Taylor 36 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thank you MTH. Honestly I am very tired of all the Snyder Bashing on here and in the papers. Yes, the man has made some mistakes with our beloved franchise. But, in my opinion, the man tries to correct those mistakes. All in all, Dan Snyder is a Washington Redskins fan, and wants, as much as we do, for the Redskins to be successful. Did the man name the Redskins, the Redskins? No, it was originally named the Boston Braves, the same as the baseball team, then changed to the Boston Redskins, then they moved to Washington...all before he was born. Did he build FedEx Field? No, it was built before he bought the team. Honestly, my opinion of him changed when he brought Joe Gibbs back to the organization. And further improved when he brought in Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan.I swear the amount of negativity, on the board, towards this man is horrendous. Now, if I see Dan Snyder in the title of a thread, I ignore the thread (This being the exception). So, unfortunately, I have been ignoring most of ES lately. HTTR Great posts, both this one and MTH's OP. I, too, am tired of all the bashing that goes on around here. Some of it is just mob-mentality like. It has gotten old, and to the point where it seems like many of the posters doing it are only doing because they have no lives and would not exist if not to *****, and/or some people seem to think it is the cool thing to do at this point. Jealousy reigns supreme in this country, and it shows on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drastik Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 i dont buy the "gibbs had total control" bit and i never will. dan and vinnys hands were all over some of those moves, especially the contracts. you really think gibbs wanted lloyd? a poor attitude showboating clown who never posted over 800 yards in a season? does he seem like a "gibbs" guy to you? vinny and dan signed off on all the trading picks, huge stupid contracts, and guys that didnt fit our system. you think gibbs really wanted saunders in here after that 2005 season? that didnt reek of "lets get something flashy!" from dan and vinny?ill concede that gibbs made some decisions too that werent very good, but lets not just pretend that gibbs was some autocrat who ordered danny and vinny around to do what he wanted them to do. dans had his hands in everything (hopefully not anymore, but im still taking a wait and see with Allen). Thats all speculation, we dont really know who did what or what transpired behind closed doors. All we know is that Joe Gibbs acknowledged to having final say on all football matters. So all the blame should go directly to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I sent this to my 12 year old niece and asked her to try and translate. I also sent this to my father who does not speak English to see if he could give me a hand. You are not home schooling your niece and your father in the garage are you? If you are QUIT. They are getting dumber by the minute. Give them a chance dude, just give them a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thank you Danny for partnering with Stubhub. There have been unintentional benefits to the fans. I've been able to purchase good tickets at rock bottom prices by waiting for the TO dump stock in the final days leading up to home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drastik Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Joe Gibbs even said that he himself made the trade for Duckett to block him from going to the Eagles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Levi Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 To Crazy Levi, the main point of shining a light on the years leading up to Snyder's purchase of the team is to end the myth that Snyder took a perennial contender and ran it into the ground. Though I'd agree with you that the 1999 team was doing pretty well, if you look at 2000 (Snyder certainly had a hand in that season), the team would have been horrible if not for the Snyder moves. Our offense (the side of the ball that was left alone) fell apart while our defense ascended from 30th to 4th overall. Now, ultimately it was nothing more than an expensive and mediocre season...but the point is that Snyder didn't ruin something special...things were just as bad, if not worse, before he bought the Skins. I understand what you are saying - and you've managed to do it without all the falacies and weak arguments that others have in this thread - but I will respectfully disagree. They were not perrenial contenders, but keep in mind, they were a team in flux, between owners basically, and it was a fairly chaotic time. And still, the team was clearly on the way UP, as we all saw in 1999. It was a young, stable team, up and coming team - not the old, average, no-future team the Skins now field every year. And, as we've all been made painfully aware over the last 12 years, Six years is NOTHING really...a very short period of time. We were not that far removed the glory years, and there was still a sense of hope. The main point is this - Snyder DID run something into the ground even if you don't accept that it was the team. Our collective pride in this team. These days, it's practically shameful to be a Skins fan, and that's all Snyder's fault. It's not because the Skins are losers, it's because they owned by a guy whose practically every decision - both on and off the field - inspires loathing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Great posts, both this one and MTH's OP. I, too, am tired of all the bashing that goes on around here. Some of it is just mob-mentality like. It has gotten old, and to the point where it seems like many of the posters doing it are only doing because they have no lives and would not exist if not to *****, and/or some people seem to think it is the cool thing to do at this point. Jealousy reigns supreme in this country, and it shows on this board. You are the on it as well. Great post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 At the time that each decision was made, it was a popular decision that everyone agreed with, think about it. At the time, No one was upset when Snyder got all the High priced Free Agents (Mark Carrier, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Deion, ect) At the time, No one was upset when Norv was Fired At the time, No one was upset when Marty was hired At the time, No one was upset when Spurriur was hired At the time, No one was upset when Gibbs was hired At the time, No one was upset when we sign Brandon Lyodd At the time, No one was upset when Zorn was coach instead of Fassel At the time, No one was upset when we traded for Jason Tayor At the time, No one was upset when Haynesworth was signed At the time, No one was upset when Shanahan was hired At the time, No one was upset when McNabb was traded for and Campbell was traded away Yes, there were small groups that opposed certain moves, but as a whole, each of the major moves that Snyder made was positively received. Every time when one of these moves was reported on the news, there would be interviews with people on the street claiming that the Superbowl was around the corner because of the recent upgrades to the team. Clearly, most of these moves did not work out, but they were popular at the time. Right now the popular move is to blame the owner, but I think it is just another case where the popular fan opinion is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thats all speculation, we dont really know who did what or what transpired behind closed doors. All we know is that Joe Gibbs acknowledged to having final say on all football matters. So all the blame should go directly to him. could you post where gibbs said that? and if you cant find it can somebody else post where gibbs states that? and even if you can post something where he claims that, ill never believe gibbs was in 100% control. i refuse to believe gibbs was that stupid, and that it was gibbs idea to dole out some of the horrendous contracts. and forget gibbs for a second, look at how bad the zorn stuff was. 08/09 were beyond terrible, especially in our drafting and our FA pickups. the 08 draft is looking like one of the worst drafts in team history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 At the time that each decision was made, it was a popular decision that everyone agreed with, think about it.At the time, No one was upset when Snyder got all the High priced Free Agents (Mark Carrier, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Deion, ect) At the time, No one was upset when Norv was Fired At the time, No one was upset when Marty was hired At the time, No one was upset when Spurriur was hired At the time, No one was upset when Gibbs was hired At the time, No one was upset when we sign Brandon Lyodd At the time, No one was upset when Zorn was coach instead of Fassel At the time, No one was upset when we traded for Jason Tayor At the time, No one was upset when Haynesworth was signed At the time, No one was upset when Shanahan was hired At the time, No one was upset when McNabb was traded for and Campbell was traded away Yes, there were small groups that opposed certain moves, but as a whole, each of the major moves that Snyder made was positively received. Every time when one of these moves was reported on the news, there would be interviews with people on the street claiming that the Superbowl was around the corner because of the recent upgrades to the team. Clearly, most of these moves did not work out, but they were popular at the time. Right now the popular move is to blame the owner, but I think it is just another case where the popular fan opinion is wrong. This is the complete Gospel Truth. Preach On .....Preachit On This room has been exercised of the devils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrbeast Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Dan sucks. sucks he's our owner. but we are forced to live with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Levi Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 At the time that each decision was made, it was a popular decision that everyone agreed with, think about it.At the time, No one was upset when Snyder got all the High priced Free Agents (Mark Carrier, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Deion, ect) At the time, No one was upset when Norv was Fired At the time, No one was upset when Marty was hired At the time, No one was upset when Spurriur was hired At the time, No one was upset when Gibbs was hired At the time, No one was upset when we sign Brandon Lyodd At the time, No one was upset when Zorn was coach instead of Fassel At the time, No one was upset when we traded for Jason Tayor At the time, No one was upset when Haynesworth was signed At the time, No one was upset when Shanahan was hired At the time, No one was upset when McNabb was traded for and Campbell was traded away . WHAT?! Sorry dude, this is pure fantasy. Are you seriously suggesting people didn't have problems with any of the above moves? Your post cannot be taken seriously. Besides...let's say we all live in bizarroworld and you are actually right, that these disastrous moves were all supported on ES. We are fans. We are the exact people you DON'T want running a football team. Snyder is a fan. Why do you guys keep trying to deflect this back on us? Our thoughts have nothing to do with how awful an owner Snyder is. Until you can show me why, you should really retire this tactic, it's a complete fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrbeast Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 [/color] At the time that each decision was made, it was a popular decision that everyone agreed with, think about it.At the time, No one was upset when Snyder got all the High priced Free Agents (Mark Carrier, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Deion, ect) At the time, No one was upset when Norv was Fired At the time, No one was upset when Marty was hired At the time, No one was upset when Spurriur was hired At the time, No one was upset when Gibbs was hired At the time, No one was upset when we sign Brandon Lyodd At the time, No one was upset when Zorn was coach instead of Fassel At the time, No one was upset when we traded for Jason Tayor At the time, No one was upset when Haynesworth was signed At the time, No one was upset when Shanahan was hired At the time, No one was upset when McNabb was traded for and Campbell was traded away Yes, there were small groups that opposed certain moves, but as a whole, each of the major moves that Snyder made was positively received. Every time when one of these moves was reported on the news, there would be interviews with people on the street claiming that the Superbowl was around the corner because of the recent upgrades to the team. Clearly, most of these moves did not work out, but they were popular at the time. Right now the popular move is to blame the owner, but I think it is just another case where the popular fan opinion is wrong. Zorn hiring we were all pretty upset most people wanted Williams... and the reason many people weren't upset is because we are inept when it comes to how to run a football team which is why we have different jobs then an NFL GM (exceptions for madden of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Dan sucks. sucks he's our owner. but we are forced to live with it Not forced. You have choices. You can Move on. No one is hoping or wishing you would stay. Sorry You're not THAT Special. ---------- Post added February-9th-2011 at 11:42 AM ---------- [/color]Zorn hiring we were all pretty upset most people wanted Williams... and the reason many people weren't upset is because we are inept when it comes to how to run a football team which is why we have different jobs then an NFL GM (exceptions for madden of course). Oopppss. One sneaky devil left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrbeast Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Not forced. You have choices. You can Move on. No one is hoping or wishing you would stay. Sorry You're not THAT Special. Dan Snyder is the owner has very little to do with the actual team besides money. Just because you are an Oakland fan does not mean you have to like Al Davis. I am diehard redskins love the team and think the owners a dick (which he is). As much as i wish we had someone like Rooney i would never pick a team or leave a team based off of ownership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantarchy Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Well, it seems to me that all the people here that take any and all options to continue to berate and speak ill of Dan are really not true skins fans.(In my Opinion). I would not want any of them covering my back for one second. Don't like what you see in Ashburn ...LEAVE.. I probably shouldn't be baited by this, but I'm tired of it. In my opinion you could make the argument that turning a blind eye to Dan Snyder is doing nothing more than tacitly supporting mediocrity. The people that are critical of Dan Snyder are critical because they actually care passionately about the Redskins. I think it's harder for them to turn their back on the franchise than anyone, or they would have done so long ago. So, all of you guys who get bent out of shape about the Snyder criticisms keep in mind that it's not about hating the Redskins, it's about being really passionate about them. Anyways, to keep in line with the spirit of the thread - thanks Dan for finally giving us a GM/Head Coach combo with little intervention in football decisions from you. Here's hoping that it is given a chance to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Janky Spanky Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 This thread is hilarious. The OP thanks the owner for four things. Four. Every single one of those things should have happened years ago. 1) Our replay screen was the worst in the league for years. 2) We should have to thank the owner for showing out of town scores? Are you freaking kidding me? Why isn't this a no-brainer? Since when must we thank someone for something that they should have already done years ago. 3) In Philly you can tailgate for as long as you want. I don't know about other stadiums. But yes, I think getting the big HD screens in the lots was great, and I will give props to the owner for that. 4) He should NEVER have been in football operations, and it remains to be seen that he's 100% out, but I'm buying what Shanahan and Allen are selling and I'm believing that the team is now being run by professionals. But, look: We have a right to be annoyed and angry at the owner, and for anyone to say that fans who are pissed at the owner are out of line is simply ridiculous. The owner has run this team into the ground in the past decade because he was too arrogant and narcissistic to the right people run the team. Yes, he wanted to win. And he was willing to spend money. So what?!? Those intentions meant absolutely nothing when he was doing everything the wrong way, and not listening to football people. And now, finally, he has stopped running football operations, and we hope things have turned, and we're looking at no longer being the laughingstock of the NFL.....and he pulls this lawsuit baloney, and we're supposed to not be pissed.... .....and we're supposed to be applauding him because he installed new HD screens and now shows NFL scores inside the stadium!!!! WHAT?!??! It's OK if you want to defend the owner. But to say that Snyder bashers are out of line, and that it's getting old and that they are simply trying to blame everything on Snyder is completely absurd. Yes, I think he's changed....but there are others who are totally reasonable in being skeptical of that and reserving judgment until there is objective proof on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NattyBo Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Yes, there were small groups that opposed certain moves, but as a whole, each of the major moves that Snyder made was positively received. Every time when one of these moves was reported on the news, there would be interviews with people on the street claiming that the Superbowl was around the corner because of the recent upgrades to the team. You have no proof of this other than anecdotal evidence of whatever moron the TV news picked to interview about the moves. PLENTY of people were skeptical about almost all of these moves, except maybe the very first round, which came before they knew better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Zorn hiring we were all pretty upset most people wanted Williams... and the reason many people weren't upset is because we are inept when it comes to how to run a football team which is why we have different jobs then an NFL GM (exceptions for madden of course).Don't forget that Danny has a whole radio station, plus Sonny, plus he had George Michael touting every move he made. Every move the makes is accompanies by a media blitz to support it. Any possible negativity is suppressed and rendered impotent. Any doubter is instantly a hater. The WP is vilified. And now a paper is actually sued. Many people here still cannot separate Danny from the Skins. He had many (including me) brainwashed for a long time, but a mountain of evidence is a mountain of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 "no one was upset when Haynesworth was signed" Shirly you cannot be serious there panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Dan Snyder is the owner has very little to do with the actual team besides money. Just because you are an Oakland fan does not mean you have to like Al Davis. I am diehard redskins love the team and think the owners a dick (which he is). As much as i wish we had someone like Rooney i would never pick a team or leave a team based off of ownership How do any of you know Dan is a dick or any other name you call him. Do any of you know him personally? I should say not. If any of you really got to know him you might just like him. How many times have you been called names behind your back, only to have some one look at you crook eyed, like you had two heads and didn't like you based off whay someone else's opinion of you was? Did you like it? No I have never met him personally, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 1993-1998 When the Skins essentially very little ownership due to JKC health problems. If you wish to conveniently "throw out" 1999 (a team that Snyder clearly had nothing to do with), the Skins still had 2 winning seasons from 93-98 and ZERO from 00-05. I didn't think throwing out a season in which Snyder owned the team was "convenient" to my point at all. Some points though: 1) The team was set up with a GM, an established coach, and an owner who was willing to spend money in those seasons 2) The owner might have had failing health, but was invested enough to build a stadium, so I think he was still engaged in the team 3) 2005 was both a winning and playoff year (which was better than 1996 and 1997) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettstr Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 This thread is hilarious.The OP thanks the owner for four things. Four. Every single one of those things should have happened years ago. 1) Our replay screen was the worst in the league for years. 2) We should have to thank the owner for showing out of town scores? Are you freaking kidding me? Why isn't this a no-brainer? Since when must we thank someone for something that they should have already done years ago. 3) In Philly you can tailgate for as long as you want. I don't know about other stadiums. But yes, I think getting the big HD screens in the lots was great, and I will give props to the owner for that. 4) He should NEVER have been in football operations, and it remains to be seen that he's 100% out, but I'm buying what Shanahan and Allen are selling and I'm believing that the team is now being run by professionals. But, look: We have a right to be annoyed and angry at the owner, and for anyone to say that fans who are pissed at the owner are out of line is simply ridiculous. The owner has run this team into the ground in the past decade because he was too arrogant and narcissistic to the right people run the team. Yes, he wanted to win. And he was willing to spend money. So what?!? Those intentions meant absolutely nothing when he was doing everything the wrong way, and not listening to football people. And now, finally, he has stopped running football operations, and we hope things have turned, and we're looking at no longer being the laughingstock of the NFL.....and he pulls this lawsuit baloney, and we're supposed to not be pissed.... .....and we're supposed to be applauding him because he installed new HD screens and now shows NFL scores inside the stadium!!!! WHAT?!??! It's OK if you want to defend the owner. But to say that Snyder bashers are out of line, and that it's getting old and that they are simply trying to blame everything on Snyder is completely absurd. Yes, I think he's changed....but there are others who are totally reasonable in being skeptical of that and reserving judgment until there is objective proof on the field. If you and the others keep going like this, you are going to ruin your blood pressure. Its not that serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrbeast Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 How do any of you know Dan is a dick or any other name you call him. Do any of you know him personally? I should say not. If any of you really got to know him you might just like him. How many times have you been called names behind your back, only to have some one look at you crook eyed, like you had two heads and didn't like you based off whay someone else's opinion of you was? Did you like it? No I have never met him personally, just saying. Bisciotti chills in my neighborhood a lot and is friends with my parents friends and you would be surprised (although everyone else would not) with the stories he has about Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 WHAT?!Sorry dude, this is pure fantasy. Are you seriously suggesting people didn't have problems with any of the above moves? Your post cannot be taken seriously. Besides...let's say we all live in bizarroworld and you are actually right, that these disastrous moves were all supported on ES. We are fans. We are the exact people you DON'T want running a football team. Snyder is a fan. Why do you guys keep trying to deflect this back on us? Our thoughts have nothing to do with how awful an owner Snyder is. Until you can show me why, you should really retire this tactic, it's a complete fallacy. That was my point, the FANS are mad at Snyder, "the exact people you DON'T want running a football team". So maybe this whole movement where the fans are blaming Snyder for not winning a superbowl is crap too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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