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Most Overlooked Disaster of our Team..............

Elmerz

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Elmerz

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Hey all.... very new here, but have been reading this site for quite sometime. One of the best sources for Skins news available.

I have noticed the firing squad has been aiming directly at Jim Haslett's head for that debacle on Monday night. In my opinion our Defense is what it is based on our miserable play by our Defensive line.

In my opinion we have the worst, talentless defensive front in football. I understand that in the 3-4 quite a bit of space eating and taking on blockers has a ton to do with the system. But, this does not mean the defensive line should be completely unproductive. Below is our rotation and their production this year. I wanted to leave AH out of the picture to focus on the rest since they have not been covered all season. Al's stats not that impressive anyway.

Vonnie Holiday- 4 tackles 1/2 sack

Adam Carriker- 9 tackles 1/2 sack

Ma'ake Kemo- 13 tackles 0 sacks

Kedric Golston- 12 tackles 0 sacks

Phillip Daniels- 8 tackles 1 sack

Out of 628 plays this crew has racked up 46 tackles and 2 total sacks. That is around 7% of the total tackles between 5 players who play a large part of the defensive snaps. BJ Raji alone (same 3-4) has 20 tackles and 2.5 sacks on far fewer defensive plays.

Not one of these players (maybe Carriker) should be playing professional football. How do we move forward with this type of talent? It takes years to replace an entire Defensive line. I look at these names and am very concerned for our defense. For everyone who wants to dump Haynesworth, you may want to re-consider. Name one of these players who should be here next year and why??????

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it really starts with the NT position. NT is the most important part of the 3-4

"And you build it from the inside out," Collier said. "The nose tackle and the inside linebackers, those are three guys that are very important. But when you go through it, the nose tackle is probably the single-most important guy.

"He has to hold it all together and make it so the guards can't get out on the inside linebackers. Let me put it this way - the nose tackle can make the inside linebackers look pretty good, and if your inside linebackers look pretty good, you're going to play pretty good defense."

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That's why I've been advocating that we get some dline in this years draft... A nt, de and or olb. Anyone else who has any questions on how important a dline is please

Oh please watch the giants play the eagles. Turnovers start from putting pressure on the qb along with a good defense. I understand that if a good cb drops to us we should take him, but will all seriousness

You can cover a guy for only so long.... When a de, nt, olb can create havic n force things instead.

Also keep in mind we haven't had a good dline since we've had charless mann and company..

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I think Shanahan has a plan, so even though it's EXTREMELY frustrating and sickening to watch this defense I believe it'll work out in the end. Shanahan has the pressure of coaching in DC, but also the advantage of having an owner that will spend whenever he asks for it.

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Alot of the problem Lies with Haslett and Shanahanfor switching to the 3-4. You have to remember this was a top 10 defense for the last 5 years in a 4-3. You go from being top 10 to dead last you deserve to get blasted.

This is the most annoying phrase on the board.

A top 10 defense that did nothing when it matter.

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Elmerz

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I think Shanahan has a plan, so even though it's EXTREMELY frustrating and sickening to watch this defense I believe it'll work out in the end. Shanahan has the pressure of coaching in DC, but also the advantage of having an owner that will spend whenever he asks for it.

Yep hopefully these guys are just temporary band aid's until we can bring in long term effective solutions. I don't see any of these players being here in the next 2/3 years. Ughhh, so many holes where to start!

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Diesel Hog

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This is the most annoying phrase on the board.

A top 10 defense that did nothing when it matter.

I agree. I think the team will be fine (eventually) with the 34. Unfortunately, this team just has a lot of work to do, and at this point I don't know if they should focus on O-Line, D-Line, or a little bit of both. Nonetheless, once there is a solid NT, and Linebacker corp in place, I think the 34 will be great.

Still, just put all of this in perspective...The team's needs are many, not only do the D and O Lines need major work, the Linebackers need upgrading and depth, there is a big need for a Free Safety, a young QB still needs to come in to get groomed, WR's are a must, and pending if James Davis works out, they may need a RB too.

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I think Shanahan has a plan, so even though it's EXTREMELY frustrating and sickening to watch this defense I believe it'll work out in the end. Shanahan has the pressure of coaching in DC, but also the advantage of having an owner that will spend whenever he asks for it.

If you were going to spend, wasn't this the year to do it in an uncapped year?

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The 3-4 is a great system, if you have the personell.

The Skins DO NOT. It is painfully obvious that the D-Line is a complete joke. Karricker and Kemo are just horrid. Give them 10 years in this system and they will still be horrid.

The entire roster is just full of untalented, second or third string players.

Shann and company were pretty limited in what they could do this year - no picks, needs at every position, new system, etc... they got a QB and a Future Pro Bowl Left Tackle... the rest are 3rd tier free agents coming off injuries. The switch to the 3-4 was a huge mistake, given the personell on the roster. They should build a system around Haynesworth, Orakpo, Hall and Landry and play to their strengths - which likely is not the 3-4... Rack is a DE, Haynesworth is a run stuffer...

Maybe the 3-4 could work in a year or so.. but not with the current front 3.

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This is a good thought from the OP, and largely correct.

But I'll give my eye teeth to keep Gholston. He's not the best player in the league, but he works his ass off and does what is asked of him.

Those are the kinds of guys you need around, especilly in this era of the bulk of the money being made by a small number of players. Guys like Gholston or Lorenzo Alexander typically fall in the middle, and the middle has been largely eradicated of talent by the salary cap and free agency.

I'll also agree with others that we have no nose tackle, and that is essential. I'm with Gibbs Hog Heaven,, I hope we don't draft anyone under 300 pounds for a while.

~Bang

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I think all the talk about drafts ignores something huge. What good is it to have 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks if you consistently waste them on busts? Think about which drafted players on the roster have had talent. Orakpo. Landry. Trent Williams. All guys who were can't miss top 10 picks. Look at some of the guys we've drafted in those rounds in recent years. Devin Thomas and Malcomb Kelly: A guy we never let see the field, and a guy who couldn't get on the field if he tried. Fred Davis: A backup tightend with mediocre skills and bigger character issues. Jeremy Jarmon: Two tackles this season. Kevin Barnes and Chad Rinehart: can't even see the field on special teams at this point. Manuel White: Exactly.

What's the point of using these picks on anyone if you can't scout and find the best talent to use them on? Why not trade them away for someone who can actually get on the field every now and again? The problem isn't that we're trading away the picks, it's that we can't evaluate talent to get the most value out of them.

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I think all the talk about drafts ignores something huge. What good is it to have 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks if you consistently waste them on busts? Think about which drafted players on the roster have had talent. Orakpo. Landry. Trent Williams. All guys who were can't miss top 10 picks. Look at some of the guys we've drafted in those rounds in recent years. Devin Thomas and Malcomb Kelly: A guy we never let see the field, and a guy who couldn't get on the field if he tried. Fred Davis: A backup tightend with mediocre skills and bigger character issues. Jeremy Jarmon: Two tackles this season. Kevin Barnes and Chad Rinehart: can't even see the field on special teams at this point. Manuel White: Exactly.

What's the point of using these picks on anyone if you can't scout and find the best talent to use them on? Why not trade them away for someone who can actually get on the field every now and again? The problem isn't that we're trading away the picks, it's that we can't evaluate talent to get the most value out of them.

You can bust on established players too, and with much greater loss. McNabb and Brown are busts.

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