NavyDave Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Honor Killing??? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/07/2011-02-07_muzzammil_hassan_convicted_of_beheading_wife_after_only_50_minutes_of_deliberati.html A Western New York man was convicted of beheading his wife after the jury deliberated for only an hour on Monday. Muzzammil Hassan used hunting knives to kill his wife of nine years, Aasiya Hassan in February of 2009, six days after she filed for divorce. The verdict came after a trial that featured Hassan defending himself and often going into long diatribes in his own defense. While he never denied beheading his wife, Hassan claimed throughout the trial that he in fact was a battered spouse and had feared for his own life. In the middle of the two-week trial, he took the witness stand for four days, sputtering bizarre testimony about his marriage, according to the Buffalo News. "All these people are hearing stories," he told the jury in closing arguments, the newspaper said. "They want you to believe stories are evidence. They have no witnesses." Earlier in the trial, he dismissed his lawyer Jeremy Schwartz, who acted as his legal advisor through the duration of the trial, CNN.com reported. Muzzammil Hassan convicted of beheading wife after only 50 minutes of deliberations The television executive told the unconvinced jurors that the prosecution based their case on lies spread by his wife during the last two years of their marriage. After an hour of his closing statement, the newspaper reported that jurors began looking restless. The prosecution slammed his case saying that as soon as Hassan realized his wife was leaving him, he chose to kill her. Their case was helped by testimony from two of the Hassan's children who testified that their father had become violent in the past, a local television station WIVB reported. "Self defense? Not a chance, not even close," the prosecutor said. "Ladies and gentlemen, this is intentional murder beyond a reasonable doubt — quite frankly, beyond any doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Very cool news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So a guy kills his wife after she decided to leave him. I guess its great he got convicted, guess someone else is going to have to explain to me why this is a big or important story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 NavyDave's the poster. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I suppose it's noteworthy in that a beheading is pretty unusual and it's ironic that a guy who was trying to dispel stereotypes about Muslim Americans ended up doing something that is going to perpetuate those stereotypes. However, it's an extremely isolated incident. PS - Didn't you already post links on more than one occasion to articles about this murder? Milking it for all it's worth, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So a guy kills his wife after she decided to leave him. I guess its great he got convicted, guess someone else is going to have to explain to me why this is a big or important story. I'm trying to figure out why you think that beheading your wife isn't a "big" or "important" story! Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I'm trying to figure out why you think that beheading your wife isn't a "big" or "important" story! Yikes. Unfortunately domestic violence isn't exactly uncommon in this country. Yes its a disgusting act and there is shock value but what makes it so much more important than all the other acts of domestic violence. I guess I don't see any value in just saying look this guy beheaded his wife because she was leaving him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Yeah, beheadings are a common occurrence in the United States. :eyeroll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Unfortunately domestic violence isn't exactly uncommon in this country. Yes its a disgusting act and there is shock value but what makes it so much more important than all the other acts of domestic violence. I guess I don't see any value in just saying look this guy beheaded his wife because she was leaving him. Then I'd argue that domestic violence needs to become more of a story. Moreso, domestic violence that ends in murder whether or not the murder is as horrific as this one. Once we become blase about murder we're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Then I'd argue that domestic violence needs to become more of a story. Moreso, domestic violence that ends in murder whether or not the murder is as horrific as this one. Once we become blase about murder we're in trouble. I entirely agree with you, domestic violence is something that needs to be a story because it still happens far to often. Its just interesting that people seem to be trying to warp this story at least away from domestic violence because of the methods of murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hey, what married man doesn't want some head from time to time. Gee, I don't remember ND posting about the white woman who shot her kids for being mouthy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I guess I better go make some popcorn for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 There are roughly 1.6 billion Muslims. To put that figure differently, about one out of every five people on this planet is Muslim. Let's just assume, for discussion's sake, that there are 10 million bloodthirsty, crazy Muslims. Even if that is the case, that would mean that about 0.5% of Muslims are wild-eyed nutjobs and about 99.5% are not. Nonetheless, people will cite a few stories about crazed people to perpetuate stereotypes about that person's ethnicity. It's nothing new and people will continue to do the same thing with respect to other groups in the future. This reminds me of a guy I met in law school who was from the U.K. He told me that he thought almost every American owned a gun and that most Americans had to dodge bullets from drive-bys to get their mail (he was just being slightly hyperbolic). He said the reason he believed as much was because he read newspaper articles about so many shootings. Frankly, I was surprised that a guy who was so smart could be so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hey, what married man doesn't want some head from time to time.Gee, I don't remember ND posting about the white woman who shot her kids for being mouthy.... Well shooting people is the American way and one may not want to have some of those OT scriptures gone over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Riggo, I see what you did there. Actually from the headline I figured the guy only thought about it for 50 minutes before lopping her head off. This is big news of course because those ragheads are involved and it proves Islam is no religion of peace. /sarcasm off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Guys kill women who leave them all the time. I guess the method matters? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Riggo, I see what you did there.Actually from the headline I figured the guy only thought about it for 50 minutes before lopping her head off. This is big news of course because those ragheads are involved and it proves Islam is no religion of peace. /sarcasm off. Regardless of the religion issue, this is big news. Not sure why some of you are pretending it isn't. Murder. Beheading. Spousal Abuse. These are all very serious issues that deserve our attention. This was a horrific act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Regardless of the religion issue, this is big news. Not sure why some of you are pretending it isn't. Murder. Beheading. Spousal Abuse. These are all very serious issues that deserve our attention. This was a horrific act. Of course. But that isn't the context in which ND brought it up. I think if anyone else had posted it, that would be the topic. But since ND did .. along with his rhetorical opening question.. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I suppose, but as I didn't appreciate the right trivializing journalists being assaulted, I find the left trivializing this equally disturbing. Each story on its merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I suppose, but as I didn't appreciate the right trivializing journalists being assaulted, I find the left trivializing this equally disturbing. Each story on its merits. This is obviously a horrific act and shouldn't be trivialized as anything of this sort shouldn't be. I think the main problem some people here are having is that ND seems to simply be using this story as a soapbox for his anti-Muslim stances as evidenced by his own leading question at the beginning and the apparent fact that he has linked to this story in other threads. Which is ridiculous but, unfortunately, seems par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Regardless of the religion issue... This is your mistake, right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 This is your mistake, right here. I think you're right and wrong simultaneously. Firstly, I think it's a legit story on its merits regardless of religion. It's a topic worthy of our consideration and attention. Now, is it fair to examine the influence of religion on this act amongst the factors that led to this act? There is a sad history of abuse of women in the Middle East, so, I think it's fair to include it amongst the variables we consider, but it's also fair to say that this is the act of a horrible individual and is not a reflection of the greater Islamic society and that these acts are far rarer in Middle Eastern society than one would beleive by the stories we hear. Finally, just because it's an ND thread doesn't mean we should not do the topic justice. The off-handedness just bugged me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 So this guys defense for cutting his wife's head off was that she was mean to him decided to leave him. Really? That's the best he could come up with? I'm surprised it took the jury that long to reach a verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 There's no way this guy gets anything less than 1st degree murder, right? I mean, there are a lot of ways to kill somebody in a moment of passion (which I believe would qualify as 2nd degree. I'm not a lawyer, but my wife watches them on TV all the time ), but I doubt beheading somebody falls into that category. And I'd have to assume that if this portion is correct: "The prosecution slammed his case saying that as soon as Hassan realized his wife was leaving him, he chose to kill her." then it would qualify as pre-meditated, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think you're right and wrong simultaneously. Firstly, I think it's a legit story on its merits regardless of religion. It's a topic worthy of our consideration and attention. Now, is it fair to examine the influence of religion on this act amongst the factors that led to this act? There is a sad history of abuse of women in the Middle East, so, I think it's fair to include it amongst the variables we consider, but it's also fair to say that this is the act of a horrible individual and is not a reflection of the greater Islamic society and that these acts are far rarer in Middle Eastern society than one would beleive by the stories we hear.Finally, just because it's an ND thread doesn't mean we should not do the topic justice. The off-handedness just bugged me. Nobody is trivializing this heinous story. People are quesioning, and mocking, the op because based on past history this posting had nothing to do with violence against women and everything to do with a Muslim committing murder.Spousal abuse (in both directions) is a serious and sometimes tragic problem. If you or anyone else feels like starting a thread about that topic I'm there. Or, since turnabout is fair play, we can simply hijack ND's thread here and start the discussion. But I don't see people here meaning to take domestic violence lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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