Would a lockout year benefit the Redskins? Yes, it would

[terpskins10]

That doesn't mean the players can't find other means to get together and practice to keep sharp/learn systems. And that doesn't mean the players can't communicate with the coaches.

Not so sure about this, KDawg. The players could definitely get together and practice, but they might be more contractually liable for injuries sustained in this manner than if they were hurt during a league-sanctioned practice. The NFLPA might deter them from doing so in case they stand to lose a lot of money doing it.

As for communicating with coaches, I'd be surprised if the league didn't impose a rule somewhere stating that coaches (employed by the owners) would be able to discuss football with players while they are locked out.

[KDawg]

Not so sure about this, KDawg. The players could definitely get together and practice, but they might be more contractually liable for injuries sustained in this manner than if they were hurt during a league-sanctioned practice. The NFLPA might deter them from doing so in case they stand to lose a lot of money doing it.

As for communicating with coaches, I'd be surprised if the league didn't impose a rule somewhere stating that coaches (employed by the owners) would be able to discuss football with players while they are locked out.

Rules don't matter much, as we've noticed with the NCAA.

If the players want to practice, they will.

If the coaches and players want to communicate, they will.

I'm sure there will be "rules" put in place... But if I'm a coach, the smart thing to do is to find a way to communicate with any and all players willing to practice/learn systems. If you do it and even three others teams in the league do not, you have a distinct advantage.

[pointyfootball]

McNabb would be then pushing 36 y/o at the start of the next playing season.

[Sekhmet728]

it would certainly benefit MY mental health

Nooooooooooo!

ME no care bout brain! ME want FOOTBALL!!!!

[terpskins10]

Rules don't matter much, as we've noticed with the NCAA.

If the players want to practice, they will.

If the coaches and players want to communicate, they will.

I'm sure there will be "rules" put in place... But if I'm a coach, the smart thing to do is to find a way to communicate with any and all players willing to practice/learn systems. If you do it and even three others teams in the league do not, you have a distinct advantage.

While I do agree that they will find a way to do it, the entire struggle here is about money. If these rules are broken, each side stands to lose more than just vacated wins or college eligibility. They themselves will lose money as well. They wouldn't be financially covered by the teams in the event of injury.

I think they'll definitely find a way for at least some guys to keep in football shape during a lockout year, but I think it's going to be a lot less guys than we'd like to think.

[Burgold]

I dunno about that. To me that's a pretty heavy advantage to a team that is drafting within the first couple of picks. Two number one picks in two consecutive years? Not sure how the financial ramifications would go (rookie cap etc) but to have your pick of the litter twice is pretty incredible. How many times in the past has the same team drafted #1 overall? Anyone know offhand?

Maybe we could do a NBA style lottery for the top ten?

[illone]

I think some people, myself included, would find something better to do and walk away for longer than a year.

:whoknows:

[Dukes and Skins]

I think this. My understanding is that the CBA allows for a 2011 draft, but how will there be a 2012 draft? How will they rank the teams?

I could see there being no 2012 draft and like a "super" 12 round draft in 2013.

I think they'd try something like the NHL draft style where its a lottery but there are restrictions on who can go where. Basically so it doesn't allow teams to have #1 picks in back to back years.

[daveakl]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD Idea.

Snyder has a heavy debt against the team. No games = high loss in revenue. While I imagine he has large cash reserves it still would hurt him going forward.

[wrecker]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD Idea.

Snyder has a heavy debt against the team. No games = high loss in revenue. While I imagine he has large cash reserves it still would hurt him going forward.

So Snyder may have no choice but to sell the team? Hey wait! We may be onto something here!

[Dukes and Skins]

So Snyder may have no choice but to sell the team? Hey wait! We may be onto something here!

Look at Tampa Bay with the Glazer family they are in heavy debt from the Buccaneers and Manchester United and they still own the Bucs, Snyder won't sell this team I just don't see it happening

[KDawg]

The mere suggestion that a lockout is a good idea makes my head hurt. There is no bright side for a lockout if you're a fan of this game... And since we're all fans of the Redskins, we're all fans of the game...

[daveakl]

Look at Tampa Bay with the Glazer family they are in heavy debt from the Buccaneers and Manchester United and they still own the Bucs, Snyder won't sell this team I just don't see it happening

Bingo, he isn't going to sell the team, it will still make money. But maybe there are no large upfront signing bonuses, or we go the way of the bengals/cards and have crappy scouting departments.

[addicted]

This isn't one of your better ideas. Let me try and explain

Sure, on one level it would really suck. No football for a whole year, but would it be good for the Redskins?

No, not even one bit. No football would not help this team any.

I think it might be. Afterall, what are the biggest problems on the Redskins?

Lack of talent and lack of depth.

A lockout would give the Redskins two full drafts to address their depth and begin to assemble the team that Shanny truly envisions.

Ok first off I'm actually really surprised at the lack of attention our 2010 draft has gotten. In that draft:

First Round = Trent Williams

Hes missed a couple of games due to injury but he's not given up many sacks this year. For the 4th overall pick in the draft he's done pretty good but he's supposed to be a franchise tackle and I'm not sure he actually is at this point.

Second Round = Donovan McNabb

Alots been said about McNabb and his impact on the team this year. The fact is we've won one more game this season then all of last year and have 5 games left. If we don't win more games this year and I think that is in question with the schedule we have then was this a good trade to make? I'm not sure. QB's are judged by wins and losses, and we haven't won much with McNabb so far and he aint getting any younger

Third Round = Jeremy Jarmon

This was a wasted pick. The guys got zero sacks in two seasons and a total of 2 tackles this year. While it wasn't this regimes decision to bring him here this was still our pick used to get him.

Fourth Round = Perry Riley

Google Riley and all you will see is how he cost us the game last week. He's played in 3 games this year and got 3 tackles for his effort.

Fifth Round = Adam Carriker

Probably our best draft pick this season since it didn't cost much to get him. He's been on some plays but not much. 19 tackels and half a sack but for a 5th rounder what more do you expect?

Sixth Round = Dennis Morris

Didn't make the team, traded to the Rams.

Seventh Round = Terrence Austin

For a team starved at WR you'd think he'd have gotten some playing time if he were any good but thats yet to happen.

Seventh Round = Erik Cook/Selvish Capers

Neither guys made the 53 man roster but I believe made the practice squad.

Our most impactful rookies this year were undrafted free agents Bandon Banks and Keiland Williams. The juries still out on most of these guys but the fact to me is that in the first year under Bruce Allen this isn't shaping up to be a good draft. I hope they all turn out to be studs but thinking that two more drafts means that we are locked stocked and ready to rock with a new young core group of players to me is wishful thinking with these results.

Given that, and a strong free agency class and the Redskins might actually be able to get much younger, stronger, and faster. The aging vets we'd have to keep despite their fragility and declining skills could be let go and all our injuries that usually take a year to fully get over would get that year.

This is the biggest reason to want us to play next year. With no season comes little to no action in Free Agency. How is Snyder going to sign a bigtime player like Vincent Jackson if he's wondering with no seat revenue he's going to pay him? This is a strong looking FA class coming out and for us to get involved with it we need to have a season to look forward to,

On the downside, whatever momentum, comradery, or discipline this team was finally learning would probably have to be retaught from ground zero, but overall for the Redskins a year off may be just the thing that the doctor ordered.

Sorry but your points aren't very strong and history doesn't agree with you.

And for the fans, it might even be better. There seems to be a growing impatience and a shortening of the fuse caused by too many years of consecutive frustration. Taking that year off might give our psyches a chance to heal as well.

This is the weakest arguement of the lot. Every single year in the Spring/Summer we are all excited that this is the year we win it all. That would only get worse with one year off. The fans would likely jump off a bridge after the first loss of the year if we are locked out. The average Redskins fan has the thinking this is 1990 every year not that we are a losing ball club. This would wreck the franchise and the fanbase and I don't think that a year removed changes that for the average fan, it will just get worse.

What do you guys think?

I like reading your topics and you post lots of them, but I think this is clearly not one of your better ideas or posts.

[ChicagoRedskinsFan]

People who are stuck with a Club seat contract might benefit from a lockout. The Redskins have to refund any payment for games that are cancelled due to lockout. But the downside is I'm sure they are still going to want their money up-front in March/April timeframe, so I guess they would sit on it until the games are offically cancelled.

[BLEED-B&G]

Missing a year won't do anything to better this team in the long run, don't think your argument holds any water. How would this alter a draft/team building strategy? The methodology stays the same. Fills holes where possible; BPA when that's not possible.

All a year off does it limit the experience draft picks get. Season or not you end up wit the same amount of draft picks, same strategy; build a better team.

Only benefit to lockout next year is in my wallet. I am all for it.

[Burgold]

Basically, the idea is that you have a double draft class. So, you have twice as large a pool to pick from to better your team all at once. If we bring in fourteen guys hopefully we can find a couple of guards, a free safety, a wide receiver, a nose tackle, a linebacker. To get all of this in one draft class might be impossible, but in two? Plus free agency? We basically would have the ability to really rebuild and start with a sprint (a pretty raw team, but a suddenly young team that's full of potential) and get rid of all the anchors we've been holding onto for a few extra years because we can't afford to cut loose their contracts.

[addicted]

Basically, the idea is that you have a double draft class. So, you have twice as large a pool to pick from to better your team all at once. If we bring in fourteen guys hopefully we can find a couple of guards, a free safety, a wide receiver, a nose tackle, a linebacker. To get all of this in one draft class might be impossible, but in two? Plus free agency? We basically would have the ability to really rebuild and start with a sprint (a pretty raw team, but a suddenly young team that's full of potential) and get rid of all the anchors we've been holding onto for a few extra years because we can't afford to cut loose their contracts.

You missed my lengthy post or didn't understand it. The number of draft picks don't matter, what does is how you use them. The first year results from this groups drafting doesn't look good to me. I understand that it takes more then one year to evaluate talent but we seemed to have missed on almost every pick we used last season. If we have 10 drafts to find the best players having 10 drafts won't matter if the drafted players aren't good players. To say that us getting 2 drafts in means we are better off just doesn't hold any water since the proof as they say isn't in the pudding. As for the contracts you speak of I believe with the exception of Portis and Hanyesworth we have written off the bad deals we have on the books as much as possible this season. That part of the house is in order, the part missing is talent evaluation. We need to see much more out of the upcoming draft to feel comfortable that this group knows how to spot a football player from a pretender

[Burgold]

I think your argument's valid, addicted. Of course, it's depressing too

I think the more picks you have though the more your odds increase in getting someone good. What's interesting is how well Allen seemed to do in undrafted free agency. We seem to have found three or four contributors. When's the last time that happened! That makes me hopeful that someone over there has a clue what they're doing.

More, on the talent evaluation side wasn't there a rumor around draft time that Allen was planning to clean house and get an entirely new crew, but kept around Vinny's group because there wasn't enough time to replace them and get a good draftboard/free agent board together. Plus, it gave Allen a chance to really see his front office in action and assess who was worth keeping.

[Taylor 36]

But what would fantasy football junkies and EA Sports do? The madness!!!

[addicted]

I think your argument's valid, addicted. Of course, it's depressing too

I think the more picks you have though the more your odds increase in getting someone good. What's interesting is how well Allen seemed to do in undrafted free agency. We seem to have found three or four contributors. When's the last time that happened! That makes me hopeful that someone over there has a clue what they're doing.

I don't know how to explain that but finding productive undrafted free agents isn't anything new to Shannahan. He's done that his entire career. And over the two men's careers besides a few exceptions neither has drafted very well at all. Both of these you'll see if you look at the history of the men. I'm not sure what it means though. If those undrafted players hadn't done something the forum would be going crazy about the lack of drafting quality players. So they get a pass for now and probably honestly deserve it. Its hard not to see the yound talent on this team they brought in.

More, on the talent evaluation side wasn't there a rumor around draft time that Allen was planning to clean house and get an entirely new crew, but kept around Vinny's group because there wasn't enough time to replace them and get a good draftboard/free agent board together. Plus, it gave Allen a chance to really see his front office in action and assess who was worth keeping.

If thats the case then I'd love to know that who ever was responsible for the 2010 draft won't be anywhere near upcoming drafts. It doesn't give the men a complete pass for screwing up as badly as they did in 2010 but it would go towards me feeling good about the next draft.

[Highway66]

Can you say USFL

[Highway66]

October 4, 2010

Dear New USFL Fans,

Today we are announcing that the New United States Football League will play in 2012 with 12 teams. This decision will allow us to start with more teams and start off stronger, with more fans. This will also allow the front office for each team to be up and working for a year before we kick off.

Other reasons that came into play on this decision include:

• We don't have to take a TV deal in a mad rush

• We can take our time and get the best deal for the league and its fans

• It also keeps us clear of a potential NFL strike in 2011

As much as we wanted to go with 6 to 8 teams in 2011, the smartest thing to do was wait for 2012, kicking off with 12 strong teams and a TV deal that works for all parties. The owners are getting in place now and it won't be long before we can share all the important information you're looking for.

Thanks for understanding and we look forward to the 2012 season kickoff of the United States Football League.

Michael Dwyer

Founder and Chairman

The New United States Football League

[Sellersfan]

I think as a fan, we need to look big picture.

The notion that a team would benefit from a stike is absurd.

MLB, NHL, have both had strikes/ lockouts that have taken years to recover from. Whenever a strike occurs, you will lose a portion of your fan base permanently. Fans find other things to spend their money on. Just think what you could do with the thousands of dollars the average fan shells out on tickets, merchandise, and concessions/ parking! That is a family trip to somewhere tropical!

The players will be another year older in a short career span.

Once said strike is over, believe me, Danny will gouge you to make up revenue from the lost season. Using the "double draft" as an example, all tickets, merchandise, concessions, and parking have now doubled in price, as we have twice the players to sign! LOL!

[NavyDave]

It would benefit my increase of going to CAPs games and watching College football.