ESPN Draftwatch: Skins @ #10

[illone]

Would it even be possible for us to trade McNabb in the offseason? I imagine Arizona or Minnesota might bite. Fitz is ticked in AZ with their horrendous QB situation and I don't think Minnesota wants to waste the rest of AP's productivity with Tavaris Jackson under center. But why wouldnt they just wait for us to cut him?

Skins can cut him after this year and there is no salary ramification moving forward. If he gets next years roster bonus (as I understand it) then we are on the hook for the rest, so we could either trade him before that deadline, or just let him walk. Either way, I hope the Skins move forward without McNabb at QB.

Right now we are the St Louis Rams or Detroit Lions a year ago. Time to build from the ground up.

It would be the right thing to do.

[GibbsFactor]

I hope that was sarcasm.

Because if it wasn't we really have needs at RB, possibly FB, LG, C, RG, WR, NT, DE, OLB and FS

That's not even counting our overall depth issues.

Let's go down the line shall we? For the record, I'm of the opinion that we only have 5 positions (out of 22) that are set.

Needs:

Center

Left Guard

Right Guard

Right Tackle

Z receiver

X Receiver

Half Back

Full Back

Quarterback

LDE

NT

RDE

Will

Buck (I don't care what you say, the buck is the weak mike in a 3-4)

Mike

FS

corner (or 2).

[jtpop]

We have a lot of needs but it all starts in OL/DL. If you build from the big guys up the players behind play at a higher level. No need to get a RB or WR or any other jersey selling position if you can't get them the ball. Build from the ground up and that starts with the lines. Not glamorous but it is where you need to start.

[jivelikenice]

I understand the need for O-Line...but we already drafted our LT. No other O-line position is worthy of a top 10 pick IMO.

If it were my call I'd do the following:

Rd 1- QB- Luck will be gone and we'd just have to hope that Newton falls to us. If we doesn't I would try to trade down for Locker. We have to suck it up one of these years and get our QB for the future.

Every other pick- Best OL, DL, or Linebacker on the board. If Newton is gone and we can't trade down, then its a tough call between Locker and BPA at other positions of need.

[Mr. Cooke]

good. #10 is right aboutw here we want to be. out of the big money range, but still near the top.

if there's a stud lineman on O or D line we should grab him. if there's not, then we're in a perfect spot to trade our pick for more picks later, which is what we need (i think).

Agreed, good point...

[PlayAction]

Skins appear to be positioned to be able to acquire some fairly decent free agents in the offseason. I agree with all of the positions on your list except possible the following: Full Back - Skins need to decide going forward whether they are going to run a FB offense or HB. Sellers may be serviceable for one more year at FB. Quarterback - I'm assuming that the Skins will have a high draft pick in the next three drafts. QB can wait until a later draft. LDE - I think Carriker will look a lot better if the Skins acquire a NT and RDE.

[SMU Redskin]

Skins can cut him after this year and there is no salary ramification moving forward. If he gets next years roster bonus (as I understand it) then we are on the hook for the rest, so we could either trade him before that deadline, or just let him walk. Either way, I hope the Skins move forward without McNabb at QB.

Right now we are the St Louis Rams or Detroit Lions a year ago. Time to build from the ground up.

It would be the right thing to do.

I understand we can cut him for $3.75m, but can we trade him for any draft value?

[jivelikenice]

Another thing....I know we need to build with draft picks, but we can't be afraid to acquire players through free agency. The key is keeping your picks and then complimenting them with the right free agents. Look at the Jets; they brought in Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard with Rex Ryan because they knew the system. They did draft Revis, Harris, Sanchez, Mangold, and D-Brick but they also traded for Braylon, Santonio, and Cromartie, and signed Ladanian Tomlinson, Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard, Calvin Pace, Damieon Woody, Tony Richardson, and Trevor Pryce.

The point is there's no one way to get it done and it doesn't have to be through the draft only. But it does have to be with free agents that will fit into your system and culture, and without sacrificing premium draft picks....

A perfect example of a free agent we should aggressively pursue if LaMarr Woodley. He plays in a 3-4 a the LOLB position and would slide into the spot opposite Orakpo, much like he's already doing opposite Harrison in Pittsburgh. He just turned 26 and would bring a toughness and professional attitude to the team and would help continue to transition to a 3-4.

[Dukes and Skins]

Another thing....I know we need to build with draft picks, but we can't be afraid to acquire players through free agency. The key is keeping your picks and then complimenting them with the right free agents. They brought in Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard with Rex Ryan because they knew the system. They did draft Revis, Harris, Sanchez, Mangold, and D-Brick but they also traded for Braylon, Santonio, and Cromartie, and signed Ladanian Tomlinson, Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard, Calvin Pace, Damieon Woody, Tony Richardson, and Trevor Pryce.

The point is there's no one way to get it done and it doesn't have to be through the draft only. But it does have to be with free agents that will fit into your system and culture, and without sacrificing premium draft picks....

A perfect example of a free agent we should aggressively pursue if LaMarr Woodley. He plays in a 3-4 a the LOLB position and would slide into the spot opposite Orakpo, much like he's already doing opposite Harrison in Pittsburgh. He just turned 26 and would bring a toughness and professional attitude to the team and would help continue to transition to a 3-4.

Would love to have Woodley but I find it highly unlikely that he even makes it to FA unless they play hardball with him and he walks for FA

[Skinsinparadise]

You going to take a center with a top 15 pick?

We basically need a player for every position. Sure NT and Center are, in this fans opinion, our greatest needs but only one of those positions is high first round value and that's the NT. Unless Prince or AJ Green is on the board, I say you go with the best NT/DT on the board. Address center in the second!

Agree. Teams that know how to build a team up like the Giants would be laughing at us if we went center with a top ten pick, not to mention the rest of the league. Has there been a center ever drafted top 10? I know for guard its been really rare to go top 10. That's left tackle territory. I think we are so used to Vinny's drafts where he got a decent player in the first round and the rest of that draft with an odd exception would bring no marquee players -- well that's not how its supposed to work. We should be able to get a very good center and or guard in the 2nd round especially if we have a top 10 2nd rounder. I don't think the Giants have a single first rounder on that line, aside from Andrews who the Eagles drafted. They use their 2nd thru 5th rounders. They use their first rounders on guys like Kiwanuka, Manning, Nicks -- marquee players, as opposed to reaching.

[jivelikenice]

Would love to have Woodley but I find it highly unlikely that he even makes it to FA unless they play hardball with him and he walks for FA

They've had some issues in the negotiations and the Steelers do let guys walk when they're going into free agency at times. I don't know if he makes it onto the market, but if he does then its a no-brainer IMO.

[SMU Redskin]

What players would you trade for picks? IMO all of these should be on the table:

McNabb (see if Arizona or Minnesota will bite)

Moss (not sure what we could get for him, but he'll be 31 and isn't getting any younger and never was a #1 WR to begin with)

Cooley (huge Cooley fan, but we have Davis and more pressing needs and we could probably get a 2-3 rounder for him)

Haynesworth (GTFO)

London Fletcher (Huge fan, but he's getting older and deserves another shot at a postseason title run. That won't happen here.)

Rodgers/McIntosh (I may be mistaken, but will they both be UFAs? not sure what can be done with them b/c of the CBA uncertainty)

[Dukes and Skins]

They've had some issues in the negotiations and the Steelers do let guys walk when they're going into free agency at times. I don't know if he makes it onto the market, but if he does then its a no-brainer IMO.

If he makes it to FA you have to think the Redskins become front runners for him because his LB coach is now our LB coach. He would be familiar with the scheme to an extent on the LB side and would become a monster opposite of Orakpo. Would be a great signing no question

[PlayAction]

Agree. Teams that know how to build a team up like the Giants would be laughing at us if we went center with a top ten pick, not to mention the rest of the league. Has there been a center ever drafted top 10? I know for guard its been really rare to go top 10. That's left tackle territory. I think we are so used to Vinny's drafts where he got a decent player in the first round and the rest of that draft with an odd exception would bring no marquee players -- well that's not how its supposed to work. We should be able to get a very good center and or guard in the 2nd round especially if we have a top 10 2nd rounder. I don't think the Giants have a single first rounder on that line, aside from Andrews who the Eagles drafted. They use their 2nd thru 5th rounders. They use their first rounders on guys like Kiwanuka, Manning, Nicks -- marquee players, as opposed to reaching.

True. When the Skins ran the power running scheme they were able to pick up a quality Guard (Dockery) in round 3. Shanahan's system requires athletic Guards that supposedly can give up a bit on the power side. If that's still true then Skins should be able to find a good fit for a Guard lower in the draft. Of course, Guards that are both athletic and powerful are going to be taken early.

[Dukes and Skins]

What players would you trade for picks? IMO all of these should be on the table:

McNabb (see if Arizona or Minnesota will bite)

Moss (not sure what we could get for him, but he'll be 31 and isn't getting any younger and never was a #1 WR to begin with)

Cooley (huge Cooley fan, but we have Davis and more pressing needs and we could probably get a 2-3 rounder for him)

Haynesworth (GTFO)

London Fletcher (Huge fan, but he's getting older and deserves another shot at a postseason title run. That won't happen here.)

Rodgers/McIntosh (I may be mistaken, but will they both be UFAs? not sure what can be done with them b/c of the CBA uncertainty)

Moss wouldn't get us much. I have a feeling that McNabb is going to stay here and we won't trade him. Cooley is very likely right now and could fetch something similar to what Jeremy Shockey got with a 2nd and 5th rounder. Fletcher wouldn't get us much maybe a 4th or 5th. Rogers and McIntosh can't be traded as they'll be both UFA's at the end of the season. Big Al would fetch maybe a late 2nd but probably a 3rd if we go for it

[SMU Redskin]

Moss wouldn't get us much. I have a feeling that McNabb is going to stay here and we won't trade him. Cooley is very likely right now and could fetch something similar to what Jeremy Shockey got with a 2nd and 5th rounder. Fletcher wouldn't get us much maybe a 4th or 5th. Rogers and McIntosh can't be traded as they'll be both UFA's at the end of the season. Big Al would fetch maybe a late 2nd but probably a 3rd if we go for it

So Cooley, Fletch, and Haynesworth and we could (possibly ) get 2 second rounders, a fourth, and two fifths?

So we'd have, by round: a 1,2,2,2,4,5,5,5,6,7 Sounds good to me.

Only question is whether or not this is the draft to acquire picks in, as the underclassmen may all stay in school, and thus a considerably weaker draft class.

[Dukes and Skins]

So Cooley, Fletch, and Haynesworth and we could (possibly ) get 2 second rounders, a fourth, and two fifths?

So we'd have, by round: a 1,2,2,2,4,5,5,5,6,7 Sounds good to me.

Only question is whether or not this is the draft to acquire picks in, as the underclassmen may all stay in school, and thus a considerably weaker draft class.

I'm only saying its possible we could get those for them I can only see us getting real value for Cooley and Haynesworth and thats it

[SMU Redskin]

I'm only saying its possible we could get those for them I can only see us getting real value for Cooley and Haynesworth and thats it

If we could get a second and fifth for Cooley and a second for Haynesworth, we still have a first rounder and three second rounders. I could live with that.

[Dukes and Skins]

If we could get a second and fifth for Cooley and a second for Haynesworth, we still have a first rounder and three second rounders. I could live with that.

We could very well have that I see Haynesworth getting a very late 2nd so you could almost say its pretty much a high 3rd round pick. Someone in the late part of the 2nd could trade for him looking for them to have someone to push them over the edge on D IE a team like the Saints who could be looking that route and have someone to tandem with Sedrick Ellis Will Smith and Charles Grant

[SKOALSKIN]

you guys are ****ing high is you think Haynesworth's trade value has increased over the season. We'll be lucky to get a conditional 7th now that he's had his latest tantrum. It's called leverage gent's and right now we have none. We would be lucky to snag a 4th rounder for cooley. If your going to lay out scenarios at least make them realistic.

[Dirt]

I'm all about getting O LINE first and foremost, but might as well keep an open mind...with that said, this position would put us right around AJ Green/Julio Jones...

But what just crossed my mind got me a little excited....It should be easy to grab Mark Ingram at that spot......that could be fun

[Travdaskin]

I would take a 3rd and 5th for Cooley and a 4th or 5th for Haynesworth. AH being gone itself gives the team a 1st round mindstate lol...

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

knowing the Skins will dump him, no one will give up anything for Fat Albert...., not a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. Our compensation would be not having his lazy ass around any longer, which would be great.

[Skinsinparadise]

knowing the Skins will dump him, no one will give up anything for Fat Albert...., not a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. Our compensation would be not having his lazy ass around any longer, which would be great.

that's probably right but we already know that the best case would be a 4th for AH. they shopped him this off season and according to two different reporters the best offer they got was from Tennessee and that was a 4th rounder. Surprised by all this talk about getting a 2nd rounder for AH. his market has been tested. From what i read if the skins could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him, he'd be gone months ago.

We can't really look at trading picks from the perspective of how the Redskins trade picks, Vinny would overpay for everybody just about, we should look at how the rest of the teams do this and for the most part NFL teams are stingy with picks. Ravens get Boldin, who is a stud WR, for a third rounder, Jets get Hines for a 5th rounder. Getting first rounders, and 2nd rounders back in trades is pretty rare.

[Laxpunk2006]

We could very well have that I see Haynesworth getting a very late 2nd so you could almost say its pretty much a high 3rd round pick. Someone in the late part of the 2nd could trade for him looking for them to have someone to push them over the edge on D IE a team like the Saints who could be looking that route and have someone to tandem with Sedrick Ellis Will Smith and Charles Grant

Charles Grant is out of the NFL. I'm thinking we're going to end up with a third or fourth for Haynesworth. Everyone knows we have no choice but to move him and his attitude is the worst I've seen so I doubt there is going to be any sort of bidding war.