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Ok... I've got to be honest, I'm a bit disheartened by the fact that very little crow has been admittedly eaten after our game against Houston.

You see, after the win against Dallas, we had a lot of posters here absolutely crushing our WR corps - some going so far as to label them the worst WR corps in the league - specifically Galloway with Armstrong trailing him a bit in the bash-department. Roydell Williams was also targeted by a few posters. Same goes for Fred Davis.

Well, Galloway has owned a lot of people with his performance against Houston... and don't just look at his stats (3 catches, 88 yards), remember Mcnabb overthrowing him when he had beat (nay, embarrassed) his CB and the Safety deep by a wide margin for what should've been an easy TD. THAT, my friends, is a number two WR.

Both Roydell Williams (34 yards) and Anthony Armstrong (47 yards) showed up as well. We all saw the play to Fred Davis that should've been a TD.

After all of this though, perhaps the biggest meal of delicious crow awaiting to be consumed is with regard to Sellers. Do I have to even explain here?

Well, I think it's safe to say that we do have WRs (though the jury is still out on just how good they are) and that Sellers isn't totally useless, lol.

So who is willing to be first to step up to the plate and admit to being owned?

I will with regards to Sellers. I was totally fed up with him and thought that he was done after the game against Dallas. He had an awful year last year in my mind and the game against Dallas just sealed it. Kudos to the coaching staff for giving him another chance and knowing full well that Houston would be ignoring him on passing downs after that performance. So I eat some crow with pleasure there.

As for the WR corps... I along with those who defended them against the onslaught last week shall be serving the crow for dinner tonight. ;) (You can search my posts last week to see my feelings about the WRs as a whole. I wasn't worried at all and felt we have some real quality there. I specifically felt that Roydell Williams was about to have a big game judging by the way he played in the 2nd half against Dallas even though he didn't catch any balls. I think that Santana Moss is going to have a field day against the Rams now that they'll be keeping a close eye on Galloway deep.)

**Edit** Forgot about the "dump Landry" crowd which was massive this offseason. The Tris and Skinsfan4life83 brought this up in an attempt to justly serve the crow to others who may feel forgotten and hungry :pfft: :

Crow needs to be served to the people who said Trade Landry.
I was a passive advocate of trading Landry. As bulldog said in another thread, Cerrato and Blache nearly ruined his tenure here, and effectively convinced me that he was a replacement level player.

Well now he is playing SS, and he is playing at an extremely high (dare I say All Pro) level. I knew he was talented. I did not know he was this talented.

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Let's review the facts.

Fact 1) Houston started 2 guys at CB with little experience. (one is a rookie, the other is a 2nd year player)

Fact 2) Houston's secondary got shredded the week before to the tune of 433 yards and 3 TDs by Manning.

Let's get a few more games in before we jump the gun either way.

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Let's review the facts.

Fact 1) Houston started 2 guys at CB with little experience. (one is a rookie, the other is a 2nd year player)

Fact 2) Houston's secondary got shredded the week before to the tune of 433 yards and 3 TDs by Manning.

Let's get a few more games in before we jump the gun either way.

Manning shredding a secondary isn't proof of anything concerning that secondary other than they went up against Peyton Manning lol...

But I do agree with Submitted in the fact that last week a LOT of ESers would have claimed that our current batch of WRs outside of Moss would never be able to do anything worthwhile against any secondary. I don't remember reading too many bashers also claiming that while the WR unit is the "worst in the league", they will still do well against Houston. In fact half the people bashing Galloway and Williams wanted them cut from the team lol...they weren't saying "Well, at least they get to go up against Houston this week".

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I'm still not sold on anybody after Moss. This was Houston's secondary, let me see what they do against the Eagles or Packers. I do hope they'll continue the success they had against Houston, against every other defense too.

So you're saying you'd like to delay your crow-eating? Ok, that's fine. I just want you to understand something clearly. Crow can get spoiled pretty quickly, so it definitely tastes worse later. It's not something you want to have for leftovers. ;)

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Let's review the facts.

Fact 1) Houston started 2 guys at CB with little experience. (one is a rookie, the other is a 2nd year player)

Fact 2) Houston's secondary got shredded the week before to the tune of 433 yards and 3 TDs by Manning.

Let's get a few more games in before we jump the gun either way.

They've had one terrible game and one great one.

Let's wait a few more weeks before making proclamations either way.

I will say Galloway looked much better last week than I expected.

Too early to be serving up crow just yet.

Let's see where the season takes us.

I don't think anyone can eat crow after 2 games. Players just have to be given an opportunity to make a play.

I am still a believer in D.Thomas, who can't even get on the field with the offnse. I refuse to eat crow about him right now.

Galloway hasn't done anything besides what he did at Tampa--start about eight games, and run a deep route each game he played in.

That's it. It's what we can hope for this season. Injuries will hit him in a few weeks.

I ain't eating crow yet.....

However, I will pop a sparrow in the toaster and crack open the BBQ sauce just in case....

You guys are missing the point. The fact is, there were so many posters completely writing off both our WR corps as well as Sellers. They basically stated that it was written in stone, that we absolutely need to find another WR and that Sellers is done, end of story. You see, now you all are changing and saying "well, let's wait and see". THAT'S NOT WHAT THOSE POSTERS WERE SAYING BEFORE. There was no wait and see, lol!

So eat your frigging crow while it's still fresh. :ols:

Manning shredding a secondary isn't proof of anything concerning that secondary other than they went up against Peyton Manning lol...

But I do agree with Submitted in the fact that last week a LOT of ESers would have claimed that our current batch of WRs outside of Moss would never be able to do anything worthwhile against any secondary. I don't remember reading too many bashers also claiming that while the WR unit is the "worst in the league", they will still do well against Houston. In fact half the people bashing Galloway and Williams wanted them cut from the team lol...they weren't saying "Well, at least they get to go up against Houston this week".

As usual, Califan gets it and gets it well. :)

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Manning shredding a secondary isn't proof of anything concerning that secondary other than they went up against Peyton Manning lol....

Not even remotely true. If that were so, he'd been bombing the Patriots all those years they held him in check. He doesn't throw for those types of numbers against teams with good pass defenses.

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I was a passive advocate of trading Landry. As bulldog said in another thread, Cerrato and Blache nearly ruined his tenure here, and effectively convinced me that he was a replacement level player.

Well now he is playing SS, and he is playing at an extremely high (dare I say All Pro) level. I knew he was talented. I did not know he was this talented.

It's too early to know if I will also be eating crow for advocating trading one of our TEs. Both have been effective (which I never doubted) but I have yet to see the evidence of a two TE set opening up our offense.

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I was a passive advocate of trading Landry. As bulldog said in another thread, Cerrato and Blache nearly ruined his tenure here, and effectively convinced me that he was a replacement level player.

Well now he is playing SS, and he is playing at an extremely (dare I say All Pro) level.

It's too early to know if I will also be eating crow for advocating trading one of our TEs. Both have been effective (which I never doubted) but I have yet to see the evidence of a two TE set opening up our offense.

Good call, I forgot about Landry. Lots of posters wanted him traded and off the team. Those guys should eat some crow right now as well, lol.

I definitely was a Landry critic, but I know that I always stated while, criticizing him about his lack of football knowledge causing him to always be a second too late arriving at the ball, that if he were better coached the guy could be great. People always think that Landry being so far off the ball at FS was the reason he was playing poorly, but I never thought so and still don't think so. He just wasn't studying the film and preparing mentally enough like this game requires and that's why he was always reacting after the fact.

I don't think I deserve crow there since that's exactly what has happened thus far; he's being coached better and he's finally listening and studying harder as stated during the offseason by his coaches. :)

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You guys are missing the point. The fact is, there were so many posters completely writing off both our WR corps as well as Sellers. They basically stated that it was written in stone, that we absolutely need to find another WR and that Sellers is done, end of story. You see, now you all are changing and saying "well, let's wait and see". THAT'S NOT WHAT THOSE POSTERS WERE SAYING BEFORE. There was no wait and see, lol!

So eat your frigging crow while it's still fresh. :ols:

As usual, Califan gets it and gets it well. :)

Um, the jury is still out whether or not Crow will be served.

If after the houston game you now feel confident that this WR will not turn in the same performance that they did against doll-ass than I have a car to sell you that starts 50% of the time.

In Fact the entire loss could be pinned on balls that Galloway and Sellars DROPPED! &^$#&^%$

That is why i am popping a sparrow in the toaster and waiting to see what shows up on Sunday.

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Um, the jury is still out whether or not Crow will be served.

If after the houston game you now feel confident that this WR will not turn in the same performance that they did against doll-ass than I have a car to sell you that starts 50% of the time.

In Fact the entire loss could be pinned on balls that Galloway and Sellars DROPPED! &^$#&^%$

That is why i am popping a sparrow in the toaster and waiting to see what shows up on Sunday.

And, again, the point has been missed! Please re-read both my OP and my subsequent replies in this thread. This isn't about whether or not the WR corps will do anything from here on out. This is about the fact that there were a bunch of posters claiming they were awful and couldn't do a thing, some going so far as to label them the worst in the league. How can the "worst WR corps" in the league do all of that, no matter how bad the secondary? Furthermore, Galloway in specific was butchered by a lot of people... whether or not he continues to produce is a non-issue, the fact that he did at all goes against everything they claimed!

Why is this difficult to understand?

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Not even remotely true. If that were so, he'd been bombing the Patriots all those years they held him in check. He doesn't throw for those types of numbers against teams with good pass defenses.

And you misunderstood what I said. What I DID say, was that if a secondary got shredded by Peyton Manning, it shouldn't be an indictment against that secondary or seen as proof that the secondary is trash, because Peyton Manning regularly shreds secondaries of ALL talent and skill levels. That does not mean that he does it 100% of the time, only that he is one of the very few QBs in the league that can shred pretty much any secondary out there, regardless of how good they are.

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It's too early to know if I will also be eating crow for advocating trading one of our TEs. Both have been effective (which I never doubted) but I have yet to see the evidence of a two TE set opening up our offense.

I think it was a smart move to keep both Cooley and Davis in just the fact that we can keep Cooley healthier and fresher throughout the season because we know the passing game won't suffer much (if at all) when we put Davis in for him. And defenses won't find themselves feeling they don't have to worry about the TE on a particular play because Cooley is on the sideline catching a breather. I love that our TE position is DAMN dangerous 100% of the time, and needs to be accounted for.

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