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AUTHOR: Alex Apple

Jerry Jones said just yesterday that the NFL train will run this season.

Jones told sponsors at his Cowboys golf event that “We are going to have football. We are going to have a great league. We are going to have a great group of players. That is going to happen. This train is going to get there. I just want to be on it.”

Jones comments have led to mixed reactions. While some have said that Jones is merely trying to keep his sponsors on board during this rough patch for the league, other pundits claim that Jones comments portray a prevailing sentiment of all NFL owners that they are losing the battle over public opinion.

Historically, players have been blamed for play stoppages, but several polls now show that over 50% now blame NFL owners.

In the public sphere, the players have leaped ahead of the owners in the fight for the good graces of American football fans. DeMaurice Smith was recently quoted as congratulating the NFL because they have “sued to NOT play their game.”

I would be a rich man if I was given a nickel for every time that I have heard that statement replayed in the media. However, the fight in court is telling an entirely different story. No one actually thinks that the players will win in court on June 3rd, so Jerry Jones may be positioning himself to listen to a compromise from the players.

This represents a complete 180 degree turn from Jerry Jones hard stance in mediated negotiations where he slammed his fist on the tables and walked out of the room. Both Jerry Jones and Robert Craft, two of the most influential owners in all of American sports, are now pushing for a deal and a compromise which should lift the spirits of football fans as both sides now show an eagerness to have football this season.

The players have money to lose, and a year to lose off of often short NFL careers, and the owners have expensive stadiums to pay for. Jerry Jones went on to say at his golf event that he did not build a 1.2 billion dollar stadium to not have the Cowboys play in it.

The lockout is greatly hurting some teams in smaller markets with older stadiums or stadiums that are just used for football. Layoffs and paycuts have become reality for the employees of some franchises, but fortunately for the Cowboys employees, Jerry Jones has no plans layoff or reduce pay because Cowboys stadium is so useful for events other than football.

There was one other noticeable difference at Jerry Jones and the Boys golf tournament. No current players were present at the event, and Jones instead reached out to former players to fill the void.

So what will Jerry say next, he has filed the media airways with sometimes less than positive news lately. The Cowboys’ players are holding workouts on their own outside of the team’s facilities and without Jason Garrett and his staff.

---------- Post added May-20th-2011 at 02:11 PM ----------

Me thinks the other owners are worried...and, that's the only reason Jerruh's softened his stance.

The Senate has to make some noise before anything is going to happen.

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I think the owners know that public opinion will eventually settle against them. What difference? This is not something that I think the owners care about. They see this as a business decision and public opinion will have little to do with it. JMO

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The players have been given chances to talk and had deals put forth on the table, but have DECIDED to walk away and de-certify. Six-year-old's taking their ball and going home because they aren't getting their way are acting more mature and grown up than the players at this point. It amazes me that people don't see this. The owners have offered now four different deals to the players,and instead of negotiating, the players just up and walk away. Both sides are responsible for this mess, but the players have forced the issue to go on for as long as it has. When the legal BS is done with, I suspect that the players are going to end up HAVING to accept a deal much worse than any of the ones already offered to them. D. Smith screwed them all trying to get himself face time in, and some of these players are going to have a lot of crow to eat for the things they've said and done when the bargaining and legal issues are done with and the truth can come out. At that point, public opinion will most certainly be heavily in favor of the owners.

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The players have been given chances to talk and had deals put forth on the table, but have DECIDED to walk away and de-certify. Six-year-old's taking their ball and going home because they aren't getting their way are acting more mature and grown up than the players at this point. It amazes me that people don't see this. The owners have offered now four different deals to the players,and instead of negotiating, the players just up and walk away. Both sides are responsible for this mess, but the players have forced the issue to go on for as long as it has. When the legal BS is done with, I suspect that the players are going to end up HAVING to accept a deal much worse than any of the ones already offered to them. D. Smith screwed them all trying to get himself face time in, and some of these players are going to have a lot of crow to eat for the things they've said and done when the bargaining and legal issues are done with and the truth can come out. At that point, public opinion will most certainly be heavily in favor of the owners.

I tend to agree with this. I would almost completely side with the players, but they are flat out refusing to even negotiate the contracts. Tell the owners "no, and here's why," and we would more than likely have a new CBA in place already and be talking about official mini-camps and such. The owners are the only ones actively trying to get a new CBA in place.

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I tend to agree with this. I would almost completely side with the players, but they are flat out refusing to even negotiate the contracts. Tell the owners "no, and here's why," and we would more than likely have a new CBA in place already and be talking about official mini-camps and such. The owners are the only ones actively trying to get a new CBA in place.

The only leverage the players have is to de-certify...and allow a potential other league to get started and bid for their services.

That's the American way...what the owners have done is benefit from an artificial monopoly through a exemption in the law.

What are the owners afraid of? Competition?

Screw 'em...

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The only leverage the players have is to de-certify...and allow a potential other league to get started and bid for their services.

That's the American way...what the owners have done is benefit from an artificial monopoly through a exemption in the law.

What are the owners afraid of? Competition?

Screw 'em...

There have been plenty of other "professional" football leagues, all have ended up failing. Not sure if the UFL will or not, but I'd be willing to lay my money that it won't come close to the revenue the NFL generates. All the other leagues have tried some sort of gimmick to get them coverage (see: XFL) and it doesn't work. The owners haven't loopholed their way to a monopoly, they beat out the other competition.

It's still the players who have walked away from the offers the owners have put up for negotiation. Even if they didn't like them, if they were the worst deals in the world, at least put up a counter offer so we can get this thing settled. Don't just stand up and walk away, then say "we're doing everything we can, it's all the evil owners' faults."

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it's all the evil owners' faults."

It is all the evil owners fault. They opted out of the cba they had agreed to. And they are the ones locking the players out now. This isn't a strike. This isn't the players demanding more. This is 32 owners saying that 1 billion off the top of a 9 billion dollar pie wasn't enough split 32 ways.

The owners are telling you that roughly 31 million isn't enough to feed their family on. That they need it to be 62 million for everything to be alright.

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It is all the evil owners fault. They opted out of the cba they had agreed to. And they are the ones locking the players out now. This isn't a strike. This isn't the players demanding more. This is 32 owners saying that 1 billion off the top of a 9 billion dollar pie wasn't enough split 32 ways.

The owners are telling you that roughly 31 million isn't enough to feed their family on. That they need it to be 62 million for everything to be alright.

The owners have put up 4 different offers to the players to get this thing resolved. The owners may have started it, but by refusing to negotiate, the players (rather, the NFLPA) are keeping it going

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It is all the evil owners fault. They opted out of the cba they had agreed to. And they are the ones locking the players out now. This isn't a strike. This isn't the players demanding more. This is 32 owners saying that 1 billion off the top of a 9 billion dollar pie wasn't enough split 32 ways.

The owners are telling you that roughly 31 million isn't enough to feed their family on. That they need it to be 62 million for everything to be alright.

The owners have put up 4 different offers to the players to get this thing resolved. The owners may have started it, but by refusing to negotiate, the players (rather, the NFLPA) are keeping it going

Agreed Hitman. Who the hell cares who started it? Just come to an agreement. And if there was a new league started, would fans gravitate to that league? They couldn't use any of the NFL team names, so would you change allegiences to the other league because a player from your team plays for them? The NFL is almost 100 years old, it would be really hard to switch to another league.

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The owners have put up 4 different offers to the players to get this thing resolved. The owners may have started it, but by refusing to negotiate, the players (rather, the NFLPA) are keeping it going

So you are saying it is the owners fault for causing the situation, but it's not their fault that the situation exists?

Have you read the details of the offers? I haven't and I seriously doubt you have, and obviously if they are presenting these offers the players were participating in negotiations and the owners know perfectly well what was causing the players to reject the offers. To say the players haven't been interested in negotiating is at best uninformed and at worst a pathetic lie not to mention at this point there is no NFLPA to negotiate with.

There are things the players need to compromise on. A rookie salary cap and PED testing are just two of them, but to act as if the players caused this situation and are only concerned in continuing it when they are the ones most affected by this out of the two parties is ridiculous.

This is the situation you think the players are determined to continue for some reason or another:

1. no paycheck since players can't report to camps and games

2. out of pocket spending on health issues caused by playing football

3. no team doctors and specialists to help in rehab or training

4. perhaps missing a window of opportunity for those players on teams that actually have a shot at winning something

5. losing a year out of an already short career

Owners don't have career-spans that are shortened by being an owner, strikes, or lockouts. Not to mention the owners operating in bad faith by negotiating a t.v package that would pay them billions in order to be able to weather a lockout of their own creation without losing a cent. It's pretty clear the owners planned to get t.v money to outlast the players in order to ram completely unfavorable terms down their throat.

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So you are saying it is the owners fault for causing the situation, but it's not their fault that the situation exists?

It is the owner's fault for creating the situation. However, by refusing to negotiate (as in, not putting up a counter-offer or discussing the points in the owner's proposal), the players are at fault for continuing. If the players didn't like the proposals, they could have very easily said "we don't like points A, B, and C, so instead, how does A1, B1, and C1 sound?" instead of just getting up and leaving the negotiation table.

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It is the owner's fault for creating the situation. However, by refusing to negotiate (as in, not putting up a counter-offer or discussing the points in the owner's proposal), the players are at fault for continuing. If the players didn't like the proposals, they could have very easily said "we don't like points A, B, and C, so instead, how does A1, B1, and C1 sound?" instead of just getting up and leaving the negotiation table.

Serious question, do you really believe the owners are clueless as to what the players are not willing to negotiate on? That the players position is really unknown to the owners?

Me? I believe it's more likely that the owners know exactly what the players aren't willing to accept but are biding their time waiting for the players to crack. And I think a huge clue to that is the fact the owners thought they were going to have a nice 4 billion dollar cushion to sit on and wait. The players pulled the rug from out under them on that one though.

The owners want a bigger piece of a pie they were already getting a huge chunk from while trying to make the season 2 games longer to milk even more money from the cash cow that is the nfl.

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Serious question, do you really believe the owners are clueless as to what the players are not willing to negotiate on? That the players position is really unknown to the owners?

Me? I believe it's more likely that the owners know exactly what the players aren't willing to accept but are biding their time waiting for the players to crack. And I think a huge clue to that is the fact the owners thought they were going to have a nice 4 billion dollar cushion to sit on and wait. The players pulled the rug from out under them on that one though.

The owners want a bigger piece of a pie they were already getting a huge chunk from while trying to make the season 2 games longer to milk even more money from the cash cow that is the nfl.

It doesn't matter if they know the player's position is or not. If the players aren't willing to sit down at the table and talk about it, they're just as much at fault (if not more) as the owners.

Oh, and that first deal the owners offered -- I can't remember it exactly, but I think it was on the order of

Stay at 16 games with an option for 18 a few years down the road

Rookie salary cap, with the savings going to the retired players' fund

Continued health insurance after retirement

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hit on everything the players were asking for. What did they do? Walked away from the table. That's not how negotiations work. If they didn't like something, they bring it up, and come to a middle ground.

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I'm still not worried in the least. I'm on the side of the players, but just wait until August when the players start missing game checks. I gaurantee that's what the owners are saying. I have a better chance at catching the lotto than there being no football this year.

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It doesn't matter if they know the player's position is or not. If the players aren't willing to sit down at the table and talk about it, they're just as much at fault (if not more) as the owners.

Oh, and that first deal the owners offered -- I can't remember it exactly, but I think it was on the order of

Stay at 16 games with an option for 18 a few years down the road

Rookie salary cap, with the savings going to the retired players' fund

Continued health insurance after retirement

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hit on everything the players were asking for. What did they do? Walked away from the table. That's not how negotiations work. If they didn't like something, they bring it up, and come to a middle ground.

What players do you want to talk about it? Should Adrian Peterson go to NY and talk to goodell on behalf of all the players? Or do you propose that all 1600 players meet with all 32 owners and hammer out some agreement? There is no union. They decertified because the owners weren't offering everything the players were asking for nor should they give in on all demands. If an offer that had hit on everything the players wanted were offered we wouldn't be having this discussion because I am sure the players would have taken it instead of risking losing a season and their paychecks.

Your assertion that it doesn't matter if the owners know the players demands is seriously comical. What is unacceptable from the players standpoint has been stated and to continue to pretend to negotiate with owners who have no intention of dealing honestly or offering up a serious proposal without the deal breakers in it is idiotic. You don't continue to sit at the table with people who are not serious about a compromise and obviously the owners weren't willing to let go of the things the players will simply not accept.

The owners opted out of the cba.

The owners claim that they are losing money when everyone knows that is a lie.

The owners insisted on making disingenuous offers they knew would be declined by the players.

The owners wasted the negotiating deadline extensions by continuing to make those offers instead of dealing honestly with the union.

The owners negotiated a shady deal with the networks in order to force the players to accept terms that are unacceptable to them by outlasting them.

The owners have locked the players out. Even when there was a temporary stay some teams wouldn't allow their players into team facilities even though the players obviously wanted to get in and start training.

The players walked away from the negotiating table and refused to return after the offers the owners put forth.

Somehow you either acknowledge all those facts and still decide that the players are to blame or the only thing you are able/willing to latch your decision on is the fact that the players walked away from the table and either way changing your opinion isn't something I am able or desire to do.

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The players have been given chances to talk and had deals put forth on the table, but have DECIDED to walk away and de-certify. Six-year-old's taking their ball and going home because they aren't getting their way are acting more mature and grown up than the players at this point. It amazes me that people don't see this. The owners have offered now four different deals to the players,and instead of negotiating, the players just up and walk away. Both sides are responsible for this mess, but the players have forced the issue to go on for as long as it has. When the legal BS is done with, I suspect that the players are going to end up HAVING to accept a deal much worse than any of the ones already offered to them. D. Smith screwed them all trying to get himself face time in, and some of these players are going to have a lot of crow to eat for the things they've said and done when the bargaining and legal issues are done with and the truth can come out. At that point, public opinion will most certainly be heavily in favor of the owners.

They had a deal the owners broke it with 4 years left on it

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It doesn't matter if they know the player's position is or not. If the players aren't willing to sit down at the table and talk about it, they're just as much at fault (if not more) as the owners.

Oh, and that first deal the owners offered -- I can't remember it exactly, but I think it was on the order of

Stay at 16 games with an option for 18 a few years down the road

Rookie salary cap, with the savings going to the retired players' fund

Continued health insurance after retirement

--

hit on everything the players were asking for. What did they do? Walked away from the table. That's not how negotiations work. If they didn't like something, they bring it up, and come to a middle ground.

Oh and give the owners another billion dollar off the top before you divy of the pis you forgot that bit

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They had a deal the owners broke it with 4 years left on it

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Oh and give the owners another billion dollar off the top before you divy of the pis you forgot that bit

You and MrSilverMac are really out to lunch on this, aren't you? Even he admitted in a previous post that he doesn't know what the offers presented by the owners said, yet you guys keep carrying on like you have a clue when you're both ignorant as hell on this topic. You should either just stop, or use your keyboards to look up what was offered before using them to type uniformed posts.

The owners didn't "break" any deal. The prior CBA, which was signed off on by the owners AND the players clearly stated and gave the right to the owners to opt out of the deal. The owners did just that because, as even the former union leader, Gene Upshaw, and many players have admitted to, the last deal was heavily off balanced in favor of the players. The owners gave it a run, and saw, especially with the economic times, that it wasn't a deal that they wanted to continue with. So, they used the clause that they and the players put in the prior CBA and opted out. Players and fans cannot cry foul on the owners for using what was legally and willingly given to them.

As far as the extra billion dollars off the top of the 9 billion dollar pie goes, the second thing the owners did in their original deal offered to the players back in March was to drop that number down to 330 million, taking a third of the second billion off the top, and giving two thirds of it back to the players. (BTW, the first thing they did was nix the 18 game schedule idea, putting in a clause that they would resume talks on an 18 game schedule in two years but would not ever switch from the16 game format without consent from the players). Two of the top three contentions that the players had were addressed and went in favor of the players from the beginning. The players chose not to cooperate and negotiate. D. Smith had planned from the beginning to de-certify. THAT is why we are here today in this mess.

I have gotten all of my information by looking at released statements and documents online and from Pat and Tim hosting "Moving the Chains" on Sirius NFL Radio, where they read on air key points directly from the given offers. Check for yourself. These are the facts.

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You and MrSilverMac are really out to lunch on this, aren't you? Even he admitted in a previous post that he doesn't know what the offers presented by the owners said, yet you guys keep carrying on like you have a clue when you're both ignorant as hell on this topic. You should either just stop, or use your keyboards to look up what was offered before using them to type uniformed posts.

The owners didn't "break" any deal. The prior CBA, which was signed off on by the owners AND the players clearly stated and gave the right to the owners to opt out of the deal. The owners did just that because, as even the former union leader, Gene Upshaw, and many players have admitted to, the last deal was heavily off balanced in favor of the players. The owners gave it a run, and saw, especially with the economic times, that it wasn't a deal that they wanted to continue with. So, they used the clause that they and the players put in the prior CBA and opted out. Players and fans cannot cry foul on the owners for using what was legally and willingly given to them.

As far as the extra billion dollars off the top of the 9 billion dollar pie goes, the second thing the owners did in their original deal offered to the players back in March was to drop that number down to 330 million, taking a third of the second billion off the top, and giving two thirds of it back to the players. (BTW, the first thing they did was nix the 18 game schedule idea, putting in a clause that they would resume talks on an 18 game schedule in two years but would not ever switch from the16 game format without consent from the players). Two of the top three contentions that the players had were addressed and went in favor of the players from the beginning. The players chose not to cooperate and negotiate. D. Smith had planned from the beginning to de-certify. THAT is why we are here today in this mess.

I have gotten all of my information by looking at released statements and documents online and from Pat and Tim hosting "Moving the Chains" on Sirius NFL Radio, where they read on air key points directly from the given offers. Check for yourself. These are the facts.

Shhhhh! Don't let facts get in the way of blind hatred for the evil owners and the NFL monopoly! All the poor little brink of starvation millionaire players are being ruled over by iron fisted Ebenezer Scrooges!

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You and MrSilverMac are really out to lunch on this, aren't you? Even he admitted in a previous post that he doesn't know what the offers presented by the owners said, yet you guys keep carrying on like you have a clue when you're both ignorant as hell on this topic. You should either just stop, or use your keyboards to look up what was offered before using them to type uniformed posts.

The owners didn't "break" any deal. The prior CBA, which was signed off on by the owners AND the players clearly stated and gave the right to the owners to opt out of the deal. The owners did just that because, as even the former union leader, Gene Upshaw, and many players have admitted to, the last deal was heavily off balanced in favor of the players. The owners gave it a run, and saw, especially with the economic times, that it wasn't a deal that they wanted to continue with. So, they used the clause that they and the players put in the prior CBA and opted out. Players and fans cannot cry foul on the owners for using what was legally and willingly given to them.

As far as the extra billion dollars off the top of the 9 billion dollar pie goes, the second thing the owners did in their original deal offered to the players back in March was to drop that number down to 330 million, taking a third of the second billion off the top, and giving two thirds of it back to the players. (BTW, the first thing they did was nix the 18 game schedule idea, putting in a clause that they would resume talks on an 18 game schedule in two years but would not ever switch from the16 game format without consent from the players). Two of the top three contentions that the players had were addressed and went in favor of the players from the beginning. The players chose not to cooperate and negotiate. D. Smith had planned from the beginning to de-certify. THAT is why we are here today in this mess.

I have gotten all of my information by looking at released statements and documents online and from Pat and Tim hosting "Moving the Chains" on Sirius NFL Radio, where they read on air key points directly from the given offers. Check for yourself. These are the facts.

If me and DRSmith are out to lunch it's only to keep you and hitman company.

Lets be real honest here. You don't know anything other than what the league has released as their statement. For you to claim you know all that was offered cause you listened to "Moving the chains" on sirius and googled it is a lie. Flat out, no mincing words. You have the parts of the deal the league released but unless you were in that room when the deals were presented and read them over AND happen to be a labor lawyer/cpa who would would know what it is saying you have a watered down version that the league wanted to present to sway public opinion.

If that is what you want to base your opinion off, that is fine. For me I take anything the league releases on this subject with a pound of salt. So call me ignorant if you'd like, but I am smart enough to claim not to know about something just because I read a small statement from a heavily biased source.

And I'd like to see a link to that quote you have attributed to Upshaw, cause the only quote I saw was him calling the owners greedy. I'm gonna go out on a limb though and say you are full of **** again. But any link you have from something other than a laughable source like pft I will gladly read. If you'd like though, here is my link with Upshaw calling the owners greedy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3401268

BTW, that link, incase you don't want to read the link it's from 2008 and has a quote from Upshaw in 2008 that says the owners are angling for a lockout. Gee, what a coincidence that a lockout happened and the owners just happened to negotiate a 4 billion dollar deal for themselves for just such an occasion. Amazing Upshaw could see that the owners were moving towards a lockout in 2008 but you aren't capable of seeing it when it's right in front of you.

So lets look at the facts I presented previously again:

The owners have opted out of a deal they agreed to.

The owners negotiated a 4 billion dollar deal for this year which is just under what they would get if there were a season.

The players dissolved their union.

The owners have locked the players out refusing to let them practice, train, play.

The players do not get paid if they don't play.

The players do not get health insurance since the owners have opted out of the cba.

The players are losing time on already short careers.

You look at all that and say that the players are purposefully causing this stoppage, I look at it and see that this is exactly where the owners wanted this to go. The only snag in the owners plans at this point is the fact that a judge has locked up their deviously gotten 4 billion dollars. And keep in mind the owners didn't have to try to get the lockout reinstated and that players could have been at facilities lifting weights and getting in time with team trainers/physical therapists but it was the owners who filed a motion to reinstate the lockout they caused.

I don't know how anyone claiming superior knowledge/intellect can say that the owners offered the players pretty much everything the players have been asking for and seriously believe that is not only the truth but that the players opted to walk away from such a sweet deal and lose millions of dollars in salaries and out of pocket costs for health care.

It's pretty obvious to me that no one outside of a very few select people knows the whole story but some people are willfully blind to that fact.

---------- Post added May-29th-2011 at 02:15 PM ----------

Shhhhh! Don't let facts get in the way of blind hatred for the evil owners and the NFL monopoly! All the poor little brink of starvation millionaire players are being ruled over by iron fisted Ebenezer Scrooges!

Rofl at you criticizing the millionaire players while siding with the billionaire owners crying poverty. Ironic much?

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Why is this taking so long? How long will it take before a decision is made?

As we see we with rookies the owners wait until the last possibe momement

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You and MrSilverMac are really out to lunch on this, aren't you? Even he admitted in a previous post that he doesn't know what the offers presented by the owners said, yet you guys keep carrying on like you have a clue when you're both ignorant as hell on this topic. You should either just stop, or use your keyboards to look up what was offered before using them to type uniformed posts.

The owners didn't "break" any deal. The prior CBA, which was signed off on by the owners AND the players clearly stated and gave the right to the owners to opt out of the deal. The owners did just that because, as even the former union leader, Gene Upshaw, and many players have admitted to, the last deal was heavily off balanced in favor of the players. The owners gave it a run, and saw, especially with the economic times, that it wasn't a deal that they wanted to continue with. So, they used the clause that they and the players put in the prior CBA and opted out. Players and fans cannot cry foul on the owners for using what was legally and willingly given to them.

As far as the extra billion dollars off the top of the 9 billion dollar pie goes, the second thing the owners did in their original deal offered to the players back in March was to drop that number down to 330 million, taking a third of the second billion off the top, and giving two thirds of it back to the players. (BTW, the first thing they did was nix the 18 game schedule idea, putting in a clause that they would resume talks on an 18 game schedule in two years but would not ever switch from the16 game format without consent from the players). Two of the top three contentions that the players had were addressed and went in favor of the players from the beginning. The players chose not to cooperate and negotiate. D. Smith had planned from the beginning to de-certify. THAT is why we are here today in this mess.

I have gotten all of my information by looking at released statements and documents online and from Pat and Tim hosting "Moving the Chains" on Sirius NFL Radio, where they read on air key points directly from the given offers. Check for yourself. These are the facts.

The players offered to split the difference, anything more they asked for the books to be opened up to justify the give backs. The info given them was taken to financial people to look over and they said there was nothing in the numbers given to justify the give backs they are asking.

I have been in a position where a company was hurting and they came to us in the union showed us the problems and we gave back 5 dollars an hour all it takes is honesty

And if the owners are such decent folks why are some of them cutting the wages of their coaching staffs by 50 percent

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