Its Gibbs I revisited. Low Turnovers, Special Teams, Low Penalities - Chime in and get on the Bus

[hands11]

Think about it.

How much does this look like Gibbs I only he went 0-5 before winning. We are 3-2

Vet QB

Low penalties

Win the turnovers

Solid bend dont break D

Field goals

close game that you find a way to win.

HC that runs a tight ship.

We have more big plays and less power running but it look very similar.

The biggest problem is the O Line.

[iMeast]

I can't say that I disagree thus far. I hope we get Joe Gibbs 1.0 results though.

HTTR

[hands11]

Come on Extreme. This is what it is about. Chime in.

[RWJ]

JG 1 was so much better than JG 2. No comparison. JG didn't have his heart, soul and mind in the game like he did back in JG 1.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Tough to tell, mainly because I wasn't born yet

However, it seems like Shanahan is still getting a feel for who can do what. The RB situation is obviously one to monitor. And will Anthony Armstrong take over that number 2 spot and start to get more looks?

Also there is nowhere near the young talent on the O-line. This team just has Trent, that team had Bostic, Jacoby, Grimm and Mark May as young players

[Ghost of]

BUt isn't that more GIbbs I FIRST TWO years?

Cuz by 1983, we got pretty good at big plays and not always needing FG (I mean every team needs to kick FGs lol)

I think some of this is by accident. This team has sometimes looked like it could dominate a few other squads (on offense) but either a throw is just off or McNabb is hurt right now and we have some shuffling on the offensive line. If we can get the line stable, get through this next stretch, reintroduce Portis, I think we can look better than that.

Gibbs 2 is what we look like more, to me (not the worst times, but not the best times either just yet.)

[CliffBattles]

Gibbs I had big plays. Remember Downtown Charlie Brown? Power running mixed with deep passes hard to play D against.

But, our current O-line needs like three new dominant players to be like Gibbs I.

[scruffylookin]

Also there is nowhere near the young talent on the O-line. This team just has Trent, that team had Bostic, Jacoby, Grimm and Mark May as young players

You nailed it.

[skinfan2k]

this is a carbon copy of Gibbs 2.0 not 1.0

[hands11]

BUt isn't that more GIbbs I FIRST TWO years?

Cuz by 1983, we got pretty good at big plays and not always needing FG (I mean every team needs to kick FGs lol)

I think some of this is by accident. This team has sometimes looked like it could dominate a few other squads (on offense) but either a throw is just off or McNabb is hurt right now and we have some shuffling on the offensive line. If we can get the line stable, get through this next stretch, reintroduce Portis, I think we can look better than that.

Gibbs 2 is what we look like more, to me (not the worst times, but not the best times either just yet.)

Hey Ghost. Long time bro.

We have long plays. It's not exactly the same but I say Gibbs I early because of the reason I listed.

Something better then the 0-5 start team. Something between the 91 team.

No Riggo. But more a Byner

No Monk, but more Sander/Clark in Moss

No Theismand more a RIppen but more mobile

Brian O is Wilberish if not Fletcher

We have no D Green but we have our best strong safety in Landry

Its more like the 91 team make up with with Gibbs I early year fundamentals. Position. Low TOs. Low Penalties. Special teams.

[lowek723]

W/o the offensive line it will get tougher

[hands11]

Payton will be a similar test. He and Rogers are a lot a like.

Pulling for Trents toe to get better.

[hands11]

Dallas looses. Super bowl bound and 1-4 LOL

[Frostx08]

Umm...if anyone followed the Broncos when Shanahan took over and look back....the similarities between our team and theirs is creepy so far lol. The only difference is...our running game hasn't been consistent. But the way Shanny built that team through free agency and players who were doubted as having no talent....to outscoring opponents in the first half for the most part....I think as time goes along people will see it

[Darth Tater]

Gibbs I had big plays. Remember Downtown Charlie Brown? Power running mixed with deep passes hard to play D against.

But, our current O-line needs like three new dominant players to be like Gibbs I.

For some reason, people tend to misremember Gibbs 1.0. Gibbs 1.0, while usually attempting fewer passes than most teams (often because we had a lead or a close enough deficit to not abandon the run) but was almost always one whose teams had the most passing yards. Unlike today, the passing game still existed in the 1980s unlike today where most of the passes are just forward hand offs. Except for hitches, screens and check downs, any pass less than 10 yards over the los is not really a pass.

[ChicagoRedskinsFan]

Tough to tell, mainly because I wasn't born yet

However, it seems like Shanahan is still getting a feel for who can do what. The RB situation is obviously one to monitor. And will Anthony Armstrong take over that number 2 spot and start to get more looks?

Also there is nowhere near the young talent on the O-line. This team just has Trent, that team had Bostic, Jacoby, Grimm and Mark May as young players

And Trent isn't off to a good start as far as staying healthy. But just drafting him first is a sign this franchise is returning to priorities.

[hands11]

For some reason, people tend to misremember Gibbs 1.0. Gibbs 1.0, while usually attempting fewer passes than most teams (often because we had a lead or a close enough deficit to not abandon the run) but was almost always one whose teams had the most passing yards. Unlike today, the passing game still existed in the 1980s unlike today where most of the passes are just forward hand offs. Except for hitches, screens and check downs, any pass less than 10 yards over the los is not really a pass.

Gibbs I spanned a lot of years. Think more to Rippen, Clark, Saunder, Byner.

It not exactly the same but similar. Special team. Some long balls. Limited mistakes. Solid with turnovers. Field position.

Gibbs used to say.. most team beat themselves so he would have his team not do that and wait for the other team to do it. Even when he was outmatched in talent.

[thebluefood]

I was just thinking about that while watching the highlights yesterday.

The only thing we lack, though, is the one thing that made those Redskins teams great: the offensive line. We don't have that solid core of young talent defending our backfield. Right now, all we have is Trent Williams. Everyone else is "meh" at best.

If/when we get that solid offensive line, we're going to be world beaters.

[Rodriggo]

Agreed. Definitely has that feel of a tough, disciplined team with a clear "leader" at HC AND now finally at QB.

Almost impossible to not improve from "Stay Medium" unless you dress up a chimp in and old Redskins starter jacket and give him a clipboard.

Gibbs with McNabb and that defense might have been really special in 2005.

[ouvan59]

this is a carbon copy of Gibbs 2.0 not 1.0

The difference being Scott Brunell vs Donovan McNabb. I haven't seen McNabb throw perfect strike after perfect strike to the guy holding the down marker yet.

[Darth Tater]

Gibbs I spanned a lot of years. Think more to Rippen, Clark, Saunder, Byner.

It not exactly the same but similar. Special team. Some long balls. Limited mistakes. Solid with turnovers. Field position.

Gibbs used to say.. most team beat themselves so he would have his team not do that and wait for the other team to do it. Even when he was outmatched in talent.

The only seasons we were not well above average in passing during Gibbs 1 were in 1984 and 1985 (mostly because the original core of the team was getting old and our opponents had a better idea of what we were trying to do). Theismann actually had a higher YPC in most of his years under Gibbs than Ryp. In almost every season during Gibbs first go round, we were we among the elite in the passing game. We actually were not all that efficient in the running game but were very effective mostly due to the fact that our passing game was elite so even when we were playing from behind, teams played us like they were behind. It was well-known throughout the 80s that the best way to beat Joe Gibbs was to take away the big play and the only big plays we could muster usually came from the passing game.

[hands11]

I was just thinking about that while watching the highlights yesterday.

The only thing we lack, though, is the one thing that made those Redskins teams great: the offensive line. We don't have that solid core of young talent defending our backfield. Right now, all we have is Trent Williams. Everyone else is "meh" at best.

If/when we get that solid offensive line, we're going to be world beaters.

I would have to agree with that. My worry is that we can't do it fast enough that we don't get old in other positions first. This is the great challenge. We have enough vets that need replaced that every year, someone is going to hit Portis level. It will be their last year or at least they will be getting phased out. Of all the years that they should try to win now, this may be the best opportunity they have had. But how do you add what they need without loosing picks and busting the cap ?

This is a tough one.

The best thing they can do right now that won't cost them is to hope our coaching staff can find some gems out there. They found Banks, Armstrong and Torain.

They added Hunter

They move Landry to SS and Alexander to LB. Alexander push Carter to a back up roll so we got younger.

Armstrong also made us younger. So did Torain. Those three moves helped us not only get younger, but faster and more athletic.

While they all may not have reached their peaks, I have confidence in all of them getting better while preforming now.

Now they need to find some lineman.

Is Lichtensteiger going to be a factor ?

Is Montgomery going to be a player ?

If both can be, then that is both guards and left tackle and HIcks, Dockery and Heyer can be your depth.

What about an upgrade at center. That would be a huge find if they can find one. Center is important. Its the middle of the line.

We have a great find in Trent Williams but can he stay healthy? I hope after the bye is healthy enough to get through the season.

I don't know where they find some lineman, but they need to do something if they want to take this blend of vets and star youth and do something with it this year.

McNabb is a QB that doesn't need forever, but he needs an average amount of time to produce.

So if we can keep Trent healthy, I can see 8-8. If not, we can rack up some losses.

If we can add another lineman or someone can step up. My hope would be playoff and winning in the first round. Probably not more than that unless somehow find a gem at center.