Super Bowl XVII Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 What do you think our first round #10 pick is worth (as far draft picks). I have been thinking that trading down may be our best option, but I am unsure what our first round pick's value is. Is it worth two second round picks? A second and a third? Two thirds? Does anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Depends who is sitting there that someone else covets. It could be worth nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 That's a hard question to answer. Here is the draft value chart: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670 From what I understand the chart is quickly becoming obsolete. If a team really wants to move up or down they are willing to stray from the chart. It appears there are about 10-14 blue chip studs in this draft, so the #10 pick might be more valuable than in years past. Also, when a new CBA is agreed upon there is likely to be a rookie wage scale which will make rookie contracts less crippling... making the prospect of moving up an easier move for teams to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 It's definitely worth a first and second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 See it also is going to depend on the roookie wage scale. It's too early to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I would take 3 2nds and a ham sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTR F Dallas Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 All depends on players available and what team wants a particular player at #10, but I'd guess we'd get around a late first rounder and 2nd round... I'd rather not trade the #10 pick for 2 2nd rounders... definitly not a 2nd and 3rd... maybe like 2 2nd's and 2 3rds.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bowl XVII Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 I'd rather not trade the #10 pick for 2 2nd rounders... definitly not a 2nd and 3rd... I know it depends on the draft, but there is usually some great value in the 2-3 rounds. We could have selected DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Tracy Porter, Matt Forte, Eddie Royal, Ray Rice, Chad Henne, Jamaal Charles, etc. etc. in 2008. Instead we picked DT, MK, and FD. We have new coaches and new systems in place now so I think the more the merrier. Unless, there is a stud at #10 who we can't pass on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeBilly Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I am hoping that our #10 is something the Patriots want so that they can draft WR Julio Jones ahead of the Rams. If they want him, we could get their 28th and 33rd pick in exchange. We could draft Mike Pouncey at 28 and get a top DE/NT/OLB/FS at 33 and then maybe Locker or Ponder with our 41st pick. Those first two picks would really help out this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The ONLY people that can answer this question include Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan because the VALUE of our pick is their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Here's the draft value chart. Make up your own values. This chart should be closer to realism now that there should be a rookie scale in place whenever these rooks sign. Remember that future year picks are always devalued. An example would be the 4th we got for Campbell in 2012 would have probably been a 6th in 2010. ETA: Nevermind, wrong link. Link already posted anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Here's the draft value chart. Make up your own values.This chart should be closer to realism now that there should be a rookie scale in place whenever these rooks sign. Remember that future year picks are always devalued. An example would be the 4th we got for Campbell in 2012 would have probably been a 6th in 2010. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272388 How good is Chris Neild? You have him in your sig and this link? You must really like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 How good is Jim Haslett? You have him in your sig. You must really hate him. =P The draft value chart is linked in the 3rd post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 How good is Jim Haslett? You have him in your sig. You must really hate him. =P The draft value chart is linked in the 3rd post. I will give Haslett the benefit of the doubt. However, until the next season begins, I will be rocking this sig........ As for what I will trade for the 10th pick. I would trade that for a 1st and a 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien1191 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I would take 3 2nds and a ham sandwich It's definitely worth a first and second round pick. All depends on players available and what team wants a particular player at #10, but I'd guess we'd get around a late first rounder and 2nd round... I'd rather not trade the #10 pick for 2 2nd rounders... definitly not a 2nd and 3rd... maybe like 2 2nd's and 2 3rds.. You guys are out of your trees. Not even Vinny would have given up 4 picks in the top 3 rounds for the #10 pick. That's a stretch for a top 5 pick. 3 2nds or a 1st/2nd is a stretch too. I don't care what the stupid outdated chart says, # of picks are more valuable than order nowadays. There's too much talent. I'd take 2 2nd and 2 3rds 100 times out of 100 instead of the #10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 You guys are out of your trees. Not even Vinny would have given up 4 picks in the top 3 rounds for the #10 pick. That's a stretch for a top 5 pick. 3 2nds or a 1st/2nd is a stretch too. I don't care what the stupid outdated chart says, # of picks are more valuable than order nowadays. There's too much talent. I'd take 2 2nd and 2 3rds 100 times out of 100 instead of the #10 pick. For the record I was kidding! Ham sandwiches aside I think a first and a second is not a stretch. Especially with a team that holds multiple seconds and a late first. IE Patriots. If they wanted someone real bad they would do the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I know it depends on the draft, but there is usually some great value in the 2-3 rounds. We could have selected DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Tracy Porter, Matt Forte, Eddie Royal, Ray Rice, Chad Henne, Jamaal Charles, etc. This is the reason no one will trade up with us for that #10 pick. The 10th pick is worthless to the rest of the league unless names like Newton, Gabbart, and Julio Jones are availible. It's gonna take that special skill position player for us to move down. The only teams who prefers 1 top prospect instead of 2 of them feel that way when that special player they need is there for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dro89 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 it really depends on what a team wants if they are desperate enough they will overtrade.. IMO the pats will trade up.. after what Julio Jones did at the combine.. and i think they'd be willing to give up 17 and 28 to get there.. 33 is basically a 1st round pick.. and they still have a 2nd.. two 3rds.. and i think 2 4ths.. idk what they traded forthat WR from Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 If there's a rookie wage scale, then it will skyrocket. Think about having the #10 pick for something like $10-15 million for 4-5 years, instead of the $30 million it would have cost last year. Teams are going to be jumping up and down to take a chance on guys with that much talent for that small a price. When the NBA got a rookie cap, the #1 pick went from being paid $68 million for 10 years to about $8.5 million total for not more than 3 years ($2.8 million per season, about 41% of what the #1 pick made the year before). If the NFL went to a similar format (also noting that teams could sign their rookies without any salary cap implications), we should expect something along these lines, assuming 3 - 4 year contracts: # : Contract Totals for 3 seasons - 4seasons, $ per season (% guaranteed, $per season) 1 : $16.7 million - $22.3 million, $5.6 million (64%, $3.6) 2 : $16 - $21.3, $5.3 million (63%, $3.3) 3 : $15.5 - $20.7, $5.2 (62%, $3.2) 4 : $12.3 - $16.4, $4.1 (61%, $2.5) 5 : $12.3 - $16.4, $4.1 (58%, $2.4) 6 : $12.3 - $16.4, $4.1 (57%, $2.3) 7 : $9.8 - $13.3, $3.3 (57%, $1.9) 8 : $9.5 - $12.7, $3.2 (56%, $1.8) 9 : $9.1 - $12.1, $3 (56%, $1.7) 10:$6.9 - $9.2, $2.3 (52%, $1.2) Let me explain the numbers a little, those are the contracts for the top 10 picks from last year from highest contract per year to lowest contract per year, minus 59%, which is basically what the NBA did. Guaranteed money was from the highest guaranteed % to the lowest in the top 10. At the end, the guaranteed portion of the contract may come down to negotiations still, but this was based on last season, so it's the best guess I have based on the facts at hand. It will also be better tiered than this (for example, instead of dropping from 56% to 52% guaranteed, it will probably drop only .5 - 1%), but, again, I went with the numbers from last season instead of making up my own. The NBA cap was done with the approval of all the vets AND the owners. The NFLPA can pretend they don't want a rookie cap, but they don't represent players that aren't in the league yet, and their current members have stated several times that they aren't happy with the situation (ridiculous rookie salaries without having played a down or proven anything), so they are in favor of it and it will probably look something like this, IMO. If our #10 pick is only getting paid $2.3 million per season, you bet the value of it is going to go up, for the first season anyway, until we understand how the actual talent level lessens when it's not based on the money they're getting paid. I wouldn't be shocked to see the 1st pick be worth 3 1st rounders now. There's hardly any risk with paying a guy a $22 million for 4 seasons. Brandon Lloyd cost more than that and HE wasn't what held us back, certainly not financially anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftCoast Skinz FAN Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP TRADING AND TALKING ABOUT TRADING DRAFT PICKS. THE SKINS NEED TO BUILD A TEAM AND THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS IN THE DRAFT. Sorry for yelling...:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABSTRACT Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP TRADING AND TALKING ABOUT TRADING DRAFT PICKS. THE SKINS NEED TO BUILD A TEAM AND THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS IN THE DRAFT.Sorry for yelling...:-) He's talking about trading back for more draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long n Left Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The value of ANY draft pick is what someone is willing to pay for it. The barter system at its finest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What do you think our first round #10 pick is worth 1,300 points. Which according to the old value chart is worth another teams entire draft (rounds 2-7) http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bowl XVII Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 It's interesting how it can change year to year. Good points made. As of now, I hope we trade back : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdigle Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Assuming we're moving down, I'd take another organization's first for this year and their first for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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