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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/?gt1=43001

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Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee.

Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat.

"They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it," Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann.

The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond.

"We wasn't on their list," he said the operators told him.

Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee.

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Taken at face value this seems really bad.

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Two thoughts.

1 - I always thought of fire fighters as heroic. The ones in this story are not. They are mercenaries that showed up to watch a house burn because the homeowner didn't pay up. I don't care what the rules are there just isn't any heroism in that. Sad to see.

2 - If those people don't like being forced to pay for basic services on top of their income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes... don't vote for social Darwinist *******s that would legislate allowing peoples homes to burn down. I'm glad no one died because of this obvious stupidity.

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I'm a little torn at this. One one hand I do understand the side of the FD. Then there is the part of me that asks could you really just stand there and watch as someone looses everything? Knowing that you have the ability to do something about it. This is not a car and the owner trying to get insurance after an accident. Would they have helped if someone was trapped inside?

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Two thoughts.

1 - I always thought of fire fighters as heroic. The ones in this story are not. They are mercenaries that showed up to watch a house burn because the homeowner didn't pay up. I don't care what the rules are there just isn't any heroism in that. Sad to see.

They didn't show up to "watch it burn". They did not fight it, they fought to keep the property of the paying homeowner from burning.
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My local fire department has a similar policy, but with an added "common sense" bit. You can either A) pay the yearly fee, which gets you fire service AND a yearly inspection of your sprinkler system, or 2) not pay the fee, but if you have a fire and they have to come put it out, they charge you a much larger fee for the service.

This seems like a much saner, and much more robust solution to the problem of how to provide a semi-voluntary-opt-in service and fund it appropriately without a tax hike.

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If his car was on fire at his house...the firefighters would have put that fire out, right?

I guess having a county wide tax suported fire department is too socialist, huh?

Why would they,it is not their jurisdiction.

People want to get services and not pay for them...why should the city pay to protect those outside it?

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Personally I think this is pretty horrible. It's their job to put out fires and they did nothing to help this family save their home.

Fine or no fine, I don't see how they could just let it burn down, especially with those animals inside.

If they could have put out the fire they should have.

That said...why were these morons burning trash in the first place?

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My local fire department has a similar policy, but with an added "common sense" bit. You can either A) pay the yearly fee, which gets you fire service AND a yearly inspection of your sprinkler system, or 2) not pay the fee, but if you have a fire and they have to come put it out, they charge you a much larger fee for the service.

This seems like a much saner, and much more robust solution to the problem of how to provide a semi-voluntary-opt-in service and fund it appropriately without a tax hike.

Exactly. And this option (2) is no different from a lot of other rural areas.

Refusing to put out a fire because someone didn't pay a service is horrific. Mean. Stupid. And hopefully, criminally liable.

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This is all well and good until the "check to see if you're on the list" system breaks down and innocent people lose their lives.

I would agree in the instance of such a policy within a city or county that only by consciously opting out should you be uncovered.

That is not the situation in this case.

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I guess I am confused then. I never thought you had to be in anyone's jurisdiction (or even a resident) if your car catches on fire.

You would expect Texas to put out Oklahoma's fires? (Though many jurisdictions have cooperative agreements)

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This is all well and good until the "check to see if you're on the list" system breaks down and innocent people lose their lives.

I don't think you understand what the words "rural area of Tennessee" means in the context of a small vs. large government debate. There's really just not much money in rural TN to support anything but small government.

That being said, the system there is set up stupidly. Firefighting is one of those services that should transcend the "are you on the list" question. At first I was going to compare it to city trash pick up, and wonder if you would expect your trash to be picked up if you didn't pay the fee, but I think there is enough of a difference in at least the perception of the different services that you have to be much more intelligent about how you handle them.

Cliffs:

The man in the story is stupid for not paying for optional firefighting service and expecting to receive it anyway.

The city is stupid for having a policy that doesn't have a fallback (even if it's much more expensive to the user) position that still allows for the delivery of this hot-button service.

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*raises hand*

This isn't all that different from an insurance company refusing to pay to rebuild a house if you haven't bought the insurance. Are they evil, too? Or should you know that when you own a house, you probably should buy insurance, just like if you own a house in an area which requires you to pay $75 for firefighters, you probably should pay the $75?

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You would expect Texas to put out Oklahoma's fires? (Though many jurisdictions have cooperative agreements)

I expect the local fire department to put out a car on fire with out of state tags. That way, the fire doesn't spread (at the very least).

Is that so hard to understand? Now, if my out of state tags cause me to get billed for putting out the fire, so be it. But atleast put out the damn fire. Otherwise, you are endangering everyone else who is a resident.

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