Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, StillUnknown said: Rondae Hollis-Jefferson signed with the Raptors. Thought he might be a fit here since we need wing depth and somebody to play defense. Its really looking like we're going to go into the year with Ian Mahinmi as our best defensive player I hope it doesn't come to actually having to play Mahinmi. I think Jemerrio Jones might be our best defensive player now. He is a pure specialist who is really good on that side but seems to have no offensive game. This was an interesting video of clips from him playing defense for the Lakers last season: He's a junk yard dog with a very unique skill set. Hopefully he develops enough of a shot that we can actually play him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 This is the state of our roster, from Reddit: Washington Wizards Coach: Scott Brooks Picks: 9 Rui Hachimura | 42 Admiral Schofield UFA: Trevor Ariza (SAC) | Sam Dekker | Jeff Green (UTA) | Jabari Parker | Bobby Portis (NYK) | Chasson Randle | Devin Robinson S&T: Tomas Satoransky (CHI) Trades: Dwight Howard (MEM) Waived: Jonathon Simmons PG SG SF PF C John Wall Bradley Beal CJ Miles (MEM) Davis Bertans (SAS) Thomas Bryant Ish Smith (DET) Isaac Bonga (LAL) Troy Brown Jr Rui Hachimura (R) Ian Mahinmi Isaiah Thomas (DEN) Jordan McRae Jemerrio Jones (LAL) Moritz Wagner (LAL) Tarik Phillip (R) Garrison Matthews (R) Armoni Brooks (R) Justin Robinson (R) Corey Davis (R) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 For some reason Schofield isn't on that depth chart. I'll be interested to see who ends up on the GoGo. By my count, there are 10 players competing for the final five open roster spots, plus the two two-way deals. I want to see more of Pasecniks too. He looked better than expected and I'd rather have him in the organization than Mahinmi at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 How much could we have got for Otto if we held him until the summer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearrock Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 13 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: This is the state of our roster, from Reddit: Washington Wizards Coach: Scott Brooks Picks: 9 Rui Hachimura | 42 Admiral Schofield UFA: Trevor Ariza (SAC) | Sam Dekker | Jeff Green (UTA) | Jabari Parker | Bobby Portis (NYK) | Chasson Randle | Devin Robinson S&T: Tomas Satoransky (CHI) Trades: Dwight Howard (MEM) Waived: Jonathon Simmons PG SG SF PF C John Wall Bradley Beal CJ Miles (MEM) Davis Bertans (SAS) Thomas Bryant Ish Smith (DET) Isaac Bonga (LAL) Troy Brown Jr Rui Hachimura (R) Ian Mahinmi Isaiah Thomas (DEN) Jordan McRae Jemerrio Jones (LAL) Moritz Wagner (LAL) Tarik Phillip (R) Garrison Matthews (R) Armoni Brooks (R) Justin Robinson (R) Corey Davis (R) Are we really gonna play Miles and Bertans over Brown and Hachimura? Why not take advantage of a lost season and see what we have in our young players? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) We have 1 player currently capable of getting his own shot or creating a shot for others. Not counting IT until he shows he can actually do it. Brooks is actually going to have to coach smh Beal is gonna be triple teamed everytime he touches the ball Edited July 8, 2019 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBash Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Parker never fit the new direction they were heading in so it doesn’t surprise me he isn’t coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, StillUnknown said: How much could we have got for Otto if we held him until the summer? More than a salary dump, I'm willing to bet. I think we got out of paying luxury tax last season. Not sure about that, but I think we did. That would be the only good thing about dealing Otto when we did. If we avoid paying it again this year (which we should), then we won't have to pay repeater tax again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, bearrock said: Are we really gonna play Miles and Bertans over Brown and Hachimura? Why not take advantage of a lost season and see what we have in our young players? Probably not. Miles and Bertans are career back ups. Neither of them can handle more than 20 MPG. If either start, it's probably to fix floor spacing for the line ups, but they wouldn't play starter's minutes. Miles is at the point in his career where he might be down to the 16-18 MPG mark. I would imagine Troy will start. He's still got some rough edges, but he looks like he's assertive and confident enough to start now. And the spacing around him would be good enough to cope with his lack of outside shooting on offense. I'm not Hachimura will be ready to start for a while though. I think we're going to need to be patient with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: We have 1 player currently capable of getting his own shot or creating a shot for others. Not counting IT until he shows he can actually do it. Brooks is actually going to have to coach smh Beal is gonna be triple teamed everytime he touches the ball When I look at the likely rotation: 1s - Thomas, Beal, Brown, Bertans, Bryant 2s - Ish, McRae, Miles, Hachimura, Wagner Plus we have another deadeye shooter in Schofield, and another dribble-pass-shoot guy in Robinson in the mix. I don't think half court offense will be a problem at all. Beal--all around offensive player, IT--creative scorer with an off ball game, Ish--playmaker, Troy--playmaker, McRae--creative scorer. There are at least three dribble-pass-shoot players in each of those line ups, and we can get to three good three ball shooters with some changes. The spacing will probably be pretty good, and we have the inside scorers who can attack on straight line drives. I think we could have an approach of Beal leading one line, and Brown leading the second line that could work pretty well. Puts shooters and secondary ball handlers around both of them, and helps facilitate Brown's development. It's the defense that is going to be a mess. There is a likelihood they will be the worst defensive team in the league. The back court is tiny and there isn't much defensive talent. They can't run a switch scheme with a group of 6' and under PGs, which is what our scheme has been. They're going to be ole-ing dudes straight to weak rim protectors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I almost fell out of my chair. This was too perfect... 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Colossal waste in not using Parker to make a trade to get assets prior to his team option getting declined. I would love to know why it wasn’t used or if there is a reason beyond incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, Hersh said: Colossal waste in not using Parker to make a trade to get assets prior to his team option getting declined. I would love to know why it wasn’t used or if there is a reason beyond incompetence Do you mean we should have picked up his option and then tried to trade after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 54 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Do you mean we should have picked up his option and then tried to trade after? Could he have not been traded then the team that acquired him not pick up the option? That's what I'm unsure about cause I've seen guys with non-guaranteed contracts traded then released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) If our front office was graded on a color chart right now, id move them out of incompetent. The terror threat has been officially lowered in my book. My only gripe this offseason is how they are handling Beal, which is likely being dictated by Ted. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we were serious about a rebuild wed be taking offers for him. If you can't trade your best player for assets and being pressed to get out of the luxury tax, this offseason is almost the best one can hope for, or at least expect from a front office that's not laughing stock. Shep acting like he wants to use the Go-Go as a secret weapon of mass destruction. Put a ring on his finger already, Ted. Edited July 8, 2019 by Renegade7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I don't know, maybe we are listening to offers for Beal but aren't getting anything good enough? I mean I'm not just gonna give him away for a draft pick and a couple young guys, its gonna take a Paul George type haul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hersh said: Could he have not been traded then the team that acquired him not pick up the option? That's what I'm unsure about cause I've seen guys with non-guaranteed contracts traded then released. Unless Porter has something special written into his contract, yes, but at $20 million for one year, Parker has very little value in a trade (and probably none). His total deal in Atlanta is $13 million for 2 years so they are paying him less money over 2 years than the option over 1. Plus, the Hawks aren't really looking to compete this year so they definitely aren't giving up a future pick to acquire Parker at $20 million for one year. (They're probably hoping Parker breaks out, and they can trade him or him breaking out somehow accelerates their time frame. One of the keys for the Hawks is it is a reasonable deal, and they have 2 years of control. If he does really well, they have him for another year pretty cheaply, which means he has value to another a team, and would possibly be interested in an extension/re-negotiation. With one year left on a deal, even if he's doing well, he has little value and the team with him has some control.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I don't know, maybe we are listening to offers for Beal but aren't getting anything good enough? I mean I'm not just gonna give him away for a draft pick and a couple young guys, its gonna take a Paul George type haul. I can't expect a PG type haul because PG is better and the Clippers were desperate. That was a historical intentional overkill trade, offer they couldn't refuse, because they wouldn't get Kawhi if OKC turned them down. I'm tempering my expectations for something like that, we didn't decline the Clippers offer we just straight up told them "no" when they called from reports, sticking to our no trade guns. If the PG trade is any indication of what the clippers were trying to yell over the phone while were hanging up,there's no doubt in my mind Ted nixed it with Shep sitting there ready to cry. I'm not sure what we could get better then what the Clippers wanted to offer, why i think they are serious they don't want to trade him. Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Hersh said: Could he have not been traded then the team that acquired him not pick up the option? That's what I'm unsure about cause I've seen guys with non-guaranteed contracts traded then released. I'm not sure about that either, but I think the deadline to pick up his option was June 30th. So figure he would have had to be moved before the free agency period. One of the challenges to trading him would have been his high cap number. It would have been difficult to salary match for teams over the cap. We would have had to take back a lot of salary most likely, there wouldn't be a ton of motivation for a team with lots of cap space to trade for him. They could just sign him when we waived him without giving anything up. His market would have been teams without cap space that have the salaries to match that they wouldn't want and that we would want. Salaries that we would have to be OK approaching the tax line with. Better to just decline the option and use the cap relief ourselves IMO. Judging from how long it took him to sign with Atlanta, he didn't have too big of a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: I can't expect a PG type haul because PG is better and the Clippers were desperate. That was a historical intentional overkill trade, offer they couldn't refuse, because they wouldn't get Kawhi if OKC turned them down. I'm tempering my expectations for something like that, we didn't decline the Clippers offer we just straight up told them "no" when they called from reports, sticking to our no trade guns. If the PG trade is any indication of what the clippers were trying to yell over the phone while were hanging up,there's no doubt in my mind Ted nixed it with Shep sitting there ready to cry. I'm not sure what we could get better then what the Clippers wanted to offer, why i think they are serious they don't want to trade him. Just my opinion though. Everything I read said they called the Wizards to inquire about Beal and the team said they were not interested in trading him, same thing with the other teams interested that called them. So it never reached a point where they pitched any offers, it was squashed from the get go. They also inquired prior to finding out that KL wanted PG there or he wasn't going there. No shade on Beal, but he would not have fetched the same offer/picks that LA gave up to the OKC Thunder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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@DCGoldPants Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Still waiting @bravesonawarpath to update the title here. Maybe "Washington Wizards Official Thread: Nuclear Winter ❄" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Officiating has been pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Still waiting @bravesonawarpath to update the title here. Maybe "Washington Wizards Official Thread: Nuclear Winter ❄" This feels more like the first day of Spring, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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