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shizzah

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he probably saved countless yards with his precision tackling. I can't stand him in coverage but before we place the entire blame on him (as much as I want to) how many times did he save a possibly larger gain with good tackle.

We didn't have many of those. Hopefully Kareem will provide the athleticism in addition to the tackling.

Where does the problem lie though? Why was Reed forced to make these tackles? I didn't tape the game so I don't have the answers.

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He saved a TD by tackling Foster one on one in the open field after Foster found a nice hole and a couple of our guys missed him. I forgot exactly when it happened, but the Texans were in a goal line situation I believe. It was just Doughty between Foster and the end zone and Doughty won.

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I think the bigger liability is Buchannon.. He blew 2 of the biggest plays of the game, during their game tieing 4th quarter drive. One on 3rd and 10 that went for like 30 yards and the other on 4th and 10 that went for the 40+ yard TD to Johnson.. Both times he got caught up either looking at the QB or just loosing his mind, and releasing the WR both times, when there was no other recievers on that side of the field to worry about.. The first left (i think it was also AJ) wide open over the middle, and the second one left him one of one with Doughty.. But for a 9 year vet to get burned that bad, at that time of the game, is reason to be cut imo..

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I think the bigger liability is Buchannon.. He blew 2 of the biggest plays of the game, during their game tieing 4th quarter drive. One on 3rd and 10 that went for like 30 yards and the other on 4th and 10 that went for the 40+ yard TD to Johnson.. Both times he got caught up either looking at the QB or just loosing his mind, and releasing the WR both times, when there was no other recievers on that side of the field to worry about.. The first left (i think it was also AJ) wide open over the middle, and the second one left him one of one with Doughty.. But for a 9 year vet to get burned that bad, at that time of the game, is reason to be cut imo..

That's actually a really good point. RD is catching all the heat on the AJ TD (from some, not all), but buchanon was just as at fault on that play, and i'm not certain about the other play you referenced, i'll have to go back an look at that if I can find it somewhere. Unfortuantely if we cut him as you suggest that only leaves us with BW and KB. Both of those guys are what, only in their 2nd year I think, and i'm not sure they would bring as much to the table as PB :whoknows:

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The AJ touchdown was the coaches' and PB's fault. 4th and 10 from the opposite side of the field, only one receiver in the end zone and one defender? PB let up at the 10 yard line to watch the play. Maybe he was out of breath? As much as I despised Blache, I could have pictured LL positioned thirty yards back and LF running 50 yards downfield to cover underneath. That wouldn't have been a TD with the previous D.

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I dont really get all of the hate on Doughty. He's a decent backup strong safety playing out of his natural position due to an injury to our starting FS. He got beat on a jump ball by the best wide receiver in the game. His help stopped covering in mid play, so he was left alone in a one on one situation. Frankly, the best wide receiver is going to beat a decent backup saftey one on one more times than not. That's why AJ is considered one of the best in the league and starts every game while Reed is a backup. The fact that it was a one on one was poor coaching/play calling or poor playing by Buchanon for letting off in the middle of the play.

/knew it was over when I saw the ball go up with Doughty and Johnson in the corner alone

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General Stonewall Taylor said it right, about three posts up.

He is not a terrible back-up for SS. In fact, he's a pretty damned good back-up for SS. Except he's playing FS.

The fact that our coaches didn't have Carlos or DeAngelo on Johnson on 4th and game shows you that we still aren't there as far as a top-flight, mistake free, clutch situation coaching staff..

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Skinzfever2010

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Reed has been playing bad since he took over for Kareem during the Ravens preseason game. Allot of his mistakes aren't always due to his perceived lack of athleticism. He is making fundamental mental errors like biting on simple play actions in the red zone which resulted in Miles Austin's touchdown. The Cowboys offense has only scored two touchdowns so far this season. Coach Williams & Coach Haslett believed/believe in Reed Doughty. I did and still do but the kid can't start. I hope the injury bug stays away from us the rest of the year. We have no depth in our secondary.

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How do we know Buchanon wasnt in a zone?

I guess it's possible, but that leaves RD covering their #1 WR one on one? Terrible coaching error if so.. And, as I said, the play had developed and there was no running back or check down reciever on the that side of the field, once AJ went by.. A 9 year vet should of recognized that, and helped out our "makeshift" FS who was gonna be one on one.. I guess that's alot to ask of a D that's in transition, with backups, in the 2nd game of the season.. But on 4th and game (as someone said) mistakes like those are very hard to swallow.. But I agree TheRealtor, we cant cut the guy with the lack of depth we currently have. It sounded good though.. :ols:

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I guess it's possible, but that leaves RD covering their #1 WR one on one? Terrible coaching error if so.. And, as I said, the play had developed and there was no running back or check down reciever on the that side of the field, once AJ went by.. A 9 year vet should of recognized that, and helped out our "makeshift" FS who was gonna be one on one.. I guess that's alot to ask of a D that's in transition, with backups, in the 2nd game of the season.. But on 4th and game (as someone said) mistakes like those are very hard to swallow.. But I agree TheRealtor, we cant cut the guy with the lack of depth we currently have. It sounded good though.. :ols:

Thats the only reason I have come down so hard on Mr.Doughty this week. He has been nothing but solid while playing SS here the last two years. However, he is very familiar with the FS position as well. He played both FS & SS in College. He was drafted as a backup FS in 2006. 4rth & desperation and you know where the ball is going, you have been the target for opposing QB's since Kareem Moore went down, you almost cost us the Dallas game. Please just find a way to make the play. I don't care that half of our fan base thinks your a good guy and your un-athletic just make the damn play.

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You can't blame Doughty, or really anyone else on this defense if they don't make a play on a jump ball against Andre Johnson 1v1.

I blame 1. Haslett and 2. Buchanon. Doughty is a solid tackler but there should be no way that he is the only player on the best WR in football on an obvious passing down. NO way.

I would be hard pressed to hate on even DHall or Rogers for not making a play there, so I'm sure as hell not going to hate on Reed.

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Doughty worst player ever even at strong safety

ah, and just when i was getting ready to think skins fans were rational again.....

been said already, but why so many fans were mad at doughty is nuts....buchanon effed that play up. doughty was the one who was IN POSITION. he was overmatched, but anyone would be on a jump ball to johnson.

the hate for doughty is mind boggling.

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ah, and just when i was getting ready to think skins fans were rational again.....

been said already, but why so many fans were mad at doughty is nuts....buchanon effed that play up. doughty was the one who was IN POSITION. he was overmatched, but anyone would be on a jump ball to johnson.

the hate for doughty is mind boggling.

why? he has been playing terrible all year. The last play is the most glaring.

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he probably saved countless yards with his precision tackling. I can't stand him in coverage but before we place the entire blame on him (as much as I want to) how many times did he save a possibly larger gain with good tackle.

We didn't have many of those. Hopefully Kareem will provide the athleticism in addition to the tackling.

Where does the problem lie though? Why was Reed forced to make these tackles? I didn't tape the game so I don't have the answers.

You can't blame him for that catch by AJ. AJ is taller and stronger than him and a better all around player. Reed was right there, AJ just went up and got the ball over him. I think this is what DH is talking about this week. Why in that spot was he not on AJ anywhere he went! Not saying he would have stoped it either but I agree with DH. Everyone knew who that pass was going to, we should have had our best cover corner on AJ.

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why? he has been playing terrible all year. The last play is the most glaring.

Really? The guy may be a bit to slow to play free safety in the NFL, but he's always there to make the tackle and he's REALLY good at open field tackling.

He's a very solid strong safety. You might remember that he replaced Horton as the starter last season. He is the clearly the second best strong safety on the team.

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Really? The guy may be a bit to slow to play free safety in the NFL, but he's always there to make the tackle and he's REALLY good at open field tackling.

He's a very solid strong safety. You might remember that he replaced Horton as the starter last season. He is the clearly the second best strong safety on the team.

I never said that Reed wasn't solid. If you go back and read my posts you will see that I acknowledged his ability. I could care less about least season or the season before that. We were 4-12 last season. Reed has been terrible filling in for Kareem Moore thus far. I'm glad he is returning to the bench.

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