Most dissapointing thing about the redskins......

[phishisthegreatstuff]

Zero home field advantage!!! Wtf. It seems like we play better on the road. Someone please explain to me how this is?? We have the largest stadium in the nfl and we are supposed to have a very good fan base...wtf gives!!!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

We no longer have one of the best fan bases in the league. Not by a long shot. Despite insisting that they want a patient owner, the fans want instant gratification and feels entitled to wins. At the first sign of trouble, the fans at the stadium either sit on their hands or turn against their team.

[Crazy Levi]

We no longer have one of the best fan bases in the league. Not by a long shot. Despite insisting that they want a patient owner, the fans want instant gratification and feels entitled to wins. At the first sign of trouble, the fans at the stadium either sit on their hands or turn against their team.

I agree. The most dissapointing thing about the Redskins is their awful, awful fanbase, as far as I can tell.

[GaryGreenMonk]

We no longer have one of the best fan bases in the league. Not by a long shot. Despite insisting that they want a patient owner, the fans want instant gratification and feels entitled to wins. At the first sign of trouble, the fans at the stadium either sit on their hands or turn against their team.

I'm sick of hearing this junk.

If fans of this team wanted nothing but instant gratification, they would have ceased being fans freaking 18 years ago.

People have gone from diapers to working full time at a desk and never seen this team do crap in the playoffs.. even have a shot at a conference championship.

Stop with the first sign of trouble crap.

Why do you think fans are like that?

maybe because they've been screwed repeatedly for almost 2 decades of poor management decisions. If you aren't skeptical of choices this organization makes at this point, regardless of MS running the show, then your head is screwed on wrong.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

We no longer have one of the best fan bases in the league. Not by a long shot. Despite insisting that they want a patient owner, the fans want instant gratification and feels entitled to wins. At the first sign of trouble, the fans at the stadium either sit on their hands or turn against their team.

I was not at the game Sunday, but damn is sounded quiet on TV. Really quiet......I know you canot compare college to pro, but walk into a Va Tech home game......truely intimidating. I have been guilty of leaving early as well. Winning will make it better, but as stated in every other anti Fed Ex thread we just cannot seem to turn this thing around and get back to a loud environment that teams used to hate to play in....

[phishisthegreatstuff]

Its pathetic...We should pump sound in like Seattle does. It really something managment needs to look into in the off season. There has to be something we can do.

[Soup]

Its pathetic...We should pump sound in like Seattle does. It really something managment needs to look into in the off season. There has to be something we can do.

1) double the cheerleader count.

2) get the cheerleaders into the stands and have them make people dance. I'd be dancing

3) lower the price of the nachos, its ridiculous.

Boom, instant fix.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

1) double the cheerleader count.

2) get the cheerleaders into the stands and have them make people dance. I'd be dancing

3) lower the price of the nachos, its ridiculous.

Boom, instant fix.

Cheerleaders + Nachos + ??? = Championship!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'm sick of hearing this junk.

Sorry.

If fans of this team wanted nothing but instant gratification, they would have ceased being fans freaking 18 years ago.

Sure...some of them. But this area has an entire contingent of very, very, very casual fans. Many of them HAVE ceased being the type of fans we had in the 1980s. It's their right, of course, but it's just my observation. The fan base is less knowledgeable and enthusiastic now than they were in the past.

People have gone from diapers to working full time at a desk and never seen this team do crap in the playoffs.. even have a shot at a conference championship.

That's true. I'm your age, so I last saw this team be relevant (at a league level) during my freshman year of high school. I have gotten my driver's license, played varsity sports, graduated high school, fallen in love for the first time, had my heart broken for the first time, graduated college, lost people I love, advanced in my career (looks over shoulder at desk...), fallen in love again, gotten married, had two kids, etc. since we last played for a conference championship. Having said that, why would that make any difference in the loyalty I show to my team?

Stop with the first sign of trouble crap.

Why do you think fans are like that?

maybe because they've been screwed repeatedly for almost 2 decades of poor management decisions. If you aren't skeptical of choices this organization makes at this point, regardless of MS running the show, then your head is screwed on wrong.

I don't look at things like that. Each year, the people in charge have a new opportunity to field a good team. Why not look forward to it and hope for it? We watch this team for enjoyment...if it's not enjoyable, why are we doing it?

[skinsdude]

I was at the game yesterday, as I am every home game, and I can tell you that the fans had absolutely nothing to do with the Skins losing that game or any other game for that matter. That was on the players and the coaching staff. They need to man up and do their jobs. Our fan base is just fine. If that's your biggest disappointment, you are looking in the wrong place. The problem is on the field, not in the stands. Good grief.

[GaryGreenMonk]

I don't look at things like that. Each year, the people in charge have a new opportunity to field a good team. Why not look forward to it and hope for it? We watch this team for enjoyment...if it's not enjoyable, why are we doing it?

I'll ask this then..

Where do you see improvement?

Brandon Banks and Trent Williams are my only answers.

I feel like this team has actually gotten WORSE over the course of the season.

You want to know why fans are in such a bad mood? It's because this team has really show no improvement over the course of the season.. in fact I feel like they've regressed lately. On top of that, we only have 1 standout young player showing up and his uses on offense are limited. A lot of people like to point to Armstrong, but at the same time don't realize he will be 28 next year, Armstrong is 4 years older than Sydney Rice and 1 year older than Braylon Edwards.

I don't want to get into the long list of what makes me as a fan unhappy about this season, but lets just say I don't have the warm fuzzies with the new regime so far. BUT.. I still want to believe, and that's probably a common feeling among the fans. Unhappy they aren't really seeing improvement, but still hoping.

Lets just hope that hoping doesn't go away by the end of next season, cause it'll get real ugly then.

[Commander PK]

The Stadium is just TOO DAMN BIG. Plain and Simple. Phallus fans are complaining about their stadium also. Every home game, there is a strong contingent of the opponents fans there.

The aspects that made the game day experience at RFK (from what I have been told by family members who were able to see a game there), so cool has not translated to Fed Ex Field. I think fielding a consistent winner would help, but it still wouldn't be the same. Personally, I would rather have the smallest stadium in the NFL, with 55,000 die hards then 91,000, where 30,000 are there rooting for the other team no matter who you play.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'll ask this then..

Where do you see improvement?

We have young contributors all over the place. Younger players who might be playing a role next year include: Banks, Armstrong, Austin, Keiland Williams, Trent Williams, Montgomery, Capers, Cook, Fred Davis, Orakpo, Landry, Hall, etc. I think we've seen a very scrappy team that has stayed in every game but one despite being outmanned very often. We're on our 5th-string RB at this point and are starting an undrafted rookie as our #2 WR (who is on pace to be our most productive #2 WR since 1999).

You want to know why fans are in such a bad mood? It's because this team has really show no improvement over the course of the season.. in fact I feel like they've regressed lately. On top of that, we only have 1 standout young player showing up and his uses on offense are limited. A lot of people like to point to Armstrong, but at the same time don't realize he will be 28 next year, Armstrong is 4 years older than Sydney Rice and 1 year older than Braylon Edwards.

I don't want to get into the long list of what makes me as a fan unhappy about this season, but lets just say I don't have the warm fuzzies with the new regime so far. BUT.. I still want to believe, and that's probably a common feeling among the fans. Unhappy they aren't really seeing improvement, but still hoping.

Lets just hope that hoping doesn't go away by the end of next season, cause it'll get real ugly then.

It shouldn't get ugly...each week we are getting younger as a team. Next year we will have the youngsters playing now plus more. We definitely won't have Galloway or Bidwell (who bumped our age average up) and probably won't have guys like Holliday, Daniels, Rabach, etc. So, I think we can enjoy watching some young role players work hard this December and hope that we add more studs to the mix this coming off-season.

[Truant]

We no longer have one of the best fan bases in the league. Not by a long shot. Despite insisting that they want a patient owner, the fans want instant gratification and feels entitled to wins. At the first sign of trouble, the fans at the stadium either sit on their hands or turn against their team.

I respectfully disagree. The moves to hire Allen and Shanahan were moves that were championed. However, I was disappointed by the move to trade for McNabb as that seemed like a hasty move to get us to contend this year.

What's frustrating about this season is that

a. we're not winning

b. we don't seem to be developing young talent, save for Brandon Banks... and that's really because of special teams.

I still root for the team and watch each game, but I'd be a happier fan to see a more responsible and prudent plan put forth. That way we could look for improvement from young players and build upon a base of players that are looking to make a name for themselves, rather than have players living off their prior reputation.

Keeping Williams and Galloway over Austin and Thomas. Giving away a high 2nd round pick (which ended up being Tony Allen, a good, young free safety) for a quickly aging QB. Trading a mid-round pick for oft-injured Jammal Brown... these moves REEK of the prior regime. When the actions and results are the same but only the names have changed, we can be disappointed.

The Redskins, top to bottom, mismanaged expectations for this team. They felt they could win now and invested heavily in this season. They misled the fan base not because they are evil, but because they were aggressive and arrogant.

[Warhead36]

The stadium erupted when Banks scored that TD that was called back.

Play good football and the fans will be supportive. It sounds fairweather but really, every team is like that. Hell even Colts fans were booing Peyton Manning last night.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

The stadium erupted when Banks scored that TD that was called back.

Play good football and the fans will be supportive. It sounds fairweather but really, every team is like that. Hell even Colts fans were booing Peyton Manning last night.

Cheering a great play isn't being supportive, it's showing elation. Staying positive during rough times is being supportive.

[Crazy Levi]

Cheering a great play isn't being supportive, it's showing elation. Staying positive during rough times is being supportive.

But the rough times last forever! We lost to the Rams! We are cursed! WAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Enter Apotheosis]

Up until this past game my impression was that the fans have been much better at generating noise at home this season then they have been in the last few years. This game certainly featured a quieter and less enthusiastic crowd but let's face it, the ups and downs of this season (and the downs in particular) are just starting to wear on people and it's somewhat to be expected. Also remember that this was a holiday weekend and we were pitted against a 3-7 team, so enthusiasm for football is a bit harder to come by than it would be under different circumstances.

[andyburd]

All you dreamers that think we have such great fans that come to FEDUP field are out in left field.

I was there yesterday, and it was like a funeral home, I can't believe all the people that just hang out at the bar an buy $8.00 beers and never even watch the game on the TV's provided at the bar.

It seems all these people want to do is get hammered all day long and never make any noise, it is pathetic.

Don't ever call me a fair weather fan, i was standing on my seat, screaming at the top of my lungs, and all I heard was down in front, what a joke.

This doesn't happen in most stadiums, but it does in FEDUP field

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Up until this past game my impression was that the fans have been much better at generating noise at home this season then they have been in the last few years. This game certainly featured a quieter and less enthusiastic crowd but let's face it, the ups and downs of this season (and the downs in particular) are just starting to wear on people and it's somewhat to be expected. Also remember that this was a holiday weekend and we were pitted against a 3-7 team, so enthusiasm for football is a bit harder to come by than it would be under different circumstances.

That's true...giving them the benefit of the doubt, it's very possible that many fans were out of town (not in attendance) for this game specifically. I will concede that the stadium sounded very loud during the Cowboys and Colts games earlier this year. Also, the very start of the Eagles game was loud (after the opening KO return was stopped inside the 15).

[Koala]

Cheering a great play isn't being supportive, it's showing elation. Staying positive during rough times is being supportive.

A "rough time" is a 3 game losing streak. This stopped being just a rough time sometime after Clinton was elected, the 1st time. Think about that for a second, Polyanna.

[GaryGreenMonk]

We have young contributors all over the place. Younger players who might be playing a role next year include: Banks, Armstrong, Austin, Keiland Williams, Trent Williams, Montgomery, Capers, Cook, Fred Davis, Orakpo, Landry, Hall, etc. I think we've seen a very scrappy team that has stayed in every game but one despite being outmanned very often. We're on our 5th-string RB at this point and are starting an undrafted rookie as our #2 WR (who is on pace to be our most productive #2 WR since 1999). .

Armstrong is older than Vicent Jackson and Braylon Edwards. Let that sink in first. He's no spring chicken.

Terrence Austin... really? We haven't even seen him take the field against NFL starters. I like the guy.. but he ain't no highlight yet. Ditto on Capers and Cook.. those 2 are likely busts. Late round dice rolls.

Fred Davis, Orakpo, Landry and Hall were all on the team last year... the team that went 4-12. I'm looking for improvement here. Landry is the only one of these players to show significant improvement from last year.. because he got moved to his natural position.

Montgomery could be something.. maybe. It's still a dice roll. Keiland/Torain.. both average.. Johnathan Stewart type players. Neither will ever be a top 15 back.

I also like to remind people that this team was in almost every game last year too. We just got extra lucky a couple more times this year over last.

I really don't see much improvement as a team over last year. You can point to the record i guess.. but just like last year.. every game is very close.. i just feel like we are having a couple more fall our way than last year.

Your point on all the injuries is probably why it feels like the team is getting worse. But as a fan... especially of this team.. i was kind of hoping all the young guys would come in and show some flashes of brilliance and see some improvement like we have osmething here.

But Banks is the only player that I see that from.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

A "rough time" is a 3 game losing streak. This stopped being just a rough time sometime after Clinton was elected, the 1st time. Think about that for a second, Polyanna.

What did I say that wasn't correct? Being supportive isn't clapping when your team scores a TD. It's staying positive and not booing your team when they are struggling (whether those struggles last one play or 20 years). Do you disagree and believe that booing is supportive or that being supportive is only related to showing appreciation for good plays/games?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Armstrong is older than Vicent Jackson and Braylon Edwards. Let that sink in first. He's no spring chicken.

Terrence Austin... really? We haven't even seen him take the field against NFL starters. I like the guy.. but he ain't no highlight yet. Ditto on Capers and Cook.. those 2 are likely busts. Late round dice rolls.

Fred Davis, Orakpo, Landry and Hall were all on the team last year... the team that went 4-12. I'm looking for improvement here. Landry is the only one of these players to show significant improvement from last year.. because he got moved to his natural position.

Montgomery could be something.. maybe. It's still a dice roll. Keiland/Torain.. both average.. Johnathan Steward type players. Neither will ever be a top 15 back.

I also like to remind people that this team was in almost every game last year too. We just got extra lucky a couple more times this year over last.

I really don't see much improvement as a team over last year. You can point to the record i guess.. but just like last year.. every game is very close.. i just feel like we are having a couple more fall our way than last year.

Your point on all the injuries is probably why it feels like the team is getting worse. But as a fan... especially of this team.. i was kind of hoping all the young guys would come in and show some flashes of brilliance and see some improvement like we have osmething here.

But Banks is the only player that I see that from.

I know how old Armstrong is, but I'm failing to see why we can't be excited about the best #2 WR we're going to have in over a decade. You seem to want me to show you improvement but then change the rules on what constitutes improvement. Does it not count unless Armstrong is under a certain age? He's not old, for sure. I'm personally higher on Austin than Armstrong, but he could certainly bust...as all of those guys could. But I'm giving you what I'm most excited about...the potential of some of the guys who will have to play a role moving forward. For years our starters and most backups were set in stone and we knew what our ceiling was (roughly 10 wins if we had no injuries and no bad breaks).

In short, it feels like our return game, deep passing game, and ability to create turnovers are 3 aspects that are much-improved over 2008-2009. Hopefully with continuity and some more youth, we can get more consistent on the short passing game and the defense.

[Koala]

What did I say that wasn't correct? Being supportive isn't clapping when your team scores a TD. It's staying positive and not booing your team when they are struggling (whether those struggles last one play or 20 years). Do you disagree and believe that booing is supportive or that being supportive is only related to showing appreciation for good plays/games?

Nothing you said was outwardly incorrect. But staying positive, IMO, is only a sane thing to do for some amount of time. Staying positive through 20 years of struggles is perhaps admirable, but should not really be a realistic expectation of any fan base. Its great that you can do that, but its also rare and given the natural propensity for people to underappreciate or even abuse that kind of blind loyalty, Im not sure that its always productive.

Sometimes booing is just immature expression of anger. But sometimes, its jsut an attempt to admonish the team, with the hope that the embarassment of being booed in public, will get them to get their **** together. Kinda like yelling at a wayward child in front of his friends in the hope the embarassment will force him to improve his behavior.