rumplestilskin Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Now that touch backs are going to be the a normal reality it seems players like Banks are going to suffer. Just when we get a player that was developed from within to be an extreme advantage for the special teams the rule nutralizes his value. Thoughts on the rule and if he is more or less of a bubble player now that the rule is instituted. My opinion is he will still get opertunities returning punts but he may be vulnerable at some point to a roster cut if we draft a wide reciever or obtain via FA (Moss) and MK comes back healthy.(Austin would be first to go before banks). This rule is really disheartening because it allows success stories like Brandon to defy the odds and fill a niche. The NFL is getting way too soft. http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/202059/nfl-moves-kickoffs-from-the-30-to-35-yd-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero21 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Don't forget about punt returns though. As you said, he'll still have that opportunity, and small fast guys like him are usually better at those anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 'K, I must of been living in a cave. (Or just apathetic to all things football with the CBA B/S.). What's this new touch back rule? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 'K, I must of been living in a cave. (Or just apathetic to all things football with the CBA B/S.). What's this new touch back rule? Hail. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6247029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 'K, I must of been living in a cave. (Or just apathetic to all things football with the CBA B/S.). What's this new touch back rule? Hail. Kickoffs at the 35 now, making even a weak legged kicker able to boot it through the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 'K, I must of been living in a cave. (Or just apathetic to all things football with the CBA B/S.). What's this new touch back rule? Hail. Kickoff from the 35 instead of the 30. (Edit: Changing touchback to the 25 instead of the 20 was voted down.) To me Brandon Banks is better suited as a punt returner than kick returner anyway, though stats may prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Kickoff from the 35 instead of the 3. Touchback comes out to the 25 instead of the 20.To me Brandon Banks is better suited as a punt returner than kick returner anyway, though stats may prove me wrong. Touchbacks are to stay at the 20. They never got moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Touchbacks are to stay at the 20. They never got moved. Yeah I saw that it got voted down, so I changed my post. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thanks guys. Why mess with something that worked just fine? Seriously, has there been ANY good to come out of Goodell's time? Sighs. And I guess BB will just have to continue tearing it up on punt returns if kick returns become less and less. Kid still has great value, and excites the heck out of me like no Redskin has in eons. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Check where the kicking team players start from though. A five yard running start instead of a 10-15 yard. More kickoffs may be brought out from deeper inside the end zone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestyln Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Guess we won't see Gano attempting those deep corner kicks anymore =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Banks was probably going to end up only as the primary punt returner anyways...he was making more of an impact there than on kick returns, and will last longer this way. I don't think this hurts his value at all. To me, its Gano who should be worried about this. We put up with his growing pains and his inaccuracy in part because he's young, and in part because he's got a monster leg...which primarily helps with field position on kick offs, since it doesn't help consistently kicking field goals. He should be worried that we'll bring in a weaker-legged, but more accurate, kicker, now that most kickers will kick it into the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestyln Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 To me, its Gano who should be worried about this. We put up with his growing pains and his inaccuracy in part because he's young, and in part because he's got a monster leg...which primarily helps with field position on kick offs, since it doesn't help consistently kicking field goals.He should be worried that we'll bring in a weaker-legged, but more accurate, kicker, now that most kickers will kick it into the endzone. I'd have to disagree. He was brought in to hit those 40-50+ yard kicks and kick offs. Why else would they bring in a strong leg kicker? It's not like the offense is helping out by setting up kicks inside the 30; which a few were blocked by missed blocking assignments or handling of the ball. He's young with a lot of upside, just give it time and let this kid work on his accuaracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Check where the kicking team players start from though. A five yard running start instead of a 10-15 yard. More kickoffs may be brought out from deeper inside the end zone now. Ya I could see this might happen in cold weather or windy games but in warm weather or domes its booted out of the endzone with no chance of return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd have to disagree. He was brought in to hit those 40-50+ yard kicks and kick offs. Why else would they bring in a strong leg kicker? It's not like the offense is helping out by setting up kicks inside the 30; which a few were blocked by missed blocking assignments or handling of the ball. He's young with a lot of upside, just give it time and let this kid work on his accuaracy. You just agreed with what I said: He's young, and was brought in for his ability to hit the long FG's and boot it far on kickoffs. The only difference is, I didn't see enough to think that this won't hurt his value to the team. We don't need him to improve field position with touchbacks any more...so now we only really need him for FG's. Which is where he's sub-par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Banks was probably going to end up only as the primary punt returner anyways...he was making more of an impact there than on kick returns, and will last longer this way. I don't think this hurts his value at all.To me, its Gano who should be worried about this. We put up with his growing pains and his inaccuracy in part because he's young, and in part because he's got a monster leg...which primarily helps with field position on kick offs, since it doesn't help consistently kicking field goals. He should be worried that we'll bring in a weaker-legged, but more accurate, kicker, now that most kickers will kick it into the endzone. Good point there. This rule will also affect the teams that carry two kickers, one for kickoffs and one for field goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ya I could see this might happen in cold weather or windy games but in warm weather or domes its booted out of the endzone with no chance of return. How many touch backs were fielded 5+ yards into the end zone vs. 2-3 yards into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 How many touch backs were fielded 5+ yards into the end zone vs. 2-3 yards into it? I see your point but you cant field a kick that is booted out of the endzone. Every kicker can do that now that its closer and the room for error on kickoffs out of bounds is less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Hate the decision!! I think the league is hiding behind "injuries" for their real intent. And that intention is likely to be to help out the "premiere" teams that rely mainly on offense and not defense or special teams, such as the Pats, Colts, Cowboys, Saints, Eagles, Giants, Packers, and Falcons! It makes our division even harder for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestyln Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 You just agreed with what I said: He's young, and was brought in for his ability to hit the long FG's and boot it far on kickoffs. The only difference is, I didn't see enough to think that this won't hurt his value to the team. We don't need him to improve field position with touchbacks any more...so now we only really need him for FG's. Which is where he's sub-par. Sorry, I was referencing to the weak leg kicker comment. It's not often that the offense is in the 30 for the accuarte weak legged kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Guess we won't see Gano attempting those deep corner kicks anymore =/ I don't want to see him attempting any kicks anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I see your point but you cant field a kick that is booted out of the endzone. Every kicker can do that now that its closer and the room for error on kickoffs out of bounds is less. My point was from the 30 it was 80 yards to the back of the endzone, from the 35 it is 75 yards. How many kicks from the 30 went 75 yards and landed 5+ yards into the endzone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I think this will help Banks. I still think there will be a lot of returned kickoffs. Now with no running start (I believe this was approved) for the gunners, Banks is going to have more room to take it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 The final element of the change in the kickoff rule was adjusting the running starts for the coverage teams before the kickoff. Before, coverage players could get a 10- to 15-yard start before the kicker makes contact with the ball. Under the new rule, coverage players will only get a 5-yard running start. That was what the competition committee had recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Players safety strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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