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Alright guys, so we have all been talking about what the Redskins need this offseason. Coming from a somewhat outsider perspective, here is Walter Cherpinksy's take from Walterfootball.com:

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2011was.php

I would move DLine up and Rush linebacker up, but otherwise he is making me realize we are really screwed, and that we easily could have one of the worst records in the league next year. I know we are building for the future, and I am glad we are doing that, I just hope Snyder has the patience to have at least 2, and maybe 3 terrible seasons from Shanny before we are a winning organization.

Your take?

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I saw this yesterday and I agree with the OP.

Coming from a unbiased view, our team does have alot of needs. This is common for a team that is rebuilding and switching defensive philosophies. Due to our switch to a 3-4, we need those LBs, we need that NT, and we need a Right DE to play alongside Carricker, we will also need a FS and that may have to wait until next offseason. As for the offense, we do need WRs, we do need about 4 or 5 new interior linemen, we do need backup tackles, we also need a QB. Fortunately, this off-season has a great draft class and a large free agency class as well. I see ALOT of new faces at Redskins park next year. Our newly improved scouting department will put in alot of work this offseason. We can also acquire more draft picks by trading expandable guys like Chris Cooley, ALbert Haynesworth, McNabb, Carter, and maybe Mcintosh as well. All of these guys can turn into draft picks that will help us get guys like a future center in Wisneweski (2nd r), a future QB in Pat Devlin (2nd r), a future NT in CHris Neild or Phil Taylor (5th r), and other blue-collar guys in the late rounds that can contribute more than the dead weight can.

The key is that Snyder realizes this is a professional FOOTBALL team and he knows nothing about football. This team is a process....not a toy or a ********* Madden franchise and he needs to give it at least 4 years to see this teams full potential under Shanahan.

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My take, he doesn't know a whole lot about the Redskins besides what he sees online and doesn't know a whole lot about what he is talking about.

It looked to me pretty much spot on.

We have lots and lots of holes to fill with few picks and a rapidly aging core of decent players we tend to think of as very good. The Skins need 4/5ths of a new O-line, a QB, new RB, at least 1 new WR just on the offensive side. God only knows for sure what we need on the defense because of that dammed switch (for no good reason) to the 3-4.

We as Skins fan have a several year wait ahead of us for a really good team.

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I saw this yesterday and I agree with the OP.

Coming from a unbiased view, our team does have alot of needs. This is common for a team that is rebuilding and switching defensive philosophies. Due to our switch to a 3-4, we need those LBs, we need that NT, and we need a Right DE to play alongside Carricker, we will also need a FS and that may have to wait until next offseason. As for the offense, we do need WRs, we do need about 4 or 5 new interior linemen, we do need backup tackles, we also need a QB. Fortunately, this off-season has a great draft class and a large free agency class as well. I see ALOT of new faces at Redskins park next year. Our newly improved scouting department will put in alot of work this offseason. We can also acquire more draft picks by trading expandable guys like Chris Cooley, ALbert Haynesworth, McNabb, Carter, and maybe Mcintosh as well. All of these guys can turn into draft picks that will help us get guys like a future center in Wisneweski (2nd r), a future QB in Pat Devlin (2nd r), a future NT in CHris Neild or Phil Taylor (5th r), and other blue-collar guys in the late rounds that can contribute more than the dead weight can.

The key is that Snyder realizes this is a professional FOOTBALL team and he knows nothing about football. This team is a process....not a toy or a ********* Madden franchise and he needs to give it at least 4 years to see this teams full potential under Shanahan.

You've got a lot of faith in the front office. I expect us to sign some big names that half this board is ga ga over and half of those guys will bust leaving us with a large number of holes to fill still.

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Its not rocket science.

On defense we need a NT although Bryant played well down the stretch so we have a solid guy who can be part of a rotation, we need a RDE, we need an OLB opposite Rak and we need an inside backer to challenge Riley for the second spot next to Fletcher. Then we need a FS and possibly a corner if we dont resign Rogers.

Thats maybe 5 new starters on defense.

On offense interior O'Line is a big need. At least one new starting guard and a centre and maybe a second starting guard as well. I think we bring Brown back at RT but even then you then you need some quality depth at tackle to develop. At the skill positions we have to find our QB of the future probably through the draft, I disagree WR is a big need right now assuming we bring Moss back - sure it would be great to bring in a stud true number one receiver but only once you have addressed your O'Line and found your QB. Ditto running back.

I see us going QB or DL in the first round and OL or LB in the second round of the draft. If the CBA gets done then there will be a uge FA class to address other needs.Lots of teams have 15 or more free agents and starters not just guys you have never heard of who cover punts - there are going to be a lot of rosters next year that look very different. Predicting who will be good bad or indifferent next year this far out is just stupid.

I think we look at WR and maybe RB early in the 2012 draft (assuming we have the QB this year).

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You've got a lot of faith in the front office. I expect us to sign some big names that half this board is ga ga over and half of those guys will bust leaving us with a large number of holes to fill still.

If we sign big name lineman, will you still feel the same way?

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The way I see it, this is all a craps game. I don't have any idea which players are gonna work out, and which ones are gonna be duds. Nobody would have predicted we'd have had the years from Armstrong or Torrain. Its the same way that Seattle probably didn't expect the year from M. Willams or Philly from Antonio Dixon. I just hope we bring in a lot of young guys to compete and hopefully some of them will emerge as quality talent.

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If we sign big name lineman, will you still feel the same way?

yep. It'll be like when we signed the Jets guys and they were good for like 2 years. Then started getting hurt and playing piss poor.

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I never understood people would believed we should avoid free agency like the plague. I makes little sense, especially as it has shown to be productive in both competing teams and rebuilding ones alike.

What if we sign a 25 year old offensive lineman, what then?

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I never understood people would believed we should avoid free agency like the plague. I makes little sense, especially as it has shown to be productive in both competing teams and rebuilding ones alike.

What if we sign a 25 year old offensive lineman, what then?

If we get a young free agent at a bottom dollar contract, then I'd be ecstatic. If we get a young FA at a D. Hall or a Haynesworth type price, then I'd be meh more of the same. I'm against our approach to free agency because it makes our top 5-10 players take up like 90% of the salary cap space and then we're forced to use up the remaining 10% or so on all the rest of our players, which leads to us having no depth I've got no problem with free agency, but I don't think a team should live and die by it like the Redskins have done for the past 10 years (minus one or two years). Just like I don't like the way all our coaches (since Norv) seem to be in love with Vets instead of giving young guys a chance. I want a young team that replaces their inexperience with a vigor and tenacity.

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We have lots and lots of holes to fill with few picks and a rapidly aging core of decent players we tend to think of as very good. The Skins need 4/5ths of a new O-line, a QB, new RB, at least 1 new WR just on the offensive side. God only knows for sure what we need on the defense because of that dammed switch (for no good reason) to the 3-4.

You would think that we could get some starting production out of one of our current interior lineman not named Casey Rabach next year, that and bring back Brown at RT, who I'm sure we will being that we invested a draft pick in. Then we only need 2 new starters and some depth, whether that being two guards if one of our current lineman moves to C or a guard & center. I can't remember which one, Montgomery or Lightensteiger, but one of them has had experience at C.

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It looked to me pretty much spot on.

We have lots and lots of holes to fill with few picks and a rapidly aging core of decent players we tend to think of as very good. We as Skins fan have a several year wait ahead of us for a really good team.

Don't know where the few picks buzz is coming from, we have 7 picks, and if we can trade McNabb and AH we will have 9 picks. Right now we got 8 for 2012. Not to mention a ton of cap room for FA

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Don't know where the few picks buzz is coming from, we have 7 picks, and if we can trade McNabb and AH we will have 9 picks. Right now we got 8 for 2012. Not to mention a ton of cap room for FA

Without a CBA right now we can't do any trades with McNabb and Al so basically we'll be sitting at 7 for a while unless the CBA gets done

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Walter Football lost me the moment they said this line of total bull****

"Well, it did, so it's back to the drawing board for the team that looks like it may have the No. 1 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft."

For such a terrible team we sure did beat 2 out of the 4 remaining NFC teams in this years playoffs didn't we? For such a horrible team going down the drain how exactly did that happen? This is a type of article that the losers with doom and gloom outlooks are going to love and the rest of us are scratching our heads saying...What the ****?

It's not "news" that we have some needs to fill on this roster this year. Welcome to 6-10. That's been known all along by anyone with a pulse paying attention. However what team doesn't? And It's also known that we've cleared 40 million from the salary cap this year because we have some needs to fill. To say this sort of thing like we are likely the worst team in the league at this point is extremely premature and untrue.

If I actually thought Walter Football was a serious publication I'd take a screen cap of this bull**** and send it to them when next year we are drafting in the middle of the pack so I could remind that that they are douche bags. This team had momentum ending the year and that means much more to me then some lame writer with an agenda that some of you sharing his feeling can't see. We could have ended the year on a three game winning streak if we had a ****ing kicker who was worth a roster spot here. We have a QB now, Replacing Mike Sellers is not a priority. We aren't nearly as bad as this **** says and it pisses me off that they think we have the most needs out of all the teams in the league. We aren't nearly as piss poor as Carolina, Denver, Buffalo, Cinncinnatti, Arizona, Tennessee and other bottom dwellers out there. Anyone thinking we are drafting first in 2012 is delusional.

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no 25 year old young free agent will be available at bottom dollar.. be realistic.. if that were the case then his old team would retain him.,

Not true. There are a lot of value free agents who teams sign every year. I think the key is are we going into free agency looking for the player that solves our problems or looking for guys who we don't mind having as quality depth. If we sign 25 year old established players, then we're gonna pay a high price. If we sign 25 year olds who are looking for an opportunity and/or still developing, then we're much more likely to get a quality deal.

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Walter Football lost me the moment they said this line of total bull****

"Well, it did, so it's back to the drawing board for the team that looks like it may have the No. 1 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft."

For such a terrible team we sure did beat 2 out of the 4 remaining NFC teams in this years playoffs didn't we? For such a horrible team going down the drain how exactly did that happen? This is a type of article that the losers with doom and gloom outlooks are going to love and the rest of us are scratching our heads saying...What the ****?

Three simple words - any given Sunday. We beat GB with McNabb (who probably won't be here next year) and we beat Chicago with Hall, which shouldn't be expected. Its very possible for us to have the first pick in the draft next year.

It's not "news" that we have some needs to fill on this roster this year. Welcome to 6-10. That's been known all along by anyone with a pulse paying attention. However what team doesn't?

And It's also known that we've cleared 40 million from the salary cap this year because we have some needs to fill. To say this sort of thing like we are likely the worst team in the league at this point is extremely premature and untrue.

If I actually thought Walter Football was a serious publication I'd take a screen cap of this bull**** and send it to them when next year we are drafting in the middle of the pack so I could remind that that they are douche bags. This team had momentum ending the year and that means much more to me then some lame writer with an agenda that some of you sharing his feeling can't see. We could have ended the year on a three game winning streak if we had a ****ing kicker who was worth a roster spot here. We have a QB now, Replacing Mike Sellers is not a priority. We aren't nearly as bad as this **** says and it pisses me off that they think we have the most needs out of all the teams in the league. We aren't nearly as piss poor as Carolina, Denver, Buffalo, Cinncinnatti, Arizona, Tennessee and other bottom dwellers out there. Anyone thinking we are drafting first in 2012 is delusional.

Any team in the top ten has a possibility to be the worse team in the league. Many teams finish the year with momentum and it hardly matters going into the next season. We finished 6-10, and other than Carolina, we're a tossup for who's next to worse. Denver has an amazing offense. Buffalo may have its QB of the future. Arizona is what 2 years removed from a SB? Even Cincy was 6-0 in their division last year and a playoff team a year ago. To think it obvious that we have less holes than any of these teams is kinda homerism.

I'm not saying we will be picking first, but we don't know the future, and I don't put it out of the realm of possibility.

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Not true. There are a lot of value free agents who teams sign every year. I think the key is are we going into free agency looking for the player that solves our problems or looking for guys who we don't mind having as quality depth. If we sign 25 year old established players, then we're gonna pay a high price. If we sign 25 year olds who are looking for an opportunity and/or still developing, then we're much more likely to get a quality deal.

These are the types of players you want to target in FA and like you said are availible every year. You shouldn't target the guys who have a history of playmaking in the league because they usually don't pan out very well (Hanyesworth, McNabb, etc). You want to find those young guys who you can develop like a Carriker who won't cost much but have a higher ceiling of potential to play above the salary you gave them with better coaching and who fit in with your system. All of our signings should be incentive based so these cheaper players have motivation to out play the contract. Why go after a Vincent Jackson who will cost so much when you can get a guy hungrier and cheaper like a 27 year old Steve Breaston or a 26 year old Jacoby Jones? Everyone of our positional needs can be addressed with younger players hungry to prove they can play in this league then by going with the big splash in FA as we did in the past.

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Without a CBA right now we can't do any trades with McNabb and Al so basically we'll be sitting at 7 for a while unless the CBA gets done

True but I was responding to the post about us having few picks. I'd love to have the third and 4th rounder we traded back but still without them we are coming in with 7 picks, could be better but I'd say for the last 10 years or so coming to a draft with 7 picks is above average for us. I really wouldn't care a whole lot if we added picks for AH and McNabb to the 2012 draft where we already have 8, it would be cool to have 10 picks or so for the 2012 draft, then we'd start looking a little more like the Eagles and the Pats on draft day.

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So many needs so few draft picks, something tells me we are going to sign many FA's.

how many draft picks do you think we have?

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Don't know where the few picks buzz is coming from, we have 7 picks, and if we can trade McNabb and AH we will have 9 picks. Right now we got 8 for 2012. Not to mention a ton of cap room for FA
The "few picks" equates to "picks with talent". Picks in the first round are expected to start. On a 100 point grading scale, they are the 89 to 99 grades. Second round picks are not generally considered first game starters, but are expected to increase playing time as the season progresses and the raw edges are worn off. They are generally graded 77 to 88. Third round players are not going to start unless someone gets injured. They are a year long project and may see playing time in the late season or on special teams. They have grades from 60 to 76. Everybody except kickers, punters and specialty players below the 3rd round has a serious flaw in their game and is rated below 60. They're a long shot to make the team although the better of them might make the practice squad.

Yes, every year there are exceptions and every decade there are those that become HOF'ers that weren't drafted in the first three rounds, but if you bet $100 on every pick from the 4th round and later to become a starter for 4 games or more the next year (not counting the kickers, punters, return specialists and long snappers), and got $2000 for each one who did, you'd go broke. Even as bad as the Skins are, don't expect any of the draft picks ater round 4 to be starting or contributing a lot next year.

FA has the disadvantage of paying big bucks for what a player did for another team in someone else's scheme. And you're getting him older. It has the advantage of having a better idea how he's going to work out in the NFL You know his work ethic and you know he's not a bust playing NFL talent. You've got a better idea if he's injury prone or not. But if you get the top notch free agents and not those that another team is already ready to discard, you've also helped weaken a potential opponent. Grabbing guys off the "about to discard" pile, after the other team has already drafted their replacment or already procured his replacement in free agency helps the potential opponent by giving him compensatory picks for a guy he would have eventually cut.

I really wouldn't care a whole lot if we added picks for AH and McNabb to the 2012 draft where we already have 8, it would be cool to have 10 picks or so for the 2012 draft, then we'd start looking a little more like the Eagles and the Pats on draft day.
The Pats have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. That's a classic example of quality versus quantity. I'd love to look like that too.
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Three simple words - any given Sunday. We beat GB with McNabb (who probably won't be here next year) and we beat Chicago with Hall, which shouldn't be expected. Its very possible for us to have the first pick in the draft next year.

you lost your mind with this sort of rebuttal...Any given Sunday? We could go 16-0 next year thinking like that...Explain to me why it doesn't work the same way? And what the hell did McNabb do in the Green Bay game that we couldn't get from another QB with his 1 TD performance?

It's just as possible this team picks number on that we pick number 11 again and much more likely. What gives you the thought that we are the worst team next year? That's just asinine

Any team in the top ten has a possibility to be the worse team in the league. Many teams finish the year with momentum and it hardly matters going into the next season. We finished 6-10, and other than Carolina, we're a tossup for who's next to worse. Denver has an amazing offense. Buffalo may have its QB of the future. Arizona is what 2 years removed from a SB? Even Cincy was 6-0 in their division last year and a playoff team a year ago. To think it obvious that we have less holes than any of these teams is kinda homerism.

I'm not saying we will be picking first, but we don't know the future, and I don't put it out of the realm of possibility.

Again your wrong. It's laughable to me that: you think we are on the same level as those horrible teams.

Break Down Point 1: "We finished 6-10, and other than Carolina, we're a tossup for who's next to worse."

you must be delussional to think that. We lost 6 of our 10 games because of the piss poor job Gano did this year. If we don't miss those kicks we win 6 of those 10 games. Look it up, I'm not making that up. To be in that many games decided by our missed FG's says we aren't that bad

Breakdown Point 2: "Denver has an amazing offense"

Im not on board with that at all. They are the second worst team in the league now being controlled by John Elway. Please explain to me what makes Elway a guy you want running your franchise? The offense is being led by Tim Tebow who has all the intangables to speak of has a ****ty release and won't hold up with the way he plays. Not to mention that "amazing offense" was ranked 19th in the league in points scored this pas year. And they don't have a reliable RB or anything resembling a Defense to speak of and who now has a 2-14 head coach running the show. Good luck thinking we are worse then this rag tag group

Break Down Point 3: "Buffalo may have its QB of the future"

And so what? Is that all you need to do well in the league because the Fitzpatrick led offense was 28th in the league in scoring and he led them to a 4-9 record. They draft stupidely all the time and run the team like morons...CJ Spiller had under 300 yards this year, they traded away Lynch for next to nothing...they aren't doing anything anytime soon

Breakdown point 4 - "Arizona is what 2 years removed from a SB?"

And this matters why? As if getting to the SB two years before means your going to be any good. 2 years removed from us having whats been ranked the 4th best offense in history of the league saw us go 3-13. The past is the past and Arizona sucks.

Your bringing weak points here about these teams. I guess you covered your ass here by saying

"I'm not saying we will be picking first, but we don't know the future, and I don't put it out of the realm of possibility."

Yea I don't know the future either but if you want to make a bet that we aren't drafting top 3 in 2012 and use a third party to handle the transaction I am your man. We aren't nearly as bad as said here and proved last year that we can win and compete with the best teams in the league. A few changes are needed but nothing drastic to keep them over the top 3 worst in the league. Want to take that bet? You called me a homer, fine take some money from this homer because we are not that bad. No way in hell

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