End2round2sanders Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Owners think they control the NFL cause they can grow the product, Players think they are the reason the NFL is so big. In the end why dont the fans take it into their own hands and lockout the NFL.. Honestly in the end who drives the NFL. Not an Adrian Peterson driving through his o-line for 15 yards on a draw play. Not a Jerry Jones who builds a billion dollar stadium that can't handle the super bowl but charge 80 bucks for pizza. Its the fans who spend good hard earned money on something they love. Why is that us fans dont realize the power we have in our hands when it comes to the NFL. If we aren't watching it, going to games, buying merchandise, where the hell would the NFL be? Why dont we have an NFLFA the NFL fan association, where if this lockout goes on for such n such time, we give an ultimatum the players and the owner.. If you lockout and cant come an agreement, for every week you are locked out, the fans will lock you the NFL out. That means no TV watching, no fans come to stadiums, no one buys any nfl appearal for the same amount of weeks that you've locked out for. Think of the message if would send to the NFL. I know it crazy thinking but in end we have seen in recent months what a people can do when they get together for a cause. Things get done plain n simple. This is no different. I know you think I'm crazy, I just hate and laugh at the fact the owners and players think they are the ones can control the fate of the NFL while the passive aggressive idle fan begs for their NFL and hopes they can come to an agreement when if we could take our own action against this we could send a greater message then any court system, lawyer could ever do. People have jobs and lives and better things to do. If only there was a way to carry out my tiny idea.. Any HTTR. from San Diego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honejc Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 because as a fan of sports i can follow other sports to keep entertained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I agree and would love to send a message to owner and player but in all honesty if the Skins are playing on Sunday im wathcing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 because its impossible to organize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I agree and would love to send a message to owner and player but in all honesty if the Skins are playing on Sunday im wathcing them. because its impossible to organize. Getting enough people to agree to a "lockout" would be the issue. I'd love to teach the owners and the players a "lesson" - if the lockout goes into the season and we lose games; then the owners will start to lose money it will happen. But for now - it's status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mursilis Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Getting enough people to agree to a "lockout" would be the issue. I'd love to teach the owners and the players a "lesson" - if the lockout goes into the season and we lose games; then the owners will start to lose money it will happen. But for now - it's status quo. And crack addicts could get lower prices from their dealers if they boycotted them, but they won't. The addicts need their dealers far more than their dealers need the addicts, and fans need the league far more than the league needs the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Getting enough people to agree to a "lockout" would be the issue. I'd love to teach the owners and the players a "lesson" - if the lockout goes into the season and we lose games; then the owners will start to lose money it will happen. But for now - it's status quo. I wonder if the lockout will have an effect on the bottom dollar for some of the less wealthy owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotherz Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 You're not "crazy". Its actually a terrific point and dead on. The problem as other posters have said is the same one the players will ultimately have times 1000. We can't organize and unite ourselves. We are too widespread. Youhave to do it through representation (ie a leader) and even the the leader has to have the power to have the masses obey his'/her directions. I personally think to pull it off you'dhave to get a "union" for each franchise's fan base. So there would be a skins rep, an eagles rep, cowboys rep, giants rep, etc etc. But even then, the rep would have to have the ability to back up his threats. So if I were Skins rep, and I wrote an open letter to the nfl along with the reps of the other 31 team reps about a collective boycott of team merchandise if a concesssion of some kind wasn't given to us as a fan, the fans would have to actually follow through on it. THAT would be the tough part. But in THEORY it would work if we could get it organized. In THEORY, if the entire nation's fans decided to cancel direct tv packages, stop buying all jerseys etc it would get these morons on both sides' attention damn quick. Personally, I'd love it. But organizing that many people is very difficult if not outright impossible. The teams and the players treat us like sheep. .. because we are. They are utterly disrespectful to us because. . . we take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrbeast Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 you ever wonder why that kid in high school always went back to that one girl even though she was slutty and he knew she would do him wrong? Cause he couldn't stop himself just like there is no way i could stop myself from watching football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm not going to boycott the NFL, I enjoy watching the games on my HD TV too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If games are missed, then I bet there will be a tiny minority of fans that boycott games. And then they will all come back when nothing is accomplished. The NFL is just too great a product and dwarfs other sports. Baseball goes on and on and should be cut down by at least two months... basketball is just mind numbing sometimes and at least 10 teams with losing records make the playoffs (which lasts 3 months too long) each year.... and hockey... well, the Canadiens love it, so that tells you something. They all have their moments but in the NFL, every game means something.. each week is an event....its tailor made for TV and big screens and its just a great sport. People will stray momentarily but always come back to the one, true, great sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Because for all the smack we all talk when this stuff happens, we will all be there like Lemmings when it starts again. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Talk Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The NFL is making it difficult to boycott when 31 of the team are still making their fans pay for at least part of their season tickets for this year already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill1952 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The fans have the same problems unions do. The only weapon a union has is the withdrawal of their services - a strike. The only weapon a fan has is the withholding of his money - a boycott. The union faces participation problems. A strike by 10% of the workers is useless. The fans face the same participation problem, A boycott by 10% of the fans would be seen as the buzzing of a fly or a statisticial anomaly by the profit-driven owners.. The union faces legal problems. An illegal stike gets workers fired and the union sued. A boycott of an NFL team or its products will get the organizers sued and harrassed by the owners. I've used this as an example before and it's apt. Suppose the Snide wants more money. After all, a billion is not enough. He decides that beer, which costs him in bulk, about 35 cents a cup, needs to be a big moneymaker. So he charges some price that his marketers say the fan is willing to buy - say $6 a cup. Even when computing storage costs, the costs of employing some guys to walk around selling the stuff, doing the paperwork on the sale, spillage, and doing the taxes, he's still bringing in about $4 a cup in profits. Let's say the fans think that's an unreasonable profit margin. 90% all agree it's too much to pay for a 12 ounce cup of moderately cold beer (the other 10% being either the very wealthy, those that REALLY need beer, or those that don't drink it). The fans all get together and try to organize a "Don't buy beer at Fedex" game. If that entire 90% of all fans would participate, it would make the Redskins at least have a meeting and re-discuss what the price of a beer should be. But if it were to last only a single week, and the Skins knew it was for only a single week, they wouldn't like it, but they'd go right on with $6 beer. Instead let's say the 90% continue with full participation until the Snide caved in and agreed to lower the price to just $3 a cup. He still makes a lot of mney. But face it, only the participation of 90% of the beer drinking public forced him to do that. Now picture the same scenario with half of the 90%. The first week really digs into his profits, but he's still making a lot of money. So he holds out. The second week of the boycott, nothing has changed but a lot more of the beer-drinkers see the boycott is ineffective so they sneak a few beers at the half. By the third week of the boycott you've only got the 10% hardliners participating and the Snide starts thinking about $7.50 a cup or reducing the size of the beer to a 10 ounce cup. Lesson learned? Fan boycotts, like strikes, are only effective when participation is high, usually above 75% to 80%. That only happens when Individuals think more about the group than they do about themselves or they think long-term over immediate gratification. The lack of participation (i.e apathy or self-centeredness) makes the boycott unsuccessful just like it does in a strike. Sorry. A fan boycott is a great thought. But it's doomed to failure unless you can get really high participation and you won't get it. Too many non-partcipants. But it's not the first lost cause I ever joined. Let me know when to cancel my NFL Sunday ticket or ask for something for Christmas besides Redskin stuff. My guess is I'll never get the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I was just talking to a co-worker this morning about the plausibility of a fan "lock-out"... bringing up the use of facebook in Egypt as an example of a mass message spreading via realistic means... though we both dismissed the idea as far fetched; I do find it insulting that the players and the owners and the league are so "sorry" for the fans on a potential work stoppage but never does the idea of lowering ticket and concession prices cross their minds... everyone is looking out for the fans "best interest" by consistently raising ticket prices and hiking up any other facet of income... personally I'd love to see the fans somehow unite and bring the game back to the people but it's the stuff of fairy tales and movies... "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Levi Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Owners think they control the NFL cause they can grow the product, Players think they are the reason the NFL is so big. In the end why dont the fans take it into their own hands and lockout the NFL. Because we ****ing LOVE the NFL and will eagerly spend our money on it if they ever work **** out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mursilis Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Because we ****ing LOVE the NFL and will eagerly spend our money on it if they ever work **** out. Speaking only for myself, I agree with the first part and you're completely wrong with the second. Yes, I'll watch the 'skins on TV if they're playing - wouldn't miss it for the world. But I won't actually pay (much) money to go to games or watch them on TV. I've always been and will continue to be a cheap fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIN4WAHOOZ Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 fans need the league far more than the league needs the fans. congratulations...thats the dumbest thing ive heard alllll day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mursilis Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 congratulations...thats the dumbest thing ive heard alllll day! Then explain all the people giving money to Snyder for tickets to games which may not even be played. We'll see how far this "fan lockout" gets. I'm guessing not far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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