Destino Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 The fans on the radio and here on extremeskins have settled into a pattern. When the redskins win we are an amazing team and no one can stop us. We are flying high baby! GO REDSKINS! People are smiling at work on Monday, we see a few more Redskins jerseys around town, a few more flags on cars, and you can actually feel the positive vibes. I swear I’ve even heard HTTR whistled in office building lobbies. Then we lose to the Rams. Suddenly we all think that we know the truth like Agent Mulder came by for coffee during the game and told us everything we’ve been lead to believe was a lie. It was all an elaborate scheme including papa john’s commercials engineered to convince us that everything was great while the dark forces massed around us. We reveal our new found knowledge by proclaiming nothing has changed and that it’s time to burn it all down and do it right. Right being whatever each rage and/or alcohol fueled fan with no football experience can think of while banging out a post or waiting on hold for the local radio station to give them 15 second of air time. This would be an amusing, maybe even charming, aspect of the local fan base if it wasn’t for one horrifying reality… Dan Snyder is a fan. He may not be on here typing away at how the sky is on fire and the sea will surely be blood red in the morning but his behavior has followed the same pattern. Dan, I feel your pan. I went to the gym today and went way over board trying to rid myself of the rage, tomorrow will hurt. We’ve tried everything. We’ve tried different coaches; the proven winner, the super college coach, and even a bumbling idiot. Nothing has worked! We’ve drafted players, traded for players, over paid for players, and I’m sure somewhere Snyder is attempting to grow some in a top secret lab. Production on the field however hasn’t been great… or good… ok fine it’s been mostly bad. So what now? Time to try something new right? The answer I think is, well, sort of. You see the problem is we keep changing the blueprints and never finish construction. We go from newer forward thinking offenses to old school approaches like we did when we graduated from Norv to Schottenheimer to Spurrier to Gibbs to… whatever the hell Zorn was. We go from power blocking to zone blocking. We go from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Each change brings with it new excitement and the need to win now. The win now approach is like taking a short cut in a horror movie. The thing is “win next year” doesn’t sell tickets. It’s time to be patient, consistent, and confident. The team is in good hands. We have a proven head coach grooming his son for his turn at the head of the table. We have a GM with a blood line to the team that just feels right. We have a proven QB that spent his entire career being underappreciated in a town he elevated tremendously. Together given time by the fans (including the one owning the team) these guys can deliver a winner. They can build a team that fits the system and once they’ve done this we can be good for a long time. Give them time, keep the systems mostly in place, and have enough confidence in them so that they don’t have to be looking over their shoulders all the time. (maybe not Haslett… I’m not sold on that dude) I never said I wasn’t a fan like the rest of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbee99 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Lies......According to Agent Mulder..."The truth is out there"......God I hate this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Until we get a couple drafts under our belt we wont be able to fit the systems that we are trying to install. Even at that we need to have a lot of picks, and the right picks. And Im not completely confident that this FO can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 I think the "we just haven't had patience" line gets repeated a lot as some kind of truism, but I don't really buy it. The Spurrier plan wasn't working, the Gibbs plan wasn't working, the Vinny/Zorn plan wasn't working. The worse thing would have been to give any of them another year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyLeeGhostHunter Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Decent point. We are our own worst enemy. We have always wanted a winner NOW and have been spoiled into believing as much. We really need to take a step back. The Jets and Miami sucked Jupiters balls a few years ago. Now, they're competitive and put forth at least a solid effort. Both could be in the playoffs for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 The Redskins are 140-164 in my lifetime. Of the seasons that I followed, the margin is much less considering those numbers include 91 and 92. When your whole sporting life is dominated by your favorite team losing, it's easy to fall into a negative mindset. I'm truly happy for you Destino that you got to experience that 91 season as I was ****ting in diapers. I'm not ready to hang up the hat just yet on this season, but like I said, it seems that the Redskins are a broken record. The rams are 4-31 in the last two seasons and this season. 2 of those wins were against the Redskins... patience only goes so far Des... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostx08 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Wherever the wind blows really. This week some of the sentiments is McNabb sucks and we should have never wasted draft picks on him...last week it was McNabb looked great and all he needs is a running game Last week it was give the 3-4 defense some time and we may have to think long term with the defense. This week it's switch back to the 4-3 Last week it was we don't need VJax because our receivers are fine....now our receivers don't look fine at all and we need a top receiver Last week it was maybe Heyer may not be so bad for one week seeing as we're playing the rams. The guys sucks the whole game and kills key drives and everyone realizes again how important a competent LT like Trent Williams is What will it be next week and the weeks after? Well...no one expects us to win the next 3 games. I actually think those games are winnable if we get our act together..and I believe McNabb and Shanny get it done. Others don't seem to think so so I'll have nothing much to say until Week 7. Today's game has proven that no game is guaranteed in the NFL And in the next couple of years...we will hopefully build enough solid weapons on offense and a running game for McNabb to have success. Just about every great QB has that much....it's sad that when it comes to McNabb people have a "he doesn't need it" approach for the most part. Overall...we'll see how the Shanny/McNabb era unfolds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Hell yeah man! I'm glad I still have my youth though because it may be a while before we are a serious contender again. I wish though just for once that we could spend 2 maybe 3 years drafting solid, and developing guys that would turn us into a contender 5 years down the road. Like what KC is doing. And Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 27, 2010 Author Share Posted September 27, 2010 I think the "we just haven't had patience" line gets repeated a lot as some kind of truism, but I don't really buy it. The Spurrier plan wasn't working, the Gibbs plan wasn't working, the Vinny/Zorn plan wasn't working. The worse thing would have been to give any of them another year or two. The key to "give it time" is having the right people in place. Any plan that included Vinny doesn't work. His trades, along with Gibbs, were horrible. But it isn't Gibbs or Zorn either. We could have found coaches that had similar philosophies and comptable systems. Just look at how the 3-4 switch is working out for an obvious example of change for the sake if change. We have to have an identity at the top that not only dictates the types if players we hire but the coaches as well. Every time we change coaches we end up with a roster full of players that don't fit like Andre Carter is now. That had to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan3880 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Excellent post Destino. I think people are going way too overboard 3 weeks into shannahan/allens first season in dc. Doubting the FO after three games is a tad premature especially since the previous left it such a mess in the first place. Give the new group in charge time and understanding we will make it but you have to be a little more relaxed about the journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishtw Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Agree that this is a work in progress and changing Head Coaches every 18 months isnt helping but I reserve the right to ***** and complain while waiting. After all every time we lose to the winless Rams, Lions, Titians, Chiefs, every time the Redskins highlight on SportsCenter is Swinging Gate and every time we sign an ex pro-bowler on the wrong side of his peak years I'm the one to as to answer the snide comments when I stop to buy a soda at 7-11 wearing my Riggo jersey or stop at a light with my Redskins license plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Good post, Des, I agree. In the big picture, most of the guys aren't even Shany's guys, not to mention they had very few draft picks to work with in terms of starting to build something. It's definitely going to take a few years for them to build some consistency and a real identity. There are clearly still holes all over this roster, you can't do everything in one offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loren Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 No. No. No. I'm sorry. I'm sick of being patient. I'm sick of saying "Let's see how it goes." It's been almost 2 decades since this team was relevant. In that time we've had one home playoff game, won one division title, gone to the playoffs three times (twice as the sixth seed), won two playoff games. And even with all that, maybe I would have been willing to try and be patient for another rebuild (quick aside: rebuilding what exactly?) But then they brought in a coach and a QB who won't be here in 5 years. That doesn't sound like rebuilding to me. They continue to get rid of draft picks and acquire aging past their prime veterans. Hmmm.......not rebuilding moves. I'm sick of coaches who just HAVE to install their system their way, whether it fits our talent or not. Everyone can see this roster is not built for a 3-4, but Jim Haslett is going to install one anyway, because that's the way HE has to have it. And what's the result? It looks like we're going to have a crappy defense for the foreseeable future. GREAT! By the time this team has a chance of approaching 8-8, the QB and coach we brought in will be GONE, and we'll be starting from ground zero, and people will be saying "I wouldn't expect playoffs, you should be happy if this team is 7-9 or 8-8" for the umpteenth time. I hate cheering for constant incompetence week after week after season after season. Yeah, after 18 crappy seasons, I want this team to win NOW, and I'm PISSED that they STILL look like the same poorly coached, ill-prepared outfit they have since before my balls dropped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floodzone004 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 No. No. No.I'm sorry. I'm sick of being patient. I'm sick of saying "Let's see how it goes." It's been almost 2 decades since this team was relevant. In that time we've had one home playoff game, won one division title, gone to the playoffs three times (twice as the sixth seed), won two playoff games. And even with all that, maybe I would have been willing to try and be patient for another rebuild (quick aside: rebuilding what exactly?) But then they brought in a coach and a QB who won't be here in 5 years. That doesn't sound like rebuilding to me. They continue to get rid of draft picks and acquire aging past their prime veterans. Hmmm.......not rebuilding moves. I'm sick of coaches who just HAVE to install their system their way, whether it fits our talent or not. Everyone can see this roster is not built for a 3-4, but Jim Haslett is going to install one anyway, because that's the way HE has to have it. And what's the result? It looks like we're going to have a crappy defense for the foreseeable future. GREAT! By the time this team has a chance of approaching 8-8, the QB and coach we brought in will be GONE, and we'll be starting from ground zero, and people will be saying "I wouldn't expect playoffs, you should be happy if this team is 7-9 or 8-8" for the umpteenth time. I hate cheering for constant incompetence week after week after season after season. Yeah, after 18 crappy seasons, I want this team to win NOW, and I'm PISSED that they STILL look like the same poorly coached, ill-prepared outfit they have since before my balls dropped! Whoa whoa Captain Irrational. You sound like a 9 year old girl upset with her parents because they can't get her a pretty pony. You are more than welcome to go cheer for another team while we build to compete, we'll definitely welcome you back with open arms. In the meantime, real fans are gonna support the team and use the patience you clearly do not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 I agree that we need to let Allen and Shanahan execute their vision. I'm just afraid that, because this team is so old and we didn't really add a ton of youth, that by the time we do start bringing in quality youth that our current old players who actually are good(McNabb, Moss, Fletcher)will be near retirement stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loren Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Whoa whoa Captain Irrational. You sound like a 9 year old girl upset with her parents because they can't get her a pretty pony. You are more than welcome to go cheer for another team while we build to compete, we'll definitely welcome you back with open arms. In the meantime, real fans are gonna support the team and use the patience you clearly do not have. Don't be an ass. I'm as big a Redskins fan as anyone, and will always be. What did I say that was irrational? The Redskins haven't been relevant in 18 years! A generation of fans is growing up without having seen the Redskins go to the playoffs two years in a row. And all the time we hear "Be patient, be patient." I'm saying, I'm sick of being patient, I'm sick of every coach coming in and changing things up to ensure we'll have to wait another 2-3 years before we even have any hope of competing. After 18 years, is it really irrational to want your favorite team to at least start showing tangible signs of competence? You'll also notice that while you're accusing me of being immature, my post didn't insult anyone. I read the OP's post, which I disagree with, and posted the reasons I disagree with it along with my feelings about the team. But there was no name calling, and above all, I didn't accuse anyone of not being a real fan, which is one of the more illogical things you can say to someone who bothers to be up at 2 a.m. posting on a team's messageboard. Think I should continue to be patient? Read my post and tell me why. Don't post an asinine response that adds nothing constructive to the debate but just calls me names. I'm an extremely supportive fan. I watch every game and live and die with every snap, and I will until the day I die. Saying, after almost two decades of incompetence, that I'm fed up and not satisfied with being patient anymore doesn't change that. I have plenty of patience, but its getting used up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Nothing is wrong with the Redskins. We could have won last week, but we didn't. The Rams outcoached and out played the Redskins on the field yesterday. They coached a good game and played a good game. This doesn't mean anything. We're just a measly three games into the season and tied for second place in the NFC EAST. People just need to relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Great post. I hope everyone takes the time to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loren Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Nothing is wrong with the Redskins. We could have won last week, but we didn't. The Rams outcoached and out played the Redskins on the field yesterday. They coached a good game and played a good game. This doesn't mean anything. We're just a measly three games into the season and tied for second place in the NFC EAST. People just need to relax. You don't think the fact that the Redskins got outcoached and outplayed is a big deal? This is a team that outplayed one team last year, that outcoached one team last year. The Redskins could have won lots of weeks last year, but didn't. It means a lot. You don't think there's plenty wrong with the Redskins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 OP is obviously correct, team sucks fire the fat old **** parasites that Snyder has collected over the years and let Shanahan build whatever he wants from scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loren Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Also, Shanahan is 58....how much longer do we expect him to be here running things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeb Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 If only this team put as much effort into playing this game as I do watching it. (sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 I just don't understand McNabb. I would've rather gone through this season with a scrub not named Jason Campbell. Maybe they could've lit a spark, probably not, but we wouldn't be giving away picks and I wouldn't be getting my hopes up. The whole McNabb trade made me think we were going to try and go for it overnight. That seems to be failing so I should be patient? Why can't the Franchise ever show patience? Why can't they wait to draft a good QB instead of throwing away draft picks on other teams used up franchise QB's? I'm just tired of being sold as a contender every year when fact is we rarely are. We're an old washed up team that refuses to get young. We're consistently old and trying to go for broke every year. BLAH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 3-4 more years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travdaskin Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 I understand the patience logic but man we haven't won anything major since I was born which is just tragic. Us fans deserve better than this. We care more about the product on the field than the players themselves do which is really just sad. I have faith but it is really hard to enjoy being a Redskin fan these days. They have taken years off of our lives! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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