NavyDave Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Charles Schumer admits to being instructed to Smear the opposition with same ole talking points. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuDFYPVC5s ---------- Post added March-30th-2011 at 11:54 AM ---------- http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/extremism-in-defense-of-bloated-budgets-is-apparently-no-vice/ “Extremism” In Defense Of Bloated Budgets Is Apparently No Vice Dodd · Tuesday, March 29, 2011 · 8 Comments At least since Dick Gephardt’s primacy as a leader of the party, “extremist” has been the Democratic description of choice for Republican policy initiatives. So the only wonder in Sen. Chuck Schumer passing along the caucus’ orders to describe House GOP plans to cut less than 2.8% of the $3.6 trillion federal budget as “extremist” is that he was dumb enough to get caught: Moments before a conference call with reporters was scheduled to get underway on Tuesday morning, Charles E. Schumer of New York, the No. 3 Democrat in the Senate, apparently unaware that many of the reporters were already on the line, began to instruct his fellow senators on how to talk to reporters about the contentious budget process. After thanking his colleagues — Barbara Boxer of California, Benjamin L. Cardin of Maryland, Thomas R. Carper of Delaware and Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut — for doing the budget bidding for the Senate Democrats, who are facing off against the House Republicans over how to cut spending for the rest of the fiscal year, Mr. Schumer told them to portray John A. Boehner of Ohio, the speaker of the House, as painted into a box by the Tea Party, and to decry the spending cuts that he wants as extreme. “I always use the word extreme,” Mr. Schumer said. “That is what the caucus instructed me to use this week.” Words lose their impact after a while. And this one’s had a long, tiresome run (see also, “racist,” and, to be fair, “socialist,” and “elitist.”) It beggars belief that their focus groups still respond in any significant fashion to this canard. After a decade and a half of overuse (not to mention worldwide flareups of the real thing), you’d think they’d at least switch to a synonym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 You need only read this very board for a day or two to know that their message is resonating. Every remotely conservative position is called out as extremist, crazy, loony, etc. It's working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 You need only read this very board for a day or two to know that their message is resonating. Every remotely conservative position is called out as extremist, crazy, loony, etc. It's working. After taking their lumps for so long, the Democrats have finally learned from the masters. Which is unfortunate. That's not what I want my party to be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 You need only read this very board for a day or two to know that their message is resonating. Every remotely conservative position is called out as extremist, crazy, loony, etc. It's working. Any position that is loony or crazy or dumb should be called that. We should not soften our language to describe such positions. It just so happens that the Republicans have been the party of Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, and Christine O'Donnell. Whether it hurts your feelings (or any other republican) should be the least of our worries. These people should be called loony bins and dolts precisely because they are. Just as people like Michael Moore and the Code Pink morons are labeled on the other end. When the Republicans get their **** together and stop putting morons up on pedestals and quit getting their information from Murdoch, we can and should respect whatever view they espouse. How you arrive at your position and how you defend it should and do matter. In the meantime, we should label the majority of them as intellectually dishonest dimwits. And we shouldn't apologize for it. When they do get their **** back together, I'll probably start voting for them again. I traditionally have. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Wait, so politicians coordinate attacks on their opponents? I'm shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Nothing new here. What sucks is that we can't even have a debate/discussion without one side or the other going all Lt.Col. Frank Slade and threaten burning down the room. Harry Reid looks at the budget and says he can only find 6 billion worth of cuts and most folks say to themselves "Really?? Are you serious??" Rand Paul throws out the idea of $500 billion and most folks want him fitted for a straight jacket. How in the hell do we get spending under control? This country is ****ed with those kinds of attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 How in the hell do we get spending under control? . Find those who benefit from the spending and convince them they don't need it. Forcing them to swallow the cuts won't work, because the politicians trying to convince them are also relying on them to vote for them next term. Good luck. Pretending the problem comes from above is to ignore where the money goes. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedk Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 What's loony crazy and dumb is a government that's budget carries a $1.5 trillion deficit. The Republicans have been called extremist ever since they proposed a balance budget amendment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 The Witch from Delaware could perform just as stupidly as liberals have. I'm still trying to figure out where have Obama and liberals the past 4 years have made a brilliant move. Cash for Clunkers? Bailouts? Well GE who didn't pay taxes last year did promise Green jobs. And how are you dealing with the proper disposal of those mercury filled (curly fry) lightbulbs? Stimulus package? I just do not see that many improved bridges and roads around Metro DC that the stimulus had a hand in. Palin as POTUS would have atleast enough sense to drill domestically instead of telling students at Georgetown that domestic drilling is a quick fix attempt that won't work so giving 2 billion of our money to Brazil in a company his buddy Soros has stock in made more sense. And Team Elephant would not go on a bowing and I'm sorry tour with evil scum in the middle east and Latin America though Liberals might feel offended at me calling dictators or socialists who kill their citizens scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 It's hard to take the Republican party seriously when they talk about spending. How can you simply ignore recent past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgSkinFan Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Glad to see that Schumer is doing his part to ratchet up the political rhetoric again after his phony call for bipartisanship after the Giffords shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 "admits to getting marching orders" That seems to describe something sinister was uncovered. A politician is talking about political strategy.... oh my someone hide the children. If you didn't know parties did this and you're an adult, you really haven't been paying attention. Using the same language is old hat at this point people. What is the next big admission going to be "politician admits to spending a great deal of time raising money" NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerm Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I think the Dems have a pretty good political strategy for this debate. They are putting together a plan where they offer about 30 billion in cuts overall. This is around half of what the republicans passed and halfway between the 65 billion that the house passed and the virtually no cuts budget that Obama proposed. They will be able to say "we are meeting you half way." Additionally, most of the 30 billion in cuts they are going to offer are from "mandatory" spending on from a farm subsidies. One of the parts of the "Pledge to America" that the republicans made was they would cut $100 billion from non-defense discretionary spending. If the republicans take the deal that the Dems are offering, the Dems can say that the big spending Republicans cut less than 10% of what they promised in their Pledge. If the government shuts down, they can say "the extremist, reckless budget cutters have shut down the government again." Here is a recent link http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/152333-seeking-to-corner-gop-white-house-offers-20b Overall, it is brilliant politics. The Hill had also polled either house members or house staffers (cant remember the poll exactly) in recent weeks. A majority of Democrats and Republicans in the house believe that a shutdown will benefit Democrats politically. The Republicans are really in a bind here, they don’t want to give Obama a huge boost at a time when his approval ratings are dropping. On the other hand, their base is so focused on the budget, that the fallout of only allowing small cuts will be huge. I think the GOP is going to be too gun shy to let a shutdown happen. In the 90’s, the first shutdown was because the Republicans demanded a balanced budget, and Clinton eventually gave in. Then the govt shutdown again and Clinton got a huge boost. Now, all these years latter, the Republicans are thought of as extremists who will shutdown the government and Clinton is hailed as the guy who balanced the budget… I think the Republicans are going to blink first. Their only saving grace is that the polls say most independents would be more upset about having cuts that are too small than they would be about cuts that are too large. However, I don’t think that the Republicans are confident that they can win the message war with the way Democrats have structured their proposed cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQCOWBOY Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Any position that is loony or crazy or dumb should be called that. We should not soften our language to describe such positions. It just so happens that the Republicans have been the party of Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, and Christine O'Donnell. Whether it hurts your feelings (or any other republican) should be the least of our worries. These people should be called loony bins and dolts precisely because they are. Just as people like Michael Moore and the Code Pink morons are labeled on the other end. When the Republicans get their **** together and stop putting morons up on pedestals and quit getting their information from Murdoch, we can and should respect whatever view they espouse. How you arrive at your position and how you defend it should and do matter. In the meantime, we should label the majority of them as intellectually dishonest dimwits. And we shouldn't apologize for it. When they do get their **** back together, I'll probably start voting for them again. I traditionally have. ... I have a bit of an issue here in that you identify elected officials, such as Palin or Ron Paul (Christine O'Donnell I have no issue with) and compare them to Michael Moore or Code Pink. That, to me, is not a fair comparison as the Moore's and the Code Pinks of the world are not elected officials who represent a political party. Now, if you wanted to compare Palin and Paul to Reid or Pelosi or Rangel, that would be a fair comparison, even an equal and accurate one IMO. I think that all the things you said earlier, you can apply to these folks as well. I understand that you do not favor the current GOP ideology but I think that a growing number of Americans view the current Democratic Leadership with the same sort of distain you speak to in your post. Any leadership that is in favor of shutting down the Government, especially in this economy for purely political reasons, is a poor statement on leadership in my opinion. Doesn't matter what party might take that position, it's just not a good decision. The more I watch each party, the more I believe that neither is really in it for the people. They are in it for themselves or their political power structure. Not saying party but actual power base. I honestly believe that these folks wouldn't care which party they were in, so long as they were gaining power and making money. That last is just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 And Team Elephant would not go on a bowing and I'm sorry tour with evil scum in the middle east and Latin America though Liberals might feel offended at me calling dictators or socialists who kill their citizens scum. You are totally awesome. I find your posts thoroughly entertaining. Thank you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 How is this news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Any position that is loony or crazy or dumb should be called that. We should not soften our language to describe such positions. It just so happens that the Republicans have been the party of Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, and Christine O'Donnell. Whether it hurts your feelings (or any other republican) should be the least of our worries. These people should be called loony bins and dolts precisely because they are. Just as people like Michael Moore and the Code Pink morons are labeled on the other end. When the Republicans get their **** together and stop putting morons up on pedestals and quit getting their information from Murdoch, we can and should respect whatever view they espouse. How you arrive at your position and how you defend it should and do matter. In the meantime, we should label the majority of them as intellectually dishonest dimwits. And we shouldn't apologize for it. When they do get their **** back together, I'll probably start voting for them again. I traditionally have. ... You honestly think the republicans are the party of Ron Paul? Ron Paul has been a thorn in their side for a very long time. I wish the Republican party was the party of Ron Paul. I guess anyone who isn't a Neo-Con is a loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 You honestly think the republicans are the party of Ron Paul? Ron Paul has been a thorn in their side for a very long time. I wish the Republican party was the party of Ron Paul. I guess anyone who isn't a Neo-Con is a loon. Don't try with zoony. He goes on autopilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 How is this news?Who would have believed that a party organization was.....organized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 You need only read this very board for a day or two to know that their message is resonating. Every remotely conservative position is called out as extremist, crazy, loony, etc. It's working. I'm glad to see that the God-hating socialists have finally grown a backbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Next he'll be taking marching orders from the biggest donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Something about this thread seems terribly ironic -- hmmm. Oh, I know what it is: right-wingers are complaining about something that their side of the aisle do on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Try being a prominent Republicant and calling out Rush. You'll get your marching orders then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Try being a prominent Republicant and calling out Rush.You'll get your marching orders then.... For sure. And not to mention all the other conservative organizations that disseminate their talking points (such as the recently discovered ALEC organization). That is why you often hear Congressional Republicans say the exact same thing, over and over again. Case in point, during the health care debate and the Frank Luntz "marching orders" that were repeated ad nauseum. "Marching orders" and "talking points" is the "on message" strategy of the GOP, and for any of their supporters to complain about Schumer's pre-interview (blunderous) strategizing is just plain silly. Especially when some of the conservatives on this forum have repeated the GOP talking points, usually in the form of a meme, that come from these "marching orders." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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