Burgold Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 A somewhat sincere, but mostly troublemaking thought for a Sunday morning. If we were all created in God's image, if God created us and yet we are all born wicked... well, does that mean God is good or a bit well... Certainly, when we are speaking of being created in his image that speaks to the soul and not our physical appearance.... beauty is only skin deep, after all. I'm not sure what I'm looking with thought, but it intrigued me and so I put it out there. I don't truly mean to offend and I apologize if I do, but it's one of the beliefs that always has baffled me a bit. (For what it's worth, I personally don't believe we are all born sinners. I think sin is a result of nurture versus nature in most cases) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 He has a "wicked" SOH, Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Adam and Eve were not created as imperfect they chose to become so when they rebelled, then becuase you can not get somethingsinners perfect from that which is flawed all their children were born sinful by nature. Ezekiel wrote the soul that is sinning it itself will die, now since even those new born at times die and all humans die then do to the sinful or imperfect nature all men are sinners, they have missed the mark for which they were created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 You are not born a sinner,but rather with a nature to sin I'm in the age of accountability crowd,and reject your nature controlling your choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew_Fl Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 the first creations of God were not sinners. however they chose to be. now we are too. ta da. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 You are not born a sinner,but rather with a nature to sinI'm in the age of accountability crowd,and reject your nature controlling your choices So forget what the bible says about sin bringing about death then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 So forget what the bible says about sin bringing about death then Well, we know that can't be true. Billy Joel teaches us that Only the Good Die Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 So forget what the bible says about sin bringing about death then The original sin brought death now is that physical or spiritual?...or both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 The original sin brought deathnow is that physical or spiritual?...or both Death is death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Death is death Not according to the Bible The Bible describes five kinds of death: a.) Physical death – death of the body (James 2:26) b.) Spiritual death or separation from God (Rom. 6:23; Eph. 4:18) c.) Eternal death – the second death (Rev. 20:14) d.) Death to the law (Rom. 7:4) e.) Death to sin (Rom. 6:11) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Adam and Eve were not created as imperfect they chose to become so when they rebelled, then because you can not get something sinners perfect from that which is flawed all their children were born sinful by nature. the first creations of God were not sinners. however they chose to be. now we are too. ta da. Seriously, this should end the thread. From a Biblical point of view (which I assume is the point of view you're asking about), this directly answers the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I'm in the age of accountability crowd,and reject your nature controlling your choices Would you hold a ferral child accountable for not being able to function in society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I thought Jesus died for our sins, we got a clean slate. No take backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Would you hold a ferral child accountable for not being able to function in society? Are we talking as a parent or as God? Children don't go feral w/o someone not doing their job,in which case the person responsible for them is accountable(subject of course to the child not being mentally defective) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I thought Jesus died for our sins, we got a clean slate. No take backs. * read the fine print Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I thought the we were created in his image pretained to the fact we can comprehend and be sentient and create or destroy with our thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Are we talking as a parent or as God?Children don't go feral w/o someone not doing their job,in which case the person responsible for them is accountable(subject of course to the child not being mentally defective) Do you see similarities between ferral children and children that were raised in a ghetto? If you would hold accountable the care givers, what would you do with the children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I thought the we were created in his image pretained to the fact we can comprehend and be sentient and create or destroy with our thoughts. Well that would be one theory,but It wouldn't be a Burgold thread now would it? :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 image =/= replica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Do you see similarities between ferral children and children that were raised in a ghetto?If you would hold accountable the care givers, what would you do with the children? Again ....clarify who exactly You seem to be using society as 'you' and attempting equivalency. US society says ignorance of the law is no excuse,but gives a out to those that cannot differentiate between right and wrong(and removes them from the populace if dangerous) Are you asking my judgement on society? add Is being raised in a ghetto equal to being raised w/o human interaction in your mind? ....or worse? :evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Again ....clarify who exactlyYou seem to be using society as 'you' and attempting equivalency. US society says ignorance of the law is no excuse,but gives a out to those that cannot differentiate between right and wrong(and removes them from the populace if dangerous) Are you asking my judgement on society? I am asking you, the self-proclaimed member of the "age of accountability" crowd, about your view on accountability: I'm in the age of accountability crowd,and reject your nature controlling your choices What is the proper way of looking at nature, nurture, and choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Well that would be one theory,but It wouldn't be a Burgold thread now would it? :pfft: Hey (grump) I think I've always held the thought that some held that we are all born sinners and then get worse to be frictious. When I combined that thought this morning of we are all made in God's image it made me wonder if some believe, we were all made in God's image because we are sinners or how those views are reconciled. As I said, it's a semi-troublemaking and semi-sincere thread. That said, while I said I believe sin is mostly nurture and not nature, while twa's been arguing, I can't help but wonder about that small set of children born with a neurology or chemical design which strongly predisposes them towards aggression and violence. I think that's an element of misdirection for the most part though. I think for most of us, we get to choose despite our potentialities how sinful, noble, evil, good, or other we become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I am asking you, the self-proclaimed member of the "age of accountability" crowd, about your view on accountability:What is the proper way of looking at nature, nurture, and choices? The age of accountability was in reference to spiritual matters,but I certainly extend it to everyday life. I believe every reasoning person(not mentally defective) knows basic right from wrong. What I have been thru does not determine my individual choices(it can effect the options),nor can I as a sentient being not be accountable for my choices. Are my predispositions a matter of nature or nurture?....to me it does not matter,I still choose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 The age of accountability was in reference to spiritual matters,but I certainly extend it to everyday life.I believe every reasoning person(not mentally defective) knows basic right from wrong. What I have been thru does not determine my individual choices(it can effect the options),nor can I as a sentient being not be accountable for my choices. Are my predispositions a matter of nature or nurture?....to me it does not matter,I still choose Presenting these issues in the context of right and wrong tends to oversimplify. It's like saying that your choices are equivalent as long as you don't break the law. Is it wrong for you to watch TV instead of getting another job and feeding the homeless with the extra income? ---------- Post added May-29th-2011 at 11:29 AM ---------- Is being raised in a ghetto equal to being raised w/o human interaction in your mind? ....or worse? :evilg: equal/better/worse are arbitrary value judgements. Lack of human interaction during critical periods of development is known to cause severe and irreversable deficiencies on the neurobiological level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I knew it! God is Takei! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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