Rpredskins Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 1. The defense gave up way too many yards and way too many big plays in too short a period of time. However, the defense has also proven it can cause turnovers and sacks. At this point we have to consider it sub-par, but I believe it is the kind of defense that, while a potential weakness, is not awful to the point of derailing any playoff hopes. Which leads me to... 2. Donovan McNabb was everything we hoped for and more in that game. While better defense is needed, it is still very positive that we can get burned for 500+ yards and 30 points and still be within a FG kick of winning the game. It would have taken Jason Campbell 3 weeks to hit 426 yards passing. This was not the same offense we saw in week 1. The running game was non-existent because the passing game was so very existent. Why run it when a play action will get you 10 yards per play? I have my doubts about Portis (and the other scrubs) but stats don't tell the whole story. 3. I was more upset at the end of that game I think since attending the loss to the rams (my only trip from CA to see a game in the last 9 years) in the first year of Zorn. Not because of losing the game, but because of losing Trent Williams with what looked like a certain season-ender. It turns out he will only be out a couple weeks, if that. As a matter of fact, I found myself bargaining with karma or the football gods, accepting a loss if it meant the injury wasn't serious. We would have missed Trent Williams vs. Dallas, Philly, and NYG much more than we will miss a W vs. houston in week 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 The most obvious reason is that its a rebuilding year! We have so many players who won't be here because they don't fit the scheme or are just to old. Whats interesting to discuss is the fact that the NFC East looks wide open. We would have been in the best position had we pulled a win out yesterday. However, as the year progresses we need to keep the rebuilding mentality. Its going to take a season and at least two off-seasosns to clean up the mess that Coach inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Agreed. No need to panic. We are rebuiling have two new systems and players that aren't built for it. We are going to put the pieces in place the right way for a change and it will take a few years. I'm good, because anything we do this year is gravy. We are still in great shape because the East looks like it can be ours if we just play consitantly at the best snippets we have seen. It will take time, I think we will be better at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[S.S.F. | Nero] Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Agreed on the rebuilding angle..... but the thing is.... McNabb is 33 - meaning we have him, at a high level for this year, next year, and possibly a 3rd year at the most (assuming we re-sign him). So if the Shannahaslett system(s) don't pan out by 2012 we're doomed. The world might actually end! Hahaha, we have the division crown within our grasps at this early juncture.....let's see if we tighten our grip, or let it slip through our fingers..... Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 You left out #4: still plenty of alcohol in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I would agree that we don't need to panic...mostly because we are missing several pieces on both sides of the ball. Most of the success we are having now can be attributed to the coaching and schemes. However, on offense we need OL, RB, WR, FB, and a QB of the future and on defense we need FS, OLB, and NT. That's a lot! One minor gripe...we have shown we can confuse QBs on defense, but we have yet to show we can generate turnovers. Though we're pressuring the QB, hitting hard, etc., we're on pace for only 16 TOs this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I don't agree with the notion of a re-building year at all. If they had a mother load of young players on defense, then yes, but they don't. The leader of this defense is London Fletcher and they have veterans around him. Orakpo and Landry would be the exceptions. This team is not built for the long haul and Shanahan wouldn't have come here if that were the case. What I can't believe is the defense had a real bad game and people are already calling it a re-building year after the first loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 We are rebuiling in the sense that a lot of guys here are almost stop gap guys until we can get in more younger players to fit the scheme. The cupboard was pretty bare in a lot of ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 We are indeed rebuilding. Albert, Andre, Rocky, Reed, Rabach, Galloway,R. Williams, Armstrong, LJ, and a few others will be looking for new homes if they can find them elsewhere after the season. Mr.Allen will have allot of work to do just as he did last year. The most intriguing part about this is how competitive this current team has looked against two teams that were great last season. Every fan has the right to be a little disappointed. This thread wouldn't have been created had we won the game yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 The most obvious reason is that its a rebuilding year! We didn't bring Shanahan and McNabb to rebuild, we brought them here to win now. How long do you think McNabb has left to rebuild especially with a patched up offensive line like we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 We are indeed rebuilding. Albert, Andre, Rocky, Reed, Rabach, Galloway,R. Williams, Armstrong, LJ, and a few others will be looking for new homes if they can find them elsewhere after the season. Mr.Allen will have allot of work to do just as he did last year. The most intriguing part about this is how competitive this current team has looked against two teams that were great last season. Every fan has the right to be a little disappointed. This thread wouldn't have been created had we won the game yesterday. Disagree, These are keepers right here.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 ONE of the most important reasons not to panice is that we don't have Jason Campbell "soup" as our QB. I hear he is lighting it up for Oakland. NOT! Guy is a loser period ... Sad part is we waited too long to kick him curb side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Disagree, These are keepers right here.^ Rock looks bad in the scheme.. Roydell Williams? (seriously bro) Armstrong (see Williams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 one thing I do like about this Shanahan era is how he got rid of the nice guys who weren't playing well. Unfortunately he forgot to get rid of Doughty, Horton, Heyer, and Malcolm Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm not panicked. I'm just pissed. You cant afford to give away games like that in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Rock looks bad in the scheme.. Umm you realize he is third in tackles in the entire NFL right? I know thats not the only metric by which to measure linebackers, but he is FAR from our biggest problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I don't agree that this should have been a rebuilding year.....had we kept the same defense and just made subtle adjustments; we would win the division. you can't say a team is rebuilding when they have the oldest roster in the league.....what are you going to say next year when we turn the roster over again?...the excuse next year when they struggle is that we have a bunch of new players....and by the time they figure it out, mcnabb will be too old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I would have thought this was a rebuilding year BUT 1- we now have an old team with a limited window. 2- we have an aged QB and all old running backs none of whom will likley be on this team in 3 years. 3- rebuilding teams have lots of young talent so they are willing to take some lumps because AS THEIR PLAYERS DEVELOP, there is hope for the future. This team currently has maybe 4 players capable of developing into probowlers and a pile of aged stopgap roster fillers. Shannahan burned a lot of collateral with experienced fans when he traded a draft pick for mcnabb, then we signed the 2006 probowl roster. This team needs in order 1-Olinemen, we have no young guys waiting in the wings, we have one probowl calibre player (hopefully) in williams, a couple decent players in Hicks and lick and maybe dock. an injury prone vet in his 30's who looked brutal against williams and nothing else. this unit has little developemental upside and a limited window. 2- receivers, Moss is aging and undersized speedsters dont usually play into their mid thirties effectively. nobody else on this roster has really showon themselves to be able to step up. in a perfect world kelly and thomas will have the light go on. hasnt happened yet. 3- Running backs, I love portis and hes solid, his blocking is amazing but he is a back who NEEDs a hole and hes not getting them, he looks off balance because he is trying to explode past the traffic because he knows hes getting hit at the LOS, in 2 seasons he will be completely done. LJ is done and keiland williams is not the answer. 4- we will need a QB asap to develop, we can keep Mcnabb to take the lumps while we develop a young guy for the future, how happy macnabb will be about that remians to be seen, i think he will want pieces to help him win now but we need to get a qb soon. now for the defence, I am operating on the assumption that we will continue to urn this abortion of a scheme if so we need in order. 1- a nose tackle, dont feed me BS about Jay ratliff, I want a hampton or wilfork who will make this team solid against the run. this is a priority. 2- a true OLB who can take some heat off of Rak and prevent teams from rolling protections. 3- I was torn here between a real 3-4 DE who could collapse the pocket and hold the poa vs a true cover safety, I am going to say true cover safety because its been brutal this far and we need a center fielder. 4- see above 5- a true cover corner, clos cant catch and dhall isnt as good as he thinks he is, we need a true shuttdown guy 6- a banger at ILB who can fill holes. these are all positions that NEED to be filled within the next two seasons, so all these people saying not to panic I am wondering if they will be patient enough to wait the minimum 2 seasons , now im saying two seasons because thats predicated on not missing on draft picks this team is not built to make a run in 3 years this team is built to win now or win next season after that this team is built for mediocrity, unless we undergo another vast roster rebuild next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 3 Reasons not to panic (besides the fact that a man should never panic....unless you're assigned job is to panic) 1) Haynesworth has yet to play meaningful minutes and i despite what the media tell us Haynesworth will make a big difference on the defense (just like he did last year) 2) Some of the problems are fixable: the coverage scheme is fixable, the running game is fixable, the miscues (e.g. false starts, offsides, missed blocks etc) are fixable 3) McNabb -Ryman why do you think that rebuilding and staying competitive are mutually exclusive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 this team didn't have many holes defensively, but created a bunch by switching to the 3-4. the major problems with this team has been discipline, offensive scheme/playcalling, game management, o-line and consistent QB play.....we addressed all those issues, but created many new ones with the 3-4 switch.....add the poor decision to sign larry johnson and the inadequate job solidifying the receiving core, and you have what you have now....a very mediocre team instead of a division champion...I hope I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 3 Reasons not to panic (besides the fact that a man should never panic....unless you're assigned job is to panic)1) Haynesworth has yet to play meaningful minutes and i despite what the media tell us Haynesworth will make a big difference on the defense (just like he did last year) 2) Some of the problems are fixable: the coverage scheme is fixable, the running game is fixable, the miscues (e.g. false starts, offsides, missed blocks etc) are fixable 3) McNabb -Ryman why do you think that rebuilding and staying competitive are mutually exclusive? because if you are rebuilding you keep draft picks and take your lumps because even if you have a bad season, you get a good pick, if you start trading picks to fill holes, you had better only have a few holes to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Well this GM is going to build the right way, but rebuilding has to start with picks but you can't use what you don't have from the idiot who used to be here. And it seemed like a pretty crappy year to sign a lot of free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins55 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Here's three reasons.. #1 -Green Bay started their season last year 1-1. Winning a close one against their rivals the Bears @ home, and then suffering a loss to Cincinnati @ home in which they gave up 31 points! #2 -Those same Bengals that beat the Packers in week 2 last year and swept their division.. also started the season 1-1, losing to Denver on a last second hail marry. #3 -Oh yea and the cowgirls.. the same ones who won the NFC East last year, got upset 33-31 @ home vs the G-men last year in week 2. Similarities??? to many to count! This season may turn out better than some of you think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackdaddydean Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 McNabb really should be the valium for us fans after a loss like this. He will keep us in games and will win games for us down the stretch. With Jason, we were praying to the gods of every religion that maybe JUST MAYBE he might FINALLY turn into an all-pro. Never happened. Never will. McNabb finally gives us security as long as he stays healthy. And if we keep getting turnovers and not giving them, we will win a lot of games because of that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 because if you are rebuilding you keep draft picks and take your lumps because even if you have a bad season, you get a good pick, if you start trading picks to fill holes, you had better only have a few holes to fill. Are you talking about the McNabb trade? We traded a 2nd and a 3rd for McNabb, the type of QB that more then half the league is still trying to find. I find it hard to believe that you could do better then McNabb's proven ability then with the potential of a 2nd and 3rd pick. Other then the trade for McNabb what's the issue? Oh you didn't answer my question about why/how the issues i mentioned in my previous post are caused by the 3-4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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