Special K Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Why? I keep seeing people saying this in here, but I already admitted I don't enough about this to understand why Biden's comments are so dumb and have asked for people to explain their opinion on the matter. Because you don't patronize rioting people by essentially telling them their grievances are unfounded because Mubarak is a good friend to our country and Israel. That's just going to piss people off and inflame the situation further. Responses during this time need to be carefully composed to as to not inflame the situation over there: either keep your mouth shut, or stay neutral until things shake out. EDIT: Whoopsies, I see Mooka got to it before me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The interesting thing is does Iran try again at another round of protests That's what I'm hoping for. ---------- Post added January-28th-2011 at 11:48 PM ---------- yes, depending of course upon who takes charge next. could be good, could be really bad. What are the bad options in Iran? Their government was built on anti-Americanism/Westernism. Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 That's what I'm hoping for.---------- Post added January-28th-2011 at 11:48 PM ---------- What are the bad options in Iran? Their government was built on anti-Americanism/Westernism. Serious question. The same bad options which are possibilities whenever any country goes through a revolution, that whoever seizes power becomes corrupt themselves. The Bolshevik revolution didn't exactly wind up working out after they ousted the tsar, for example. Every revolutiohas the inherent risk that an equally bad or worse form of government/rule takes its place. That's all I was saying. I'm not an expert on Iran so I'm not familiar with all the likely power players that could pose a similar threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Because this is a bad situation over there that needs to calm down. Our response should be smart and calculated. Telling the rioting people that their President is a good ally of the US and a strong ally of Israel is straight retarded right now. They probably don't believe a word that comes out of Hilary's mouth, but at least she's trying to do some damage control. Biden's comments are so stupid, I'm starting to believe he's a spy trying to sabotage the US from the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't know anything about Mubarak. Can you all explain why Biden is stupid for what he said? Because all I'm seeing is Biden sticking with someone the US has assisted but also stating that the guy needs to listen to his people. Has Mubarak done a lot of nasty things proving he is a dictator? Do the protestors have a good replacement candidate? Well, from what I gather from wikipedia, he was only made president because the old president was assassinated while Mubarak was vice president. That was in 1981! So, I don't know if there are other powers in Egypt that keep him in check, but it's obviously a case where people want to be able to vote for the president rather than be forced to accept one guy until he dies. He might not technically be a dictator, but he at least sounds pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The same bad options which are possibilities whenever any country goes through a revolution, that whoever seizes power becomes corrupt themselves. The Bolshevik revolution didn't exactly wind up working out after they ousted the tsar, for example. Every revolutiohas the inherent risk that an equally bad or worse form of government/rule takes its place. That's all I was saying. I'm not an expert on Iran so I'm not familiar with all the likely power players that could pose a similar threat. If you think about it, Iran is on their Bolsheviks now; with the Shah being the Czar. I get what you're saying, but with their government since '79, there's almost no place to go but up. The students and other protesters weren't risking their lives to put a more hard-lined government in place. That's for sure. Something like 70% of the Iranian population is under 30. They want freedom and a modern homeland with a modern government. BTW, I love Joe Biden but he needs to stfu. I hope there is some long game they're playing here (that we don't see) and he didn't say this because he actually thinks it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 And then we have: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/28/gop-conference-chairman-america-must-stand-with-egypt/ GOP Conference chairman: America must stand with Egypt mug.cnnpolitics By: CNN Political Unit (CNN) - GOP Conference chairman Thaddeus McCotter voiced his support for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak Friday in a statement released on his website.The Republican congressman from Michigan likened demonstrations in Egypt to "Iran's 1979 radical revolution." He cautions that those who "will be tempted to superficially interpret the Egyptian demonstrations as an uprising for populist democracy" should instead "recall how such similar initial views of the 1979 Iranian Revolution were belied by the mullahs' radical jackbooted murderers." McCotter, the chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee, called for America to back Egypt, stating, "Thus America must stand with her ally Egypt to preserve an imperfect government capable of reform; and prevent a tyrannical government capable of harm. "For if Egypt is radicalized, all of the reforms sought by the Egyptian people and supported by the United States with them - including consensual and constitutional government; free elections; open and unbridled media; and Egyptian control of their natural resources - will be lost. Nascent democratic movements in the region will be co-opted and radicalized." He further references Iran, saying, "Inexcusably, this crisis has been hastened and exacerbated by the U.S. Administration's refusal to wholeheartedly embrace Iran's truly democratic 2009 Green Revolution." McCotter closed his statement with advice on how to proceed, "If we fail to meet today's enemy on the same determined, principled terms, we will too late awake in a nightmare world. But, if today's enemy is steadfastly met and bested, liberty and the rule of law will be unleashed for millions throughout the world." I'm not quite sure what he wants us to do. lol I kind of understand what he's getting at, but there's a lot of contradicting, confusing stuff going on there, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 It seems like the dictator thing to do at a time like this is cut off all access to the Internet within the country. How can a person who does stuff like this have our support? We're run by hypocrites. I'm sure Saddam Hussein might probably be alive today if he gave us more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 It seems like the dictator thing to do at a time like this is cut off all access to the Internet within the country. How can a person who does stuff like this have our support? We're run by hypocrites. I'm sure Saddam Hussein might probably be alive today if he gave us more money. I don't get it either. This situation reminds me of what President Washington in his farewell address about making foreign alliances. Regardless of who we support, we're boned now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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