KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I asked this question in another thread, but it kind of derailed that one... So I want to pose it here. I'm going to say outright that I don't mean offense to anyone. I'm always going to say outright that what happened in Japan is a horrific, and tragic event. And very sad. But here's my question, and yes its serious and no its not meant to get people riled up. It's an honest question... I keep hearing people asking others to pray for those in Japan... Which, I understand is just a gesture to show the Japanese and anyone else that was over there some good will. But, what exactly will praying accomplish? And I don't mean that in an anti-religion way. I mean, God is all knowing. He was aware of the events occuring. He may not have caused the events, but he certainly didn't stop them. What will praying do for those people now? Why not send care packages and money? That will help them more than prayers at this point. Of course, I think I may have mentioned my own question... It's a good will gesture. But praying now won't make God hit rewind. What's done is done, at least until we figure out how to time travel. Again... I'm not intending for this to be an argument. Rather, I'd like this to be a discussion. I realize that many will disagree with me, here... And that's more than okay... But let's have a respectful discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Just hope they all right It's just good thoughts towards them, hoping they get through, showing support towards them Not really anything bad or negative so I have no problem with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 Just hope they all rightIt's just good thoughts towards them, hoping they get through, showing support towards them Not really anything bad or negative so I have no problem with it Oh. No. I don't have any problem with it. This whole thing was just a question... I'm not condemning anyone for what they believe in the least. Just curious is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 And people do send care packages and money. People are texting the Red Cross and donating etc. Really see no issue with it. Just helping out others in need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 And people do send care packages and money. People are texting the Red Cross and donating etc. Really see no issue with it. Just helping out others in need Hi. Did you read my reply? I still see no issue with it at all. It's a question. Honest. And it's good to know that people are helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Again, why not do both? Why not send care packages and pray? For those who believe and have faith in God praying has accomplished many things. If you don't believe, praying is not gonna help you one lick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Overwhelmingly, the religious in the US donate vast amounts of money and more importantly, time and effort, to help out those in need. It doesn't get a lot of attention in the media because it isn't glitzy enough to rate a headline, but people's expression of their faith is still a motivating factor to act. Indifference would concern me far more. No one is praying for God to "hit the rewind button", but perhaps to give the Japanese strength to endure this nightmare. If you believe, then it helps. If you don't, then there's no damage done. No downside to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Hi.Did you read my reply? I still see no issue with it at all. It's a question. Honest. And it's good to know that people are helping. If you have no issue with it why the thread and why the drama in that other Shame thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 Again, why not do both? Why not send care packages and pray? For those who believe and have faith in God praying has accomplished many things. If you don't believe, praying is not gonna help you one lick. Overwhelmingly, the religious in the US donate vast amounts of money and more importantly, time and effort, to help out those in need. It doesn't get a lot of attention in the media because it isn't glitzy enough to rate a headline, but people's expression of their faith is still a motivating factor to act. Indifference would concern me far more.No one is praying for God to "hit the rewind button", but perhaps to give the Japanese strength to endure this nightmare. If you believe, then it helps. If you don't, then there's no damage done. No downside to it. Both of these replies make sense. I wasn't even aware that the religious were donating in huge amounts in various ways. That's great. And I you're both probably right... There isn't much of a downside to praying... It's a show of good will. That makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Overwhelmingly, the religious in the US donate vast amounts of money and more importantly, time and effort, to help out those in need. It doesn't get a lot of attention in the media because it isn't glitzy enough to rate a headline, but people's expression of their faith is still a motivating factor to act. Indifference would concern me far more.No one is praying for God to "hit the rewind button", but perhaps to give the Japanese strength to endure this nightmare. If you believe, then it helps. If you don't, then there's no damage done. No downside to it. very very good reply, agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 If you have no issue with it why the thread and why the drama in that other Shame thread Because I wanted to get an answer? What drama? Because I respect this community, and their viewpoints? Because I myself couldn't figure it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I have more of a theological question. I understand the idea of the imperfect man with the free will to either sin or not. To ask for forgiveness or not. But why would God create an imperfect world for his ultimate creation? A world where earthquakes and tsunami's are possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Both of these replies make sense. I wasn't even aware that the religious were donating in huge amounts in various ways. That's great.And I you're both probably right... There isn't much of a downside to praying... It's a show of good will. That makes sense. and LD, lol...LD...anyways, LD is right. they don't make the headlines. they aren't celebrities donating millions of dollars, they are church's, organizations, and religious groups at schools that put their money together for causes like this. we did it for haiti, we did it during 9/11, heck we had a man at our church that had no money to afford his special care for his blood disease and we had an auction for him that raised double what he needed (we sold a cowboys jersey and the guy who bought it made a video for all of us of his fireplace, lol) in 1 days time, and we will do it for japan. i might talk about it here, but the only time we talk about it as a group is when we praise God for bringing people together in a time of anguish. when things like Japan happen it always reminds me of Footprints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 What will praying do for those people now? Why not send care packages and money? That will help them more than prayers at this point.Of course, I think I may have mentioned my own question... It's a good will gesture. But praying now won't make God hit rewind. What's done is done, at least until we figure out how to time travel. Again... I'm not intending for this to be an argument. Rather, I'd like this to be a discussion. I realize that many will disagree with me, here... And that's more than okay... But let's have a respectful discussion... I certainly agree simply praying is not enough,but if you don't believe in the power of prayer why concern yourself with others that do? Hard to have a respectful conversation if you don't respect the act you are asking about....but maybe you can pull it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I have more of a theological question. I understand the idea of the imperfect man with the free will to either sin or not. To ask for forgiveness or not. But why would God create an imperfect world for his ultimate creation? A world where earthquakes and tsunami's are possible? The Earth was cursed on account of man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 and LD, lol...LD...anyways, LD is right. they don't make the headlines. they aren't celebrities donating millions of dollars, they are church's, organizations, and religious groups at schools that put their money together for causes like this. we did it for haiti, we did it during 9/11, heck we had a man at our church that had no money to afford his special care for his blood disease and we had an auction for him that raised double what he needed (we sold a cowboys jersey and the guy who bought it made a video for all of us of his fireplace, lol) in 1 days time, and we will do it for japan. i might talk about it here, but the only time we talk about it as a group is when we praise God for bringing people together in a time of anguish. when things like Japan happen it always reminds me of Footprints I'm not an overly religious person, but this reply makes a TON of sense. This is the kind of answer I was looking for. It makes it that much more clear for me. It's about showing compassion for a fellow human and bringing together people of all different backgrounds to help with a horrible, horrible situation. :applause: to both Tweed and LD for their replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 i'm not an overly religious person, but this reply makes a ton of sense.This is the kind of answer i was looking for. It makes it that much more clear for me. It's about showing compassion for a fellow human and bringing together people of all different backgrounds to help with a horrible, horrible situation. :applause: To both tweed and ld for their replies. huzzah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I asked this question in another thread, but it kind of derailed that one... So I want to pose it here.I'm going to say outright that I don't mean offense to anyone. I'm always going to say outright that what happened in Japan is a horrific, and tragic event. And very sad. But here's my question, and yes its serious and no its not meant to get people riled up. It's an honest question... I keep hearing people asking others to pray for those in Japan... Which, I understand is just a gesture to show the Japanese and anyone else that was over there some good will. But, what exactly will praying accomplish? And I don't mean that in an anti-religion way. I mean, God is all knowing. He was aware of the events occuring. He may not have caused the events, but he certainly didn't stop them. What will praying do for those people now? Why not send care packages and money? That will help them more than prayers at this point. Of course, I think I may have mentioned my own question... It's a good will gesture. But praying now won't make God hit rewind. What's done is done, at least until we figure out how to time travel. Again... I'm not intending for this to be an argument. Rather, I'd like this to be a discussion. I realize that many will disagree with me, here... And that's more than okay... But let's have a respectful discussion... Actually what I do not get is people posting prayers I understand saying to a person who is under going trial you are in our thoughts and prayers may be a way to convey to them that you care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 I certainly agree simply praying is not enough,but if you don't believe in the power of prayer why concern yourself with others that do?Hard to have a respectful conversation if you don't respect the act you are asking about....but maybe you can pull it off See, this is where people are pulling in their own thoughts about what I'm saying. Do yourself a favor for the conversation. Don't. I respect others free will. No matter my belief. People can do whatever it is they want, and they certainly don't owe anyone an explanation. But I chose fit to ask. Some have seen that I was curious and actually replied with great, great answers that make a ton of sense. This isn't a troll attempt, I can't make that more clear. Do as you wish. If praying is your thing, by all means, go for it. It doesn't bother me. The question was, again, what do people think it accomplishes? And I think that was answered quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 The Earth was cursed on account of man This I agree with, God didn't make an imperfect world, man did when he disobeyed God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 This I agree with, God didn't make an imperfect world, man did when he disobeyed God. Is this an Adam and Eve thing? Don't eat the fruit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I have more of a theological question. I understand the idea of the imperfect man with the free will to either sin or not. To ask for forgiveness or not. But why would God create an imperfect world for his ultimate creation? A world where earthquakes and tsunami's are possible? Who says we are his ultimate creation? How could the world be perfect if we are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Is this an Adam and Eve thing? Don't eat the fruit? Yes as part of the deal the Earth was cursed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 The Earth was cursed on account of man So wait, I thought eating the forbidden fruit resulted in mortality and sin. It also resulted in God creating a world with earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 To me, this type of conversation is a good measure of the community. Politics and religion are usually third-rail topics that cannot even be mentioned without someone getting their panties in a bunch, the fact that they are regularly bandied about here says something good about those involved. KD doesn't rate any ire for asking, that's what you're supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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