SMOSS89 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 In the aftermath of another disappointing loss (this time to the Vikings), I was surprised at the amount of spotlight given to Redskins fans. Whether it be players calling out the fans, fans bickering over what really troubles the Redskins, or , the current state of the burgundy and gold faithful have taken my attention away from the troubles of the actual team. Each fan is entitled to their own opinion, and as fans of this team, no one fan's view of the team is "better" than anyone else's view, as each fan has the right express how they feel about the team they love. All that being said, from all that I have heard and read (for most of this year, really), there seems to be two fundamental ideas butting heads here, with most fans leaning one way or the other, but no one fan fully falling into one extreme or the other: Idea 1: Same old, Same old The idea that nothing has really changed, this team keeps having the same struggles (o line, lack of playmakers, etc.) year after year and no matter who the coach is, no matter what group of players are brought in, the results are the same. I hear a lot of these phrases thrown around: "How come we keep bringing in all these old players?!?" "Oh yeah? Then why would you trade for McNabb for a 2nd and a 3rd?!" "It's been the same thing every year! They look like they're not trying!" "Why go to a 3-4 defense when you don't have 3-4 personnel?" "Shanahan doesn't know how to draft well!" "Kyle only got the job cause his daddy is coach!" You also have some who react to one play or one game and somehow extrapolate a very strong opinion about the team's flaws, and it's solely based off of that very small sample size. As mentioned earlier, there is no one fan that I've seen share ALL of the above beliefs, but I've seen a number of fans share bits and pieces of this viewpoint. Click Here to see rest of post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR2Drift Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Some people are optimistic some are not, can't fault anyone for whatever viewpoint they have. Last years disaster broke the camels back for me. I don't worry about the future of this team anymore, what will be will be is my new motto for the Redskins. I'll cheer for the team on Sunday and hope for the best but I don't worry about the team from Monday to Saturday as I once did. Some might consider me a lesser fan but it is definitely is easier to just accept things instead of dwelling on every little thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 And for the pic I used this (I felt bad about using this, so I blurred the two guys out): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR2Drift Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 it looks like he is hating some lady. Sorry to lady dude if he took offense in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 It's not a lady. I linked to the original fight in the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Ya know, out of your two groups, it's the idjits in group one I'd love to see just go find something else to do with their time instead of spend it here. While human nature is to be negative, it seems that those falling into that group are beyond negative. They've gone full retard in not understanding a damn thing that's going on with this team while rebuilding yet still being competitive. It's those fans that have started to make ES unbearable to even visit, 3-4 days after a loss. And it's a damn shame when I see guys that are actually pretty damn intelligent, just start spouting off nonsense as if a virus of stupidity has taken over their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Hmm... I think SMOSS89 got the idea for this blog post after reading through this thread, amirite? :pfft: Ya know, out of your two groups, it's the idjits in group one I'd love to see just go find something else to do with their time instead of spend it here. While human nature is to be negative, it seems that those falling into that group are beyond negative. They've gone full retard in not understanding a damn thing that's going on with this team while rebuilding yet still being competitive. It's those fans that have started to make ES unbearable to even visit, 3-4 days after a loss. And it's a damn shame when I see guys that are actually pretty damn intelligent, just start spouting off nonsense as if a virus of stupidity has taken over their minds. This quote is sig worthy. Couldn't of said it better myself, honestly. Have you seen murf's thread, TK? Good conversation going on in there now. By the way, I do disagree about human nature being negative. Otherwise, perfectly said man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Ya know, out of your two groups, it's the idjits in group one I'd love to see just go find something else to do with their time instead of spend it here. While human nature is to be negative, it seems that those falling into that group are beyond negative. They've gone full retard in not understanding a damn thing that's going on with this team while rebuilding yet still being competitive. It's those fans that have started to make ES unbearable to even visit, 3-4 days after a loss. And it's a damn shame when I see guys that are actually pretty damn intelligent, just start spouting off nonsense as if a virus of stupidity has taken over their minds. Well, you know where I am aligned, TK . And I agree it's getting tough to post stuff on nights of losses or even a couple days after. It does get a little clustered around here so I wait till about Wednesday and/or Thursday to post stuff. I try to post either stuff that has nothing to do with the game or something that we should be happy about (ie my "Brandon Banks is a star" thread). They say winning cures everything, and that includes ES! ---------- Post added December-2nd-2010 at 07:47 PM ---------- Hmm... I think SMOSS89 got the idea for this blog post after reading through this thread, amirite? :pfft: Hahah, naw I was going to post this up yesterday but I got lazy. I'm a murf fan but I wouldn't straight steal his thunder like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 What's astounding is that a few years ago we won a playoff game, and the negativity about a winning performance was dominating the board. I feel fantasy leagues have diluted die hard fan enthusiasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Well, you know where I am aligned, TK . And I agree it's getting tough to post stuff on nights of losses or even a couple days after. It does get a little clustered around here so I wait till about Wednesday and/or Thursday to post stuff. I try to post either stuff that has nothing to do with the game or something that we should be happy about (ie my "Brandon Banks is a star" thread). They say winning cures everything, and that includes ES! ---------- Post added December-2nd-2010 at 07:47 PM ---------- Hahah, naw I was going to post this up yesterday but I got lazy. I'm a murf fan but I wouldn't straight steal his thunder like that. lol, I didn't mean murf's actual post, but the conversation that's going on within it. I wouldn't think for one second a man of intelligence such as yourself would resort to plagiarizing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Hah, yeah, I get what you mean, I'd love to be anointed 'top gun' status someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Well, it's this kind of stuff as the 'fan revolt' of last year that kind of makes me laugh when people say we could never rebuild because the fans wouldn't stand for it. Maybe they wouldn't, but it doesn't seem like they're putting up with whatever it is we've been doing, either. So, what's the danger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konga2145 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Well, it's this kind of stuff as the 'fan revolt' of last year that kind of makes me laugh when people say we could never rebuild because the fans wouldn't stand for it. Maybe they wouldn't, but it doesn't seem like they're putting up with whatever it is we've been doing, either. So, what's the danger? ---------- Post added December-2nd-2010 at 08:34 PM ---------- I think the young fan base who haven't seen a Superbowl here are the ones complaining the most. That is their right I guess. Maybe because I have seen them in Syuperbowls it doesn't bother me as much. It just seems they don't really want to wait for us to rebuild, but rebuild we have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Good read SMOSS...hell, I lean so far to option 2, my blind homerism even AGREED w/ the McNabb benching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Ya know, out of your two groups, it's the idjits in group one I'd love to see just go find something else to do with their time instead of spend it here. While human nature is to be negative, it seems that those falling into that group are beyond negative. They've gone full retard in not understanding a damn thing that's going on with this team while rebuilding yet still being competitive. It's those fans that have started to make ES unbearable to even visit, 3-4 days after a loss. And it's a damn shame when I see guys that are actually pretty damn intelligent, just start spouting off nonsense as if a virus of stupidity has taken over their minds. Well, this is directed at me, as I fit a lot of what's being said in group one. Nor will I back down from that stance, no matter who it is and how much I respect them calling me out for it. The switch to the 3-4, with Haslett, was a poor decision. There were no other 3-4 coaches available. Okay. Then don't go to the 3-4. His other 3-4 choice, Zimmer, wasn't any better. Poor decision there. And until I see an actual difference in philosophy, I won't buy that we've changed. I'm not willing to condemn Allen or Shanahan after one season (part of one season), but I'll believe change when I see it. I still believe the McNabb deal was a poor decision. We could have used the picks to improve our roster with people that could have helped much more than McNabb has thus far. I love this team. There is some bright spots. But the last few years (read: decades) have made it tough for me to be positive about everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Skins Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 My advice: Re-post this at this time next year. It'll be much clearer by then (Hopefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Great post! Not sure I fall into one or the other, but I'm aware that we're not very good and hopeful that, with time, this coaching staff and FO can get us headed in the right direction. The McNabb move and drafting a LT who seems to have a lot of talent was a great start. We've got a ways to go though, so next year could be better but not quite the year. Our offseason moves in 2011 (assuming there is a season) and 2012 will be huge for this franchise. If we miss on the draft and in FA in the next couple of years, it will be much of the same for a while. We're really behind the eight ball, but you never know. Here's to hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Well, this is directed at me Actually, your name never came up when I had a conversation with someone else that actually prompted me to post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio47 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 It's those fans that have started to make ES unbearable to even visit, 3-4 days after a loss. And it's a damn shame when I see guys that are actually pretty damn intelligent, just start spouting off nonsense as if a virus of stupidity has taken over their minds. What i posted in another thread about members that seem to get waaaaaaaay too angry when the slightest thing goes wrong. I believe the average fan reaction during a game boils down to four stages, as demonstrated below: Confusion, Disgust, Fear, and finally Acceptance. I really should have put "eventually" instead of finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedsuperstar Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 The switch to the 3-4, with Haslett, was a poor decision. There were no other 3-4 coaches available. Okay. Then don't go to the 3-4. His other 3-4 choice, Zimmer, wasn't any better. Poor decision there. MMMMMM!!! Well, I understand why Shanahan went to the 3-4 defense. The problem is that when things go wrong, we don't know how too fix it. So, the fans start pointing fingers. This team was 4-12 last year. Exactly what team did the defense stop last year? Stat wise, yeah the Skins were in the top 10. Lets be for real. Do you think offenses were afraid of the Skins defense? Shanahan came here with direction. Not all the players fit the scheme of the 3-4. But those players will be gone. And more than anything, the execution has been the problem. Poor tackling, missed assignments. Stop the sorry *** excuses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Hah, yeah, I get what you mean, I'd love to be anointed 'top gun' status someday lol, you're too humble. You know perfectly well your status around these parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Yeah, it's a civil war: morons vs. non-morons. It's really not a fair fight though as it is evident that the morons heavily outnumber the non. Sorry, I'm a bit cynical about our fans, currently, with the number of overreactions, meltdowns, and conniption fits I've witnessed just this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icbmayday Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 The problem is everybody thinks they have the answer....if it was that simple great coaches and GM's would be a dime a dozen......there not and 7 times out of 10 the average fan is way off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadKarma Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Cant we all just get along and agree we hate Snyder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Ya know, out of your two groups, it's the idjits in group one I'd love to see just go find something else to do with their time instead of spend it here. While human nature is to be negative, it seems that those falling into that group are beyond negative. They've gone full retard in not understanding a damn thing that's going on with this team while rebuilding yet still being competitive. It's those fans that have started to make ES unbearable to even visit, 3-4 days after a loss. And it's a damn shame when I see guys that are actually pretty damn intelligent, just start spouting off nonsense as if a virus of stupidity has taken over their minds. Yeah, it's a civil war: morons vs. non-morons. It's really not a fair fight though as it is evident that the morons heavily outnumber the non.Sorry, I'm a bit cynical about our fans, currently, with the number of overreactions, meltdowns, and conniption fits I've witnessed just this season. I have to applaud you both and thank you for sparing me the effort of expressing just this line of thought. What a great thread to have with my coffee :thumbsup: I'd like to make two points. First, KDawg- while you willingly put yourself in Group One I think you miss some of the point of it. While I may not agree with everything you say, you always express rational thoughts with a solid basis for your opinions. To me that is the difference, critiquing the team with facts and logic is nothing at all like the raving wet-diaper faction rolling on the floor holding their breath 'til they turn blue. We've been through this before here, it is never a question of opposition or negativity, it is the way some lemmings go screaming over the edge in the most lunatic fashion imaginable. Secondly the contention that it is "the young fanbase" that overreacts. Some of the most levelheaded commentary lately has come from 20-somethings, while some of the worst meltdowns have been from 40+-ers. It is not a matter of age or generational viewpoint, both groups are well represented on both sides. The difference seems to be those that actually know and understand the game maintaining their sanity vs the barbarian hordes at the gates whose knowledge of football wouldn't slop over the edges of a thimble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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