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**** like this pisses me off. I'm not a woman. But it's pretty obvious that women deserve equal rights as men. These aren't the days where women are told to "go cook" or "go clean" or "make me a sammich, *****"

This is the 21st century, not the 1920's.

To see blatant disparity in terms of female salaries and females being passed over for promotions solely because of gender is ridiculous and likely illegal.

Now I see this

In October 2010 a group of fraternity pledges surrounded an area on campus known to house freshman women and shouted, "No means yes! Yes means EDITED!" according to the release.

"A band of loud men shouting threatening and pornographic language at the home of young freshman women creates hostile environment, thereby limiting women's equal access to education opportunities at Yale," read the release.

And in September 2009, the complainants say that a group of male Yale students circulated an email that listed 53 freshmen women and proceeded to rank them in order of "how many beers it would take to have sex with them."

Also mentioned in the release was an incident in January 2008 when a group of fraternity pledges held up signs reading, "We Love Yale [DEROGATORY TERM FOR WOMEN]" in front of the university's women's center.

I'm not a women's rights major. I'm not a feminist. But it's pretty obvious this kind of behavior is pathetic and ridiculous, especially on a college campus which is supposed to be a place of tolerance and open-minded learning.

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i agree that what happened at yale was sexist and showed poor taste.

i pride myself on treating women well and respectfully, my momma taught me that. however, women and men are not biologically the same, therefore there will always be discrepancies in what women/men deserve and are treated. i think you can go out of your way to rid the country of things such as the yale case. However, there are grey areas, and the way women/men perceive each other will never be equal, it will be different, because we are fundamentally different.

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I can certainly see why shouting "no means yes" at freshman woman would result with them feeling intimidation and fear at walking around alone. Simply put that particular joke advocates rape and is being shouted at woman likely out on their own for the first time in their lives. Classless doesn't begin to cover it though this sort of **** coming from frat boys via pledges isn't something I'd call surprising. Not saying all frats are bad or anything along those lines but it's not unusual for some to push things too far on occasion.

Yale needs to get on this and frankly should have by now.

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I'm not a women's rights major. I'm not a feminist. But it's pretty obvious this kind of behavior is pathetic and ridiculous, especially on a college campus which is supposed to be a place of tolerance and open-minded learning.

I'm in no way condoning rape or being openly/violently misogynistic towards women.... BUT I take these types of cases with a grain of salt. College aged males AND females are all horned up, self-centered *******s. And when a female at Duke can openly and graphically write a "**** list" for her senior thesis, I tend to believe the male/female sex barrier has finally been completely shattered. If you think a Duke male student could get with this, you're crazy. Rest easy tonight.

Case in point: http://deadspin.com/#!5652280/the-full-duke-university-****-list-thesis-from-a-former-female-student/gallery/1

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I'm in no way condoning rape or being openly/violently misogynistic towards women.... BUT I take these types of cases with a grain of salt. College aged males AND females are all horned up, self-centered *******s. And when a female at Duke can openly and graphically write a "**** list" for her senior thesis, I tend to believe the male/female sex barrier has finally been completely shattered. If you think a Duke male student could get with this, you're crazy. Rest easy tonight.

Case in point: http://deadspin.com/#!5652280/the-full-duke-university-****-list-thesis-from-a-former-female-student/gallery/1

Don't be so gullible. That wasn't really her senior thesis. It was a joke she wrote for a few of her friends, and it never was supposed to be circulated publicly. Sheesh.

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Although quite boorish this pales in comparison by a magnitude of 1 million to what the "ADULTS" did to the Duke Lacrosse team.

Which of course pales in comparison to the killing of students at Kent State, which of course pales in comparison to the incident at Mai lai, which of course pales in comparison to the bombing of Hiroshima.

Now the question one must ask is..

what the **** does one have to do with the other?

My bet is that a lot of these Yaleys will have their mumsies and dadsies pay off whoever needs to be paid to shut up, and that will be the end of this.

~Bang

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So now we're making 18 year old white male Ivy League ass-hats the baramoter for sex-relations in this country? What they did was disgusting, immoral, and stupid. Basically what you'd expect from a bunch of ******* named Thurston and William who have never wanted for anything in their lives. To make this a larger issue is a bit dumb.

Someone post the power point presentation that the chick at Duke put together - ranking the men she slept with.

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Is it just me?

I find that the fact that people in this thread are trying to kind-of-defend this action (by deflecting away from it), to be more upsetting that what the yahoos in the OP did.

I can dismiss the actions of the frat boys as the actions of a few statistical outliers. But to me, the reactions, here on ES, now that reflects on society as a whole.

Maybe it's just me. But I find some of the posts in this thread to be more depressing than the actions in the OP.

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Don't be so gullible. That wasn't really her senior thesis. It was a joke she wrote for a few of her friends, and it never was supposed to be circulated publicly. Sheesh.

My mistake, it wasn't actually a senior thesis. Not sure how makes me gullible instead of just lazy at 3am this morning, but whatever... I say the point stands. Today we can look at numerous examples from where the line between the sexes has been blurred. Look at advertising... it's strictly women-centric, because most of the time they're the ones making the decisions in the households. I worked at a car dealership one summer in college, and it was beat in over my head to make sure I sold to the woman first. Sitcoms have no qualms about portraying the man as a blubbering idiot in a verbally abusive relationship (King of Queens). And, yes... a female college student can write a **** list and get book/movie deals on female empowerment (http://deadspin.com/#!5653266/duke-****-list-author-gets-potential-book-movie-deals). You think that'd happen even 15 or 20 years ago?

Society's evolving, either directly or subtly, and if you pay attention you easily see that times.... they're a changin'. I'm not pointing all this out because I necessarily feel like this is a bad thing... it just seemed like the OP was about to join a march around campus for women's rights and I'm simply telling you the revolution already won.

And the King of Queens comment was kinda a joke, but seriously... if I was in a marriage like that I'd jump out a window.

And drunk fraternity guys yelling things = bad.

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Is it just me?

I find that the fact that people in this thread are trying to kind-of-defend this action (by deflecting away from it), to be more upsetting that what the yahoos in the OP did.

I can dismiss the actions of the frat boys as the actions of a few statistical outliers. But to me, the reactions, here on ES, now that reflects on society as a whole.

Maybe it's just me. But I find some of the posts in this thread to be more depressing than the actions in the OP.

The problem is women want equal treatment until something doesn't go their way. Then the double standards start flying. This case is just stupid words, no one was hurt. And like others have said look at the women from Duke who got 5 minutes of fame for writing about all her sexual partners and rated them. If I guy did the same he would be burned at the stake.

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These women are actually afraid on an all-white campus by a group of boorish upper middle class frat boys? They need a reality check.

It gets worse.

---------- Post added April-4th-2011 at 01:18 PM ----------

The problem is women want equal treatment until something doesn't go their way. Then the double standards start flying. This case is just stupid words, no one was hurt.

It's not one incident. If the report is true, for a number of years frats have been getting their pledges to behave in a way that is intimidating to women. Rape on campus is not a joke. Having groups of men target womens dorms and chant about it is not a harmless prank. If Yale administrators have done nothing about the frats behavior after several years of misconduct, they have something to answer to.

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It's not one incident. If the report is true, for a number of years frats have been getting their pledges to behave in a way that is intimidating to women. Rape on campus is not a joke. Having groups of men target womens dorms and chant about it is not a harmless prank. If Yale administrators have done nothing about the frats behavior after several years of misconduct, they have something to answer to.
You mention rape, but in the article there is not one mention of a sexual attack. Are you trying to make this story more sensationalist than it really is?
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some of the responses in here are pretty disgusting. i can't even follow the skeevy logic train that led to race being brought into the discussion.

it's amazing how reliable some things can be. one of the most reliable things is that any time a story about women being openly and obviously sexually harassed comes up on the internet, a certain set of people will invariably go out of their way to excuse or dismiss it. every time.

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