McNabb is on pace to throw for 4,200 yards this year.

[OnlySkins4ever]

So? Our team lacks the ingredients to win consistently. I don't care if D - Man throws for 10,000 yards.

[darrelgreenie]

Yards alone mean nothing.

Here are the metrics that are important to me when it comes to QB play:

3rd down conversions.

TD vs INTs.

RZ rating.

Comp %

YPA

QB rating.

[acuratl1984]

Look at it this way...how many bombs has McNabb thrown to Armstrong only for him to trip over himself and not get a TD? Replace him with Desean Jackson and those would have been TDs

[erock353]

Regardless of how bad he played yesterday, he still is our best offensive weapon. And like many said he doesn't have the best of talent surrounding him. For him to throw for this many yards is nothing to frown upon. Yeah, it's because we are playing from behind and have no running game. At least he can do it. If they can put some talent around him, I think we got something good here.

[DJD2]

This is why stats are so dangerous when not viewed in the proper context.

[Henry]

Outside of Cooley, a TE, McNabb is the only player on offense worth a lick. We've got a terrible WR corps. We have no running game at all. We have a line that can't pass protect.

And then of course there's our defense, which can't get off the damn field.

The only QB I could see actually winning with this group of scrubs is maybe Brett Favre in his prime.

Our run offense is 26th in the league. Our run defense is 25th in the league. Our pass defense is 28th in the league.

Our pass offense is 10th. I'm not saying McNabb is a great player anymore. But he's not terrible, and on this team that's quite an accomplishment. I wouldn't make any judgements about whether or not to keep him on the team until I see an actual team around him.

If you want to bash someone bash the front office. This team is absolutely horrid.

[Conn]

If you want to bash someone bash the past front office. This team is absolutely horrid.

Adjusted for what I think is correct, although I fully admit that a strong case can be made in support of the opposing view, here.

[mwj473]

Ehhhh... yards do matter.

But, let's notice how he gets them. He gets a huge chunk on one play, then three more plays and we punt, or kick a field goal (or miss a field goal). Then, he collects some yards in garbage time. These are things that the Campbell hate crew said on a near daily basis, and you know what, they were right. McNabb looks so similar to Campbell that it's scary.

Take a look at his TD to INT ratio. It's disturbing. Any time the ratio is tilted in favor of picks, you have a problem.

So, he is basically the Barry Sanders of the QB position? He does some things that makes his stats look good, hits a home run every now and then, but the team has punting 3 times because of the inconsistent play (throws in the dirt or negative runs).

This also doesn't lend itself to good team results.

[KDawg]

So, he is basically the Barry Sanders of the QB position? He does some things that makes his stats look good, hits a home run every now and then, but the team has punting 3 times because of the inconsistent play (throws in the dirt or negative runs).

This also doesn't lend itself to good team results.

Barry Sanders scored quite a few touchdowns...

His worst season was a season in which he played just 11 games and still rushed for 1115 yards and 3 TD.

He averaged, as a running back, 9.9 TD a season.

He averaged 1,526 yards rushing a season and 5.0 yards per attempt. Barry averaged a fumble on 1.3% of his carries. So every 100 touches he fumbled once. So no, he's not like Barry Sanders.

EDIT: My math was horrendous. Fixed now.

[Henry]

Adjusted for what I think is correct, although I fully admit that a strong case can be made in support of the opposing view, here.

Fine, but I have a few caveats.

Snyder still owns the team, and this offseason the team continued to make Snyder-like moves. I'm not fully convinced his hands are completely off this team yet. Or ever will be.

Even if Snyder had nothing to do with it, we still traded away young for old this offseason. While I will defend McNabb's play on the field, he should have never been brought here for draft picks. The cupboard is completely bare here. The LAST thing we should have done this offseason was trade away more draft picks. As we get further along in this season and our team limps to the finish line with players that are either old and broken-down or scrubs that would be on any other team's practice squad this becomes more and more apparent.

So while we might be able to lay the lion's share of the blame on the 'previous' front office, I don't think our current one is completely innocent either.

[Conn]

Fine, but I have a few caveats.

Snyder still owns the team, and this offseason the team continued to make Snyder-like moves. I'm not fully convinced his hands are completely off this team yet. Or ever will be.

Even if Snyder had nothing to do with it, we still traded away young for old this offseason. While I will defend McNabb's play on the field, he should have never been brought here for draft picks. The cupboard is completely bare here. The LAST thing we should have done this offseason was trade away more draft picks. As we get further along in this season and our team limps to the finish line with players that are either old and broken-down or scrubs that would be on any other team's practice squad this becomes more and more apparent.

So while we might be able to lay the lion's share of the blame on the 'previous' front office, I don't think our current one is completely innocent either.

I'm with you 100%, I'm just of the opinion that, based on Shanahan's draft history, this offseason was a serious anomaly. I really think that he came in, and thought that he had more talent than he did, and decided to get McNabb and Brown and compete.

Whereas, if the Bradford trade had gone through, I think he would have been content to "rebuild" in a more traditional sense. We couldn't get him for anything approaching a reasonable price (although I'm one of those who wouldn't have really cared what that price was), and here we are. I think that Shanahan will see the error in that thinking, and return to what he's done his entire career: keep his draft picks, and use them.

And hopefully, use them as well as he did from 2006-2008.

But yeah, in general, I'm with you. I think that this offseason could have been handled much differently, although I I won't call for their heads because of that. In reality, I still think that we can get where you and I want us to go...it'll just hinge on Shanahan realizing his error in changing how he conducts his offseasons.

And I think that's a pretty safe thing to predict.

[mwj473]

Barry Sanders scored quite a few touchdowns...

His worst season was a season in which he played just 11 games and still rushed for 1115 yards and 3 TD.

He averaged, as a running back, 9.9 TD a season.

He averaged 1,526 yards rushing a season and 5.0 yards per attempt. Barry averaged a fumble on 1.3% of his carries. So every 300 touches he fumbles roughly twice. So no, he's not like Barry Sanders.

I meant this year only. I agree long term he doesn't measure to Sanders. It was talking more to his yards this season, which was the thread topic.

Barry would take negative or zero yard runs for 9 straight plays, then bust off a 50 yarder. You look at stats and go wow, 10 carries, 50 yards, not bad. But people do not pay attention that you punted 4 times because of all the negative plays.

I'm just saying that is similar to McNabb this year for some reason. Either the home run or nothing. No constant 8-10 yard throws to keep the chains moving.

Just like you would want RB to keep getting those 3-5 yard runs vs always losing ground.

[KDawg]

Even though this is WAY OT, if you gave me a choice between McNabb and our running backs or Tony Banks (lol) and Barry Sanders, I'd take Banks/Sanders all day every day. Sanders ran behind a pretty bad offensive line.

[Conn]

I'm just saying that is similar to McNabb this year for some reason. Either the home run or nothing. No constant 8-10 yard throws to keep the chains moving.

Just like you would want RB to keep getting those 3-5 yard runs vs always losing ground.

This is the main reason why Oldfan was against McNabb coming here (besides the team-building implications, of course), and why he doesn't like those kinds of "explosive" offenses...because they can't control the clock or be consistent, and they don't allow your defense to stay off the field and rest up.

Looking back now, I see his point even more clearly than I did then. Its painful watching this type of production.

[KDawg]

This is the main reason why Oldfan was against McNabb coming here (besides the team-building implications, of course), and why he doesn't like those kinds of "explosive" offenses...because they can't control the clock or be consistent, and they don't allow your defense to stay off the field and rest up.

Looking back now, I see his point even more clearly than I did then. Its painful watching this type of production.

That Oldfan guy is pretty damned smart for all the **** people give him

[Mr. Sinister]

That Oldfan guy is pretty damned smart for all the **** people give him

Well you know what they say, with old age (no offense)comes wisdom.

[MumboSauce]

The lack of yards after the catch, touchdowns and wins hurts..but I think he's doing decent considering how bad the team and lack of talent is. McNabb has certainly struggled and missed some stuff his accuracy or lack there of is baffling at times...but the team has not helped him at all, drops from you supposed reliable vets and no talent.

[andboom]

how many td's this year? how many multiple td games? how many wins? yards mean nothing to me if they don't = points on the board. i'm not blaming dmac alone somebody else calls the shots i'm just saying.

[sportjunkie07]

so, im watching the monday night football game, jets vs. patriots. the pats oline is so much better than ours, the pocket is perfect nearly everytime. lots of room to for brady to move around and the pocket holds for 4 seconds or so every time.

imagine what mcnabb could do with that.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

This is the main reason why Oldfan was against McNabb coming here (besides the team-building implications, of course), and why he doesn't like those kinds of "explosive" offenses...because they can't control the clock or be consistent, and they don't allow your defense to stay off the field and rest up.

Looking back now, I see his point even more clearly than I did then. Its painful watching this type of production.

the problem now is that the explosive plays we get arent scores. in philly, he had enough skill guys to turn those big gains into points instead of just yardage. we dont have the horses now to make it work, and mcnabb while good, aint THAT good.

i like the explosive play offense because it can alter a game very quickly. so many modern NFL teams have shown that you dont need 8 minute 14 play drives to win. look at what the eagles did to us with vick. that first quarter they didnt have a drive of over 4 or 5 plays, and scored 5 TDs. you get explosive plays that are scores youre in business.

[pilsburypgh]

I like McNabb...but he really looked terrible yesterday. Just awful. I was at the game - even the Giants fans took pity on me. Nobody messed with me and some Giants fans even gave me beer on the train.

I'd hate to be in Shanny's shoes now...you really have to wonder what decision they will make on McNabb. Looks more and more like it's just another 2nd and 3rd round pick down the toilet.

In the end, we'll probably pull a "sign and trade." We'll end up re-signing McNabb, and trading him to the Vikings or Cardinals for a 4th rounder in 2012. Another Skins humiliation.

Lol. Thats flat out sad but funny.

[lou4gehrig]

It's impressive on one level. Behind this line and without a lot of help at receiver that's a lot of yards. It's also frustrating. He's accumulating this many yards because the game's never in hand.

This is a huge exaggeration really. 13 games and 3 can be classified as "never in hand" those being St. Louis, Philly and New York.

We've played a lot of close games this season in reality.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

This is a huge exaggeration really. 13 games and 3 can be classified as "never in hand" those being St. Louis, Philly and New York.

We've played a lot of close games this season in reality.

agreed. this isnt last season where we'd fall behind by 19 at halftime most weeks and play catchup. the 3 games you mentioned are the only games weve been out of it. the other 9 have all come down to usually the last series.

[Westbrook36]

You never evaluate a QB on his number of passing yards. Yards per attempt is universally accepted as a much better metric to evaluate QB performance. In a nutshell, QBs who pass the ball more will accumulate more passing yards. YPA shows how effective they were on average per pass.

McNabb's YPA is 7.20 which is putrid. In context with all the INTs and lack of TDs, his season has been an abject failure.

"Everyone makes mistakes and they made a mistake when they got rid of me".

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

You never evaluate a QB on his number of passing yards. Yards per attempt is universally accepted as a much better metric to evaluate QB performance. In a nutshell, QBs who pass the ball more will accumulate more passing yards. YPA shows how effective they were on average per pass.

McNabb's YPA is 7.20 which is putrid. In context with all the INTs and lack of TDs, his season has been an abject failure.

"Everyone makes mistakes and they made a mistake when they got rid of me".

7.21 puts him at 15, and theres a few guys ahead of him with about half the attempts. while its not top 10 status, its far from putrid.