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[FLRedskins]

Bascially what he's saying is they need a whole new team

This guy is a hack probably cowboys fan

[darrelgreenie]

This offseason via draft or FA:

QB

NT

3-4 DE

RT

C/RG

Imo everything else is a want not a need

[Skinsinparadise]

The "few picks" equates to "picks with talent". Picks in the first round are expected to start. On a 100 point grading scale, they are the 89 to 99 grades. Second round picks are not generally considered first game starters, but are expected to increase playing time as the season progresses and the raw edges are worn off. They are generally graded 77 to 88. Third round players are not going to start unless someone gets injured. They are a year long project and may see playing time in the late season or on special teams. They have grades from 60 to 76. Everybody except kickers, punters and specialty players below the 3rd round has a serious flaw in their game and is rated below 60. They're a long shot to make the team although the better of them might make the practice squad.

As far I understand they have their first rounder, 2nd rounder, two fifth rounders, 6th rounder, two seventh rounders. Yes, it could be better but I wouldn't characterize IMO this draft as one where we have "few picks" which I've read twice in this thread. And yes I do understand that higher round players are more likely to make an impact. As you pointed out though, the first and 2nd rounders are the rounds where you are mostly likely to find starters, and we have both of those picks.

FA has the disadvantage of paying big bucks for what a player did for another team in someone else's scheme. And you're getting him older. It has the advantage of having a better idea how he's going to work out in the NFL You know his work ethic and you know he's not a bust playing NFL talent. You've got a better idea if he's injury prone or not. But if you get the top notch free agents and not those that another team is already ready to discard, you've also helped weaken a potential opponent. Grabbing guys off the "about to discard" pile, after the other team has already drafted their replacment or already procured his replacement in free agency helps the potential opponent by giving him compensatory picks for a guy he would have eventually cut.

Thanks for the FA explanation but yeah I got the basics down but IMO there is a way to play it smart. FA hasn't been a total bust for this team. Guys like London Fletcher have made an impact. Our division rivals use BOTH the draft and FA. The Patriots use BOTH Fa and the draft. The NY Giants looking for a MLB signed a young and up and comer FA named Antonio Pierce and didn't break the bank for him. They had issues at safety and signed Antre Rolle who is a pro bowler this year. The Eagles with Asante Samuel, etc. Even youngish rebuilding teams like the Rams and Lions signed key FA's to bolster their roster.

We on the other hand are often the highest bidder, going after the biggest player coming off of career years or is at an age where their decline is forthcoming, or sign players that haven't yet distinguished themselves but pay them like they've arrived already at stardom. While we signed AH for example, the Giants signed Canty and other players and built depth. We sign guys like Randle EL and pay him like he's an elite WR as opposed to what he is.

[Thinking Skins]

you lost your mind with this sort of rebuttal...Any given Sunday? We could go 16-0 next year thinking like that...Explain to me why it doesn't work the same way? And what the hell did McNabb do in the Green Bay game that we couldn't get from another QB with his 1 TD performance?

Any given sunday means just that. It means we could go 16 and 0 next year, but it also means that the law of transitivity does not hold in the NFL. We beat the Packers, so if the packers go all the way, it doesn't make us a better team than the Packers. Us beating the Packers means we beat the Packers. No more no less. They're where they are because they won 11 other games, and we're where we are because we lost 10 other games.

It's just as possible this team picks number on that we pick number 11 again and much more likely. What gives you the thought that we are the worst team next year? That's just asinine

I don't THINK we'll be the worse team in the league. I'm just saying its possible. You act like the Panthers went into the year saying "we're going to be the worse team in the league this year". Thats not how it works. We have no idea how things like injuries for us and other teams will work out. Right now our schedule looks pretty easy. How many of those teams will become powerhouses by next year? And how well do we do in gimme games? Remember Detroit the last two years? Remember St. Louis?

Again your wrong. It's laughable to me that: you think we are on the same level as those horrible teams.

I'm not going to analyze your point by point defense of this team. I watched the games. I saw our mistakes.

The key point is, whether we lost by 1 or 100 we still lost 10 games. So record wise we're on par with the 6 other teams who finished with 6 wins this year. There are 5 other teams that finished with less than 6 wins. The question is how much better are we than these other teams? We have no QB, no OL (particularly Gs, C, and RT), no RB, no depth at WR (and possibly no #1 if Moss leaves), a questionable DL, questions about our LOLB and LILB, no FS, and a question at our #2 CB. And in all these positions we have no depth (so if the injury bug hits us next year, it could be a real problem). This is not a team I'm willing to bet money on not being the worse team in the league. I'd say that just about every other team in the league is on par with us or better than us.

Yea I don't know the future either but if you want to make a bet that we aren't drafting top 3 in 2012 and use a third party to handle the transaction I am your man. We aren't nearly as bad as said here and proved last year that we can win and compete with the best teams in the league. A few changes are needed but nothing drastic to keep them over the top 3 worst in the league. Want to take that bet? You called me a homer, fine take some money from this homer because we are not that bad. No way in hell

I'm not gonna bet against the Skins. But don't be so much of a homer that you ignore how bad we really are. The first step to getting better is realizing that we have a problem. And as far as your Gano comment, as far as I can tell, he's still the K on this team, so its easily possible for us to lose 6 games because of him again.

[Skinsinparadise]

The "few picks" equates to "picks with talent". Picks in the first round are expected to start. On a 100 point grading scale, they are the 89 to 99 grades. Second round picks are not generally considered first game starters, but are expected to increase playing time as the season progresses and the raw edges are worn off. They are generally graded 77 to 88. Third round players are not going to start unless someone gets injured. They are a year long project and may see playing time in the late season or on special teams. They have grades from 60 to 76. Everybody except kickers, punters and specialty players below the 3rd round has a serious flaw in their game and is rated below 60. They're a long shot to make the team although the better of them might make the practice squad.

Yes, every year there are exceptions and every decade there are those that become HOF'ers that weren't drafted in the first three rounds, but if you bet $100 on every pick from the 4th round and later to become a starter for 4 games or more the next year (not counting the kickers, punters, return specialists and long snappers), and got $2000 for each one who did, you'd go broke. Even as bad as the Skins are, don't expect any of the draft picks ater round 4 to be starting or contributing a lot next year.

FA has the disadvantage of paying big bucks for what a player did for another team in someone else's scheme. And you're getting him older. It has the advantage of having a better idea how he's going to work out in the NFL You know his work ethic and you know he's not a bust playing NFL talent. You've got a better idea if he's injury prone or not. But if you get the top notch free agents and not those that another team is already ready to discard, you've also helped weaken a potential opponent. Grabbing guys off the "about to discard" pile, after the other team has already drafted their replacment or already procured his replacement in free agency helps the potential opponent by giving him compensatory picks for a guy he would have eventually cut.

The Pats have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. That's a classic example of quality versus quantity. I'd love to look like that too.

I'd buy into your point if you were talking about last off season, your point IMO seems off the mark for this draft. Its hard for me to ignore that the Redskins have a high first and 2nd rounder. Since when are the third and 4th rounders the pivotal picks in the draft? I'll rather even have TWO fifth rounders versus one 4th. Who's been our big 4th round find, Justin Tyron? Isn't Ryan Torain a 5th rounder?

[ABSTRACT]

I never understood people would believed we should avoid free agency like the plague. I makes little sense, especially as it has shown to be productive in both competing teams and rebuilding ones alike.

What if we sign a 25 year old offensive lineman, what then?

Man I want us to hit free agency so hard it don't make sense. I want us to sign at least 10 guys from free agency. 2 Wrs, 4 ZBS OL, CB (if Rogers or/and Buchanon leaves), 2 LB, maybe a TE, and some more. We have so many needs, why wouldn't we hit a great free agency class like this.

[BadKarma]

Eff the defense, we need some offense in DC in a bad way. I am hoping for Mallett / Newton with the 1st then interior Oline like Step or O'Dowd in the 2nd.

The defense struggles are predicated on our inability to score 20+ points, better to get our offense rolling in year 2 of the rebuild so they have time to catch up.

[Thinking Skins]

The defense struggles are predicated on our inability to score 20+ points, better to get our offense rolling in year 2 of the rebuild so they have time to catch up.

Nah, giving up 400 yards a game is not based on the inept offense. Its based on running a piss poor defense. Last year I was doubtful, but now I'm convinced that Haslett is a POS DC. I don't think it really matters what we do this offseason, I think our defense is gonna be bottom half of the league again next year.

[ABSTRACT]

no 25 year old young free agent will be available at bottom dollar.. be realistic.. if that were the case then his old team would retain him.,

They will be available if he does not fit their system. It is a realistic possibility. I think a guy like Davin Joseph will be in B&G next year.

[addicted]

As far I understand they have their first rounder, 2nd rounder, two fifth rounders, 6th rounder, two seventh rounders. Yes, it could be better but I wouldn't characterize IMO this draft as one where we have "few picks" which I've read twice in this thread. And yes I do understand that higher round players are more likely to make an impact. As you pointed out though, the first and 2nd rounders are the rounds where you are mostly likely to find starters, and we have both of those picks.

Yes sir. We have all of those and the potential for others if we can trade players before the draft like HanyesWorthless and McNabb and there are teams who seem interested in them. Even if we just get 4th rounders for them we would then have 9 picks and better yet, 9 picks with no Vinny making these choices. So going in with 9 draft picks we haven't eliminated the possibility of some draft day manuvers like we saw last year were we picked up a vet or moved down to pick up more picks. People are hung up now on the sorry ass Patriots having so many draft picks in the early rounds this year and judging our picks based on what those fools have. The thing is that every NFL roster is to have no more then 53 men on it. So tell me this...when the Pats make all of those choices where are they going to put all of those players on the roster? I wish they tried and put them on the practice squad, we could then grab those fools if we wanted. Or they are going to let some quality vets go to make room and those players could help us as well. Anyway you look at it, even if you had 15 draft picks you have to have room to put these men on your active roster or someone else is going to get them from you. We aren't nearly as bad of shape this draft as we were in last years.

Thanks for the FA explanation but yeah I got the basics down but IMO there is a way to play it smart. FA hasn't been a total bust for this team. Guys like London Fletcher have made an impact. Our division rivals use BOTH the draft and FA. The Patriots use BOTH Fa and the draft. The NY Giants looking for a MLB signed a young and up and comer FA named Antonio Pierce and didn't break the bank for him. They had issues at safety and signed Antre Rolle who is a pro bowler this year. The Eagles with Asante Samuel, etc. Even youngish rebuilding teams like the Rams and Lions signed key FA's to bolster their roster.

We on the other hand are often the highest bidder, going after the biggest player coming off of career years or is at an age where their decline is forthcoming, or sign players that haven't yet distinguished themselves but pay them like they've arrived already at stardom. While we signed AH for example, the Giants signed Canty and other players and built depth. We sign guys like Randle EL and pay him like he's an elite WR as opposed to what he is.

Yup and that's why it's so good for our future that the Dan and Vinny show is off the air now. Those two clowns could screw up getting laid in a whore house. They screwed up drafts when they had 10 picks. They screwed up building a team when threw money around making it rain on the wrong players. We are in much better hands today to avoid that. People make too much of a big deal out of the McNabb trade failure. To me that was a risky move but we planned all along to trade him if it didn't work out. The same doom sayers who point to that saying it was just another failure for the team in FA don't point out the successful moves this group made. It's as if they want to forget the torains, the banks, the lictenstigers and just focus on the one failure and group that with the past. I know I'm a homer. If I wasn't I wouldn't ever waste my time on this forum. The point though is you think the glass is half full, half empty, or completely ****ed up like these assclowns at Walter Football. Keep it real

[ABSTRACT]

Eff the defense, we need some offense in DC in a bad way. I am hoping for Mallett / Newton with the 1st then interior Oline like Step or O'Dowd in the 2nd.

The defense struggles are predicated on our inability to score 20+ points, better to get our offense rolling in year 2 of the rebuild so they have time to catch up.

Dude we're trying to build a 3-4 defense and we were ranked last this year lmao. What do you mean eff the defense. We need help on both sides of the ball. I expect great improvement on offense and defense but not a 360 turn on either of them. We will shore up the necessary spots such as QB, interior OL, WR, LB, RDE, NT, and FS as best as we can this offseason.

[addicted]

Any given sunday means just that. It means we could go 16 and 0 next year, but it also means that the law of transitivity does not hold in the NFL. We beat the Packers, so if the packers go all the way, it doesn't make us a better team than the Packers. Us beating the Packers means we beat the Packers. No more no less. They're where they are because they won 11 other games, and we're where we are because we lost 10 other games.

So any win or loss is the same to you? Please explain to me then Mental giant then why did you then post this?

And how well do we do in gimme games? Remember Detroit the last two years? Remember St. Louis?

So our wins don't mean **** to you but the loses do?

What we have here is your a glass is tipped the **** over smashed all over the floor belief that we are a totally screwed team destined for nothing ever and me being a realist simply saying we aren't nearly as piss poor as this hack website makes us out to be. We argue because our outlooks aren't on the same level. You can keep all your negativity I'm not wasting any more time talking to someone looking at things like you do. I'd suggest you go find another team to root for. The skins don't need more negative Nancey's. They actually need more people supporting them then ever before but no matter what good they do people like you are going to only see the faults.

When all you can see are faults you lack the patience required to see a change through. Danny has this problem. Some fans have this problem too. It's a dirty plague in and around this team and needs purged. The only way this turns around for good is patience and holding onto a believe that good begets good, bad begets bad. We did much more good this year then bad and should be proud of that and believe that more is in store. Not less.

I'm not gonna bet against the Skins.

Smartest thing you said in this thread all day. Good day Sir

[Thinking Skins]

You can keep all your negativity I'm not wasting any more time talking to someone looking at things like you do. I'd suggest you go find another team to root for. The skins don't need more negative Nancey's. They actually need more people supporting them then ever before but no matter what good they do people like you are going to only see the faults

They'll get less "negative Nanceys" when they start winning games. I know a lot of Skins fans who are OK finishing last in the division the next 5 years as long as we're competitive and only lose games by 7 points or less. Sorry, I'm not in that group. I see this as a team with many problems (as most teams have), and what ultimately will determine how well we do next year is based on how we correct these errors. But unlike many Redskins fans, I don't believe that we're "supposed to be a playoff team" or we're "one player away from a championship run" or any of that hoopla that so many of the Skins fans buy into. I'm all for rebuilding this team. But if we keep doing things as we've been doing them, we can easily be the worse team in the league.

[Fred Jones]

Personally, I am more hopeful that the Oline will continue to get better. If we resign Brown and continues to come back health wise we anchor the tackles. If BMW comes back and does well, we pick up a quality center or guard in FA we looking much better. We could draft a future young guy to develop and utilize who we have now to fill out the rest of the Oline. Perfect, no, but we still have many holes to fill and still two or more off seasons to return to a balanced full roster.

QB, to me, is the most important acquisition either this year or next. The draft will only bring in so many players and we still have to resign some of our current players.

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 03:56 PM ----------

They'll get less "negative Nanceys" when they start winning games. I know a lot of Skins fans who are OK finishing last in the division the next 5 years as long as we're competitive and only lose games by 7 points or less. Sorry, I'm not in that group. I see this as a team with many problems (as most teams have), and what ultimately will determine how well we do next year is based on how we correct these errors. But unlike many Redskins fans, I don't believe that we're "supposed to be a playoff team" or we're "one player away from a championship run" or any of that hoopla that so many of the Skins fans buy into. I'm all for rebuilding this team. But if we keep doing things as we've been doing them, we can easily be the worse team in the league.

Pretty simply for me, find a franchise QB for Shanny and everything else will fall in line. If not, we will simply continue as we are except that we will get to the playoffs and lose because our QB is average.

[Mr. Sinister]

They'll get less "negative Nanceys" when they start winning games. I know a lot of Skins fans who are OK finishing last in the division the next 5 years as long as we're competitive and only lose games by 7 points or less. Sorry, I'm not in that group. I see this as a team with many problems (as most teams have), and what ultimately will determine how well we do next year is based on how we correct these errors. But unlike many Redskins fans, I don't believe that we're "supposed to be a playoff team" or we're "one player away from a championship run" or any of that hoopla that so many of the Skins fans buy into. I'm all for rebuilding this team. But if we keep doing things as we've been doing them, we can easily be the worse team in the league.

I agree with this. I'm a realist, I don't see everything through rose colored glasses. If this team wasn't as bad as they have been ( save for 2 underwhelming playoff runs) then people wouldn't be so overly critical of them.

[Thinking Skins]

Personally, I am more hopeful that the Oline will continue to get better. If we resign Brown and continues to come back health wise we anchor the tackles. If BMW comes back and does well, we pick up a quality center or guard in FA we looking much better. We could draft a future young guy to develop and utilize who we have now to fill out the rest of the Oline. Perfect, no, but we still have many holes to fill and still two or more off seasons to return to a balanced full roster.

QB, to me, is the most important acquisition either this year or next. The draft will only bring in so many players and we still have to resign some of our current players.

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 03:56 PM ----------

Pretty simply for me, find a franchise QB for Shanny and everything else will fall in line. If not, we will simply continue as we are except that we will get to the playoffs and lose because our QB is average.

Part of me likes Grossman. I think he should at least get a shot to lead this team. If he can show he's matured since the SB days, then he can lead us while we develop a young QB. I mean Cam/Blane/Jake/Mallet are all guys I'm interested in, but I'd be more interested in drafting somewhere else if possible. I really think we could have done what we did last year with Rex and Campbell and saved some of our draft picks, but my vote doesn't count.

[addicted]

They'll get less "negative Nanceys" when they start winning games.

With material like this you keep puking up on the forum I find myself draw to reply. You pretty much verified what I was saying with this statement right here. We were 4-12 last year and improved that record by 2 games. If you really meant that statement you would be more optimistic about our future then you appear to be. We did win more games this season then last years so really winning to you means nothing. What you mean is that when we become a team with a winning record. Well pal I want that too. However in terms of realism and realistic expectations you fail and I come out ahead because to me a 2 game improvement means something. It means we are on the right path. It didn't happen as quickly as I wanted but honestly this was a terrible team that was taken over by these guys and they made it more competitive this season then any I can remember week after week after week. For a rebuilding club that's what you want to see in year one of a project.

Next year if we improve by 2 more wins we will be 8-8 and I'd venture to guess you won't see the sunshine in that if it was hitting you in the face but to become a team that is in it every year it's exactly what we need. Turtles win the race, hares are one and done and lucky charms. If winning meant anything to you like you claim why the doom and gloom outlook that we are in the running for worst in the league after we improved two games this year? I guess it just comes down to you sleeping better at night thinking like this. Because it's not based in reality.

[tex]

The Redskins record says it all: they lack talent. We all know why. If Allen and Shanahan are able to draft a couple of early round starters as upgrades and pickup some quality depth in the later rounds there would be little to complain about. Slow process for sure but one that could be accelerated by trading players and moving out of the first round for extra picks.

As recent history suggests, free agency has not brought the Redskins a lot success so don't expect it to have a huge impact in the near term.

[mossomo]

"Last place next year" - **** that author, asshat

[Thinking Skins]

With material like this you keep puking up on the forum I find myself draw to reply. You pretty much verified what I was saying with this statement right here. We were 4-12 last year and improved that record by 2 games. If you really meant that statement you would be more optimistic about our future then you appear to be. We did win more games this season then last years so really winning to you means nothing. What you mean is that when we become a team with a winning record. Well pal I want that too. However in terms of realism and realistic expectations you fail and I come out ahead because to me a 2 game improvement means something. It means we are on the right path. It didn't happen as quickly as I wanted but honestly this was a terrible team that was taken over by these guys and they made it more competive this season then any I can remember week after week after week. For a rebuilding club that's what you want to see. Next year if we improve by 2 more wins we will be 8-8 and I'd venture to guess you would see the sunshine in that if it was hitting you in the face but to become a team that is in it every year it's exactly what we need. Turtles win the race, hares are one and done. But you can keep on trashing something you love if it makes you sleep better at night.

This has never been a terrible team. Not in Dan's ownership. Probably not since 1993 when Richie coached the team. We've always been a team with mediocre talent and no depth. Like I said in my post (the part you didn't quote). I'm not satisfied with finishing in 3rd place or last in the division every year. I want to win the division and be in the running for the SB. I want to EXPECT 12 win seasons, not hope for 10 wins. I want a 10 win season to be a BAD year for us. Going from 4 wins to 6 wins doesn't mean we're on the right path. In that 4 win season, we can say the same things you said about the 6 win season of 2010. I mean we lost 7 games by 7 points or less. Did you expect us to have a top 10 pick this year?

All this talk about turtles and hares? I'm the ultimate turtle in this race. I've been calling for a slow rebuild for YEARS now, but every year we go after the big name that gets fans excited and makes them think that because we "fixed" that one area, our other areas will be masked. I'm all for signing low-key FAs and building through the draft. I'm for keeping the quality players we've got and making them compete for their spots - kinda the opposite of what Shanny/Zorn/Gibbs/Spurrier have done, because they've all pretty much been afraid to play rookies.

Its not about "trashing something I love", its about speaking the truth. If you want to see rotton juice and call it wine, keep doing it. I'm gonna keep calling to throw out the rotton juice. Classify me however you like, but I don't come here for appreciation from other fans, so it doesn't really bother me.

[FrFan]

how many draft picks do you think we have?

6

[BadKarma]

Dude we're trying to build a 3-4 defense and we were ranked last this year lmao. What do you mean eff the defense. We need help on both sides of the ball. I expect great improvement on offense and defense but not a 360 turn on either of them. We will shore up the necessary spots such as QB, interior OL, WR, LB, RDE, NT, and FS as best as we can this offseason.

I mean with our 1st two picks we need to start building an offense that can be the centerpiece of a winning team, these things need time to mature. A defense is a plug and play thing, we had a solid defense here for years and it got us no where.

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 05:40 PM ----------

Nah, giving up 400 yards a game is not based on the inept offense. Its based on running a piss poor defense. Last year I was doubtful, but now I'm convinced that Haslett is a POS DC. I don't think it really matters what we do this offseason, I think our defense is gonna be bottom half of the league again next year.

There are quite a few teams each year that get into the playoffs with mediocre defenses, a good offense will churn the clock and make our D look better. Trust me, Shanahan knows his success here is going to be built on putting together a good offense as soon as possible, the defense will come.

[addicted]

This has never been a terrible team. Not in Dan's ownership. Probably not since 1993 when Richie coached the team.

Last years team was terrible. The Spurrier teams were terrible. Make a poll and ask this question to the forum if you really think that lol

We've always been a team with mediocre talent and no depth. Like I said in my post (the part you didn't quote). I'm not satisfied with finishing in 3rd place or last in the division every year. I want to win the division and be in the running for the SB. I want to EXPECT 12 win seasons, not hope for 10 wins. I want a 10 win season to be a BAD year for us. Going from 4 wins to 6 wins doesn't mean we're on the right path. In that 4 win season, we can say the same things you said about the 6 win season of 2010. I mean we lost 7 games by 7 points or less. Did you expect us to have a top 10 pick this year?

Again this **** takes time to do. It didn't happen in year one of the plan and your crying about it. That lack of patience your displaying is why the owner keeps turning this over year after year after year. In order to truly go from a one and done to a winning team every year it takes time. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

All this talk about turtles and hares? I'm the ultimate turtle in this race. I've been calling for a slow rebuild for YEARS now, but every year we go after the big name that gets fans excited and makes them think that because we "fixed" that one area, our other areas will be masked. I'm all for signing low-key FAs and building through the draft. I'm for keeping the quality players we've got and making them compete for their spots - kinda the opposite of what Shanny/Zorn/Gibbs/Spurrier have done, because they've all pretty much been afraid to play rookies.

You keep condicting yourself when you speak to me. First your crying about us being the worst team in the league siting other teams that are worse then us saying we are not better then them. Then you cry about how winning is everything to you but yet a 2 game improvement isn't enough for you and now your saying you believe in a slow process? If you believe in things taking time then this season doesn't look as bad as you make it out to be. This season leaves you believing we are on the verge of turning it around and that's before we drafted or picked up a single Free Agent. Don't give me that crap about us getting excited about next year because of some addition, that hasn't even happened yet. Many fans with a longer outlook of things feel the same way I do. Turning it around takes time. And you want it done yesterday. Your dreaming and not seeing things are better this year then last in many ways on the team. Turtle and the Hare makes sense because we are chugging along with options to get better, areas that need improvement, draft picks to use, 40 million in cap space to use, players to trade for more picks, yet your pissing because it didn't happen in a single season. You remind me of the owner. The Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, didn't turn around a 4-12 team and make them winners overnight in the NFL and win for a decade like you expected us to do. Teams like the Falcons were able to do that because they were a QB away from being good. We aren't a QB away from being good. Progress takes time. Your just an impatient fan fed up with years of losing who thinks we can turn this around over night. News flash. Doesn't happen like that.

Its not about "trashing something I love", its about speaking the truth. If you want to see rotton juice and call it wine, keep doing it. I'm gonna keep calling to throw out the rotton juice. Classify me however you like, but I don't come here for appreciation from other fans, so it doesn't really bother me.

I'm not at all surprised to read that you don't care what anyone else thinks. You've bought into the idea we suck today, will suck next season, and will suck forever. If I felt like this I wouldn't waste my time on this forum but different stokes I guess. And what truth are you speaking? Sounds to me like you can't see the truth about how to turn around a losing club or give this team any credit whatsoever. The truth will set you free but you've already made up your mind that we are the bottom feeders in this league next season. So why even pay attention to it? Like most things you've said you've contradicted yourself yet again because if you thought this you wouldn't care to write about it here. Show some class and admit what was good and bad this year, look at the near future knowing we will get better, and hope for the best. Or continue to cry that it didn't happen as fast as you wanted but realize the man at the very top of this organization shares your same impatience and thats hurt us much more then any single player transaction. Screw impatience. If it takes 4 seasons to get us to be a winning club for 10 years its worth it.

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 03:47 PM ----------

6

We have 7 picks

[MartinC]

6

We have 7 right now.

1,2,5,5,6,7,7.

The last 7th rounder is what we are assuming we get in the trade the Colts made for Tryon - the pick was undisclosed and was conditional. Might even get a 6th rounder since he played a lot and they made the playoffs.

[Thinking Skins]

Last years team was terrible. The Spurrier teams were terrible. Make a poll and ask this question to the forum if you really think that lol

Again this **** takes time to do. It didn't happen in year one of the plan and your crying about it. That lack of patience your displaying is why the owner keeps turning this over year after year after year. In order to truly go from a one and done to a winning team every year it takes time. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

You keep condicting yourself when you speak to me. First your crying about us being the worst team in the league siting other teams that are worse then us saying we are not better then them. Then you cry about how winning is everything to you but yet a 2 game improvement isn't enough for you and now your saying you believe in a slow process? If you believe in things taking time then this season doesn't look as bad as you make it out to be. This season leaves you believing we are on the verge of turning it around and that's before we drafted or picked up a single Free Agent. Don't give me that crap about us getting excited about next year because of some addition, that hasn't even happened yet. Many fans with a longer outlook of things feel the same way I do. Turning it around takes time. And you want it done yesterday. Your dreaming and not seeing things are better this year then last in many ways on the team. Turtle and the Hare makes sense because we are chugging along with options to get better, areas that need improvement, draft picks to use, 40 million in cap space to use, players to trade for more picks, yet your pissing because it didn't happen in a single season. You remind me of the owner. The Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, didn't turn around a 4-12 team and make them winners overnight in the NFL and win for a decade like you expected us to do. Teams like the Falcons were able to do that because they were a QB away from being good. We aren't a QB away from being good. Progress takes time. Your just an impatient fan fed up with years of losing who thinks we can turn this around over night. News flash. Doesn't happen like that.

I'm not at all surprised to read that you don't care what anyone else thinks. You've bought into the idea we suck today, will suck next season, and will suck forever. If I felt like this I wouldn't waste my time on this forum but different stokes I guess. And what truth are you speaking? Sounds to me like you can't see the truth about how to turn around a losing club or give this team any credit whatsoever. The truth will set you free but you've already made up your mind that we are the bottom feeders in this league next season. So why even pay attention to it? Like most things you've said you've contradicted yourself yet again because if you thought this you wouldn't care to write about it here. Show some class and admit what was good and bad this year, look at the near future knowing we will get better, and hope for the best. Or continue to cry that it didn't happen as fast as you wanted but realize the man at the very top of this organization shares your same impatience and thats hurt us much more then any single player transaction. Screw impatience. If it takes 4 seasons to get us to be a winning club for 10 years its worth it.

I do what I do because its fun to me. When it stops being fun to me, then I wont do it any more. You haven't gotten personal, so I've got no problem explaining myself. But its not to convince you to think my way.

But again, you're ignoring the fact that we have finished 3rd or last in our division just about every year under Snyder. I've watched the results from the team under Snyder and this is how they've performed. We're consistent bottom feeders in the NFC East. Every year, I've got the same message - rebuild through the draft. Every year (with the exception of 2008), we go out and sign the biggest FAs and try to act like we're one player away. Then Skins fans act like it was the right move and our other woes will just go away. I've got no problem with a 4-12 season if its a part of a rebuilding effort. But if we go from 4-12 to 6-10 to 8-8, then I'm not impressed. I'd like to see us at 12-4, at least. And if we continue to hover at or around .500, then I'll continue to complain about our love for FAs and our inability to hold on to draft picks.