which, when taking McKenna's statement literally, was exactly what he was doing.

I personally think the original statement wasn't needed--it was tabloid, shock journalism meant for nothing other than negatively harming Snyder as much as possible...and the clarification afterwards didn't go far enough imo.

[Horatio]

im not even going to get into that conversation which i believe is still going on in another 1000 page thread....but..i will say that Snyder Communications was found guilty and paid for it, if saying Synder without the Communications is wrong, then im sure the Paper will get what is coming to them.

You're darn tootin' (which means "I concur with your assessment, sir.") Snyder was the CEO of a company that was committing forgery for years...and they paid a massive fine and were forbidden to operate in Florida. I don't believe for one second that Snyder wasn't aware of what was going on, and probably encouraged it. What do you expect from a guy who made millions by selling crappy products to people grieving in hospitals?

[Destino]

What "cancer card" and how was it not applicable?

You should know what was said if you're going to take on the role of Dan Snyder's personal forum warrior.

What McKenna said about Dan's wife:

what was actually said:

His wife, Tanya Snyder, is out selling the transformation, too. Last week she went on local TV [TBD's SportsTalk] to tell an interviewer that he is now surrounded by “better people,” and that he’s “grown and he’s evolved.”

Well, maybe his wife can find evidence of Snyder’s growth and evolution. I can’t.

What Dan Snyder said about that:

"You can't call people names, [can't call them] criminals," he [snyder] told The Post. "You can't make fun of someone's wife and her effort for breast cancer awareness as national spokesperson for the National Football League and as a breast cancer survivor. It's just wrong. What's wrong is wrong, and this is wrong. And this guy [McKenna] crossed the line."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/04/AR2011020406580.html

What Tony Wylie said about that:

"It's in the beginning of it, where the writer basically demeans her role as a national spokesman for the NFL for breast cancer awareness and characterizes her as a spokesperson for the transformation of Dan's public image," Donovan said. "She's a breast cancer survivor, and she's gone on television, she's gone on radio, she's done press conferences, and she talks about breast cancer awareness and that's all she talks about. And during one interview four or five months ago, somebody asked her [for] a comment about Dan and she gave a one-sentence answer, and the columnist turns that into a comment that she's basically a spokesman for the transformation of her husband's public image, which is really quite demeaning to a very public and personal role she's had in the media to raise breast-cancer awareness."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/02/why_the_redskins_are_suing_cit.html#more

The actual interview is here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/tanya_snyder_redskins_owner_ha.html She wasn't on to talk cancer at all and the majority (time wise) is not about charity at all. It's about her and because she is married to Dan Snyder a lot of time is spent on him. Including the following quote:

"I think he has better people around him now," she said. "I think he finally has gotten to the point where he does have a general manager, he has really good marketing people and I think he's grown and he's evolved and he's very comfortable where he is. And I think he knows he's got the right group of people around. It feels like a new beginning now. We're just really happy to be where we are."

[USS Redskins]

If the Skins win something - (maybe a division title?) Then no one cares about any of this. You hate him b/c the team is losing.

Win 13 games and no one will care if he sues a boring paper no one reads.

[skinsdude]

im not even going to get into that conversation which i believe is still going on in another 1000 page thread....but..i will say that Snyder Communications was found guilty and paid for it, if saying Synder without the Communications is wrong, then im sure the Paper will get what is coming to them.

This is the issue that I’m anxious to hear about. How much did Snyder know about the forging of signatures? As head of the company I can’t imagine that he was totally in the dark. He may be inadvertently setting himself up to have to reveal some information that he would rather not.

[addicted]

Addicted man, and this is not a personal attack, just an observation I don't appear to be alone in seeing given other responses; your sounding like a whiny ass little ***** who'd rather see the old Snyder interfere so you can turn around and say "Told ya' so!"

Negative that is not at all what I want and this isn't a "I told you so" situation to me. What I am saying is that I don't see how the man is getting credit from some of you that I respect like yourself with all of the sympathy and "he's changed" posts here.

Why do you think the man has changed? Maybe I'm missing something here but I really would rather see you post why you think the man should be forgiven by this fanbase today because I don't see why. Tell me why you give him credit for changing and maybe I can give him the same credit. Instead of why you think he's changed your just saying "If he brings us a championship...." This aint about championships to me. Its about Snyder. So freaking what he finally realized that he can't play the Jerry Jones role and finally managed to let football minded people do football minded business. I'm to forget all the crap he's screwed up for this fanbase and franchise simply because he hired a GM? Is that it? Tell us why you forgave him, don't just be a dick and critize anyone who says anything negative about the guy. The article is important to me because its one of the many I've read over the past 10 years that helped form my own opinion of the man. I'd like to read why you think he's suddenly should be forgiven for all the mistakes he's made.

[stwasm]

What if he doesn't lose?...What if he wins, and wins big?...A unanimous victory by the jury or a slam-dunk victory issued by the judge or arbitrator or whoever? Would your opinion of this lawsuit and why Snyder filed it change at all?

He will still be the same cancerous individual who destroyed my football team and made it a league-wide laughing stock.

Hopefully this lawsuit will be slow and ongoing, thus keeping him away from any roster decisions.

Amen to that, Boss!

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

How has Daniel M. Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, changed?

He listened.

It took him a decade of stubbornly thinking he knew best, and making the same repeated mistakes, but he finally listened and gave us what we've craved for so long. The football side has now been fully handed over to proper football people, with the once meddling, megalomaniac owner not so much as setting foot in Redskins Park the past year by all accounts save for coach/player introductory pressers; which if that isn't going "cold turkey" on what went before I don't know what is. No longer can the players go running to the owner and expect him to have their back over the HC down to the money they make for him. And did we hear anything from him through the media last season, through a lot of off field turmoil within the locker room?

We finally have a respectable owner, running a respectable football franchise again, at least off the field. (Patience ladies and gents. The on field success will follow in time.). I've been as critical of the owner as the next guy, and justifiably so more often than not through his tenure here. But through the 2010 season, the first of the new regime of Allan and Shanahan, I have nothing but praise for him finally "getting it", and giving us what we've wanted for so long.

Long may he continue in his new guise.

Concise enough for ya' ?

Hail.

[stwasm]

How has Daniel M. Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, changed?

He listened.

It took him a decade of stubbornly thinking he knew best, and making the same repeated mistakes, but he finally listened and gave us what we've craved for so long. The football side has now been fully handed over to proper football people, with the once meddling, megalomaniac owner not so much as setting foot in Redskins Park the past year by all accounts save for coach/player introductory pressers; which if that isn't going "cold turkey" on what went before I don't know what is. No longer can the players go running to the owner and expect him to have their back over the HC down to the money they make for him. And did we heard anything from him through the media last season, through a lot of off field turmoil within the locker room?

We finally have a respectable owner, running a respectable football franchise again, at least off the field. (Patience ladies and gents. The on field success will follow in time.). I've been as critical of the owner as the next guy, and justifiably so more often than not through his tenure here. But through the 2010 season, the first of the new regime of Allan and Shanahan, I have nothing but praise for him finally "getting it", and giving us what we've wanted for so long.

Long may he continue in his new guise.

Concise enough for ya' ?

Hail.

But, most likely, this team won't become a consistent contender overnight. He's not known for his patience. If we have two more sub-.500 seasons, who's to say he won't blow the whole thing up again and demand changes? I'll believe he's changed when he stays in the background for more than a year or two.