endzone_dave Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 How many of you ended up with Coles and Ramsey on your FF team? I feel like I got lucky when I got both. I think Ramsey will end up with 3500 yd 28 TD 18 Int. I think Coles wil rock with 1500 yd 12 TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaFlicker Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I ended up with Ramsey and Gardner (Coles was already gone). I think it will be interesting to see how Gardner does compared to Coles now that he's getting more coverage from #2 corners. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 i did.. I am in a keeper league, and it's a tight one,, we keep 6, and it's a 14 man league, so the draft is SPARSE. I got Ramsey last year and kept him, and traded for Coles on draft day (Jamal Lewis). While i hate trading a RB for a WR, I went into this year's draft with NO receivrs, and a weird draft order due to trades.. i had to grab a quality WR early, and the trade was offered up. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I see Ramsey throwing for 3200-3500 yards this year.. with a TD/INT ratio of about 18-12. If I'm a defensive coordinator gameplanning against Spurrier this year - even though I know the blitz has worked in the past - I play a Cover 2-deep zone. And I'll force Spurrier/Ramsey to be patient and throw underneath all day... waiting for those errant passes to turn into INTs. Force the Skins to run the ball and throw short - intermediate passes. So I think the Skins will be forced to run the ball this year a lot more than they'll want. Until the Redskins can show an ability to run the ball effectively. Spurrier will be forced to "run to set up the pass" instead of vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I wound up with the Skins defense as my backup behind Miami. The only problem is that when Miami has a bye, we play New England. I hope we look better against them than we did 2 weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchogs Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 i have coles. i think i got him in the 6th or 7th round in a 10 team draft. he's my number 1a wr with toomer being 1b. i have three other no.1 wr's on my bench though in case they suck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Pennington was my starter, and Ramsey was my backup. Ramsey's now my starter and Kitna is my backup... Thank god I still have Ahman Green, Terell Owens, Marvin Harrison, and Amani Toomer at my WR/TE spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchogs Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 how the hell did you get owens and harrison? is it a 2 team league or is everyone else idiots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 DH, You have an interesting thought on Ramsey. I just can't help but seeing it differently though. Under the assumption he plays a full year, I can't see him just throwing 18 TDs. Last year in what can only be described as a halting, hit and miss kind of offense, we managed 24 touchdowns between the group of players who got in there. Spurrier's offense is designed to throw touchdown passes. I think if Ramsey plays the full year, he could well have 26-30 TD passes. I also think he'll have around 20-24 INTs. High risk, high reward kind of thing. As a team we averaged 203 yards a game passing a year ago. In Ramsey's seven games (6.5 really) he threw for 219 yards a game. I think if he has some mild natural improvement through just knowing the offense better you'll see his completion percentage rise to around 55 or 56 percent and he'll throw for around 3,700 yards just by being in such a pass friendly offense with the personnel to exploit things. Even saying this I realize just how great a second year that would be. It's the down games and the mistakes that will kill us. I don't think he'll be consistent at all. I see him having a couple of 400 yard games where we slaughter teams, and then have a couple of 150 yard games where he throws three interceptions. I just think even if we are forced to run more than we'd like that we did that last year and he still did better so it's hard for me not to see a mild pop to his numbers, whether he's actually any good or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinIA Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Ramsey is my third QB behind Manning and Holcombe. Coles is my top WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Im assuming the guy with Harrison and Owens is in a 10 team league and he picked 10th in the draft, meaning he gets the very next pick. If that is the case though, that would mean Ahman Green slipped to 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Originally posted by dchogs how the hell did you get owens and harrison? is it a 2 team league or is everyone else idiots? The latter, I drafted Owens and Harrison first 2 rounds, then got Ahman Green due to the idiots in the draft, Anthony Thomas went higher than him, which led me to exclaim "This ain't 2001 buddy." Then I got Pennington the next round, Amani Toomer, Eddie George, Doug Jolley, Anthony Becht, Patrick Ramsey, Michael Pittman, and Morten Andersen, then the Pats defense, skipped the last round to use the bathroom and somehow got another kicker. Dropped Becht and picked up Derrius Thompson, then got Stephen Alexander by dropping Jason Hanson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 monkeyboy, i guess you are in a ten-team league and you drafted tenth, but i still can't figure out how you would get green in the third round then...?? penny is a crap starter for fantasy football. there should be many better options out there for you. ramsey will/would post better fantasy numbers than chad. art, i am in full agreement with your analysis. i expect solid numbers but a lot of bumps on the road to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Originally posted by AJWatson3 monkeyboy, i guess you are in a ten-team league and you drafted tenth, but i still can't figure out how you would get green in the third round then...?? penny is a crap starter for fantasy football. there should be many better options out there for you. ramsey will/would post better fantasy numbers than chad. art, i am in full agreement with your analysis. i expect solid numbers but a lot of bumps on the road to success. I am in a 12 team league and I magically got Green in the 3rd due to people who I'm pretty sure either hate the pack, or were just idiots. BTW, Pennington was a great fantasy option last year, threw alot of TDs and didn't throw picks, his yards per game weren't astounding but he made up for that in TDs. I had Culpepper last year and threw his and Drew Brees's asses out for Pennington and Maddox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBlue Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Count me as another with both of them -- I picked up Coles in the 5th with Ramsey in the 9th -- btw, I also got Trung in the 6th round. Then my jacka$$ brother-in-law drafted Rod Gardner in the 10th and asked if I wished to obtain him for Randy Moss straight up. I hate my brother-in-law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 In one of my leagues I have Ramsey, Gardner and Coles (Ramsey is my #3 QB behind Garcia and Farve) and I have in my other league, the Anti-Cowboys League (ACL) Ramsey and Coles (Ramsey again is my #3 behind Garcia and Farve). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HittinSkinz Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Originally posted by Art DH, "I just read the post below and something stuck out at me, you said "spurrier's offense is designed to throw touchdowns passes"..What offense in pee wee, High school, college or NFL football isn't designed to throw TDs? You have an interesting thought on Ramsey. I just can't help but seeing it differently though. Under the assumption he plays a full year, I can't see him just throwing 18 TDs. Last year in what can only be described as a halting, hit and miss kind of offense, we managed 24 touchdowns between the group of players who got in there. Spurrier's offense is designed to throw touchdown passes. I think if Ramsey plays the full year, he could well have 26-30 TD passes. I also think he'll have around 20-24 INTs. High risk, high reward kind of thing. As a team we averaged 203 yards a game passing a year ago. In Ramsey's seven games (6.5 really) he threw for 219 yards a game. I think if he has some mild natural improvement through just knowing the offense better you'll see his completion percentage rise to around 55 or 56 percent and he'll throw for around 3,700 yards just by being in such a pass friendly offense with the personnel to exploit things. Even saying this I realize just how great a second year that would be. It's the down games and the mistakes that will kill us. I don't think he'll be consistent at all. I see him having a couple of 400 yard games where we slaughter teams, and then have a couple of 150 yard games where he throws three interceptions. I just think even if we are forced to run more than we'd like that we did that last year and he still did better so it's hard for me not to see a mild pop to his numbers, whether he's actually any good or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 After picking Deuce McCallister and Randy Moss, I snuck the Coles pick out in the third round. I got McNair in round four, got a steal in Charlie Garner in round five, New England's D then Alge Crumpler in the seventh. I needed another qb, Ramsey was on the board but i flinched b/c I didn't like the idea of having the Coles Ramsey connection out in bye week 8 together. Instead I took Jake the Snake. About five seconds later I realized I'd made the wrong pick though. With as much as Ramsey's going to throw the ball, he'll put up better numbers than Plummer, especially since Plummer's got Portis. Plus, the combination of Ramsey and Coles could be a very potent one this year and will likely pay serious dividends to a FF team that has both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 My Ramsey projections are 3525/24/20, which might be conservative? Trivia: do you know how I derived those numbers? Incidentally, I projected Coles at 1178/7 and Gardner at 1098/8, which ranks them at 12 and 15 overall. I don't like having the QB and WR from the same team on my fantasy team - it's too many eggs in one basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthcat Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Got Coles but opted for Plummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchogs Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Originally posted by NBlue Count me as another with both of them -- I picked up Coles in the 5th with Ramsey in the 9th -- btw, I also got Trung in the 6th round. Then my jacka$$ brother-in-law drafted Rod Gardner in the 10th and asked if I wished to obtain him for Randy Moss straight up. I hate my brother-in-law. that's a lot of skins on one team. i do my best to avoid that if at all possible. i hate to have my heart broken twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBMGreatOne Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 NBlue, I hate it when people pull crap like that. In one league, I picked up Shockey in round five, then a guy who's team name was "Lincoln Financial" picked up Chad Lewis in the 13th round and offered me Lewis for Shockey straight up. This same guy tooled me similarly in a fantasy baseball draft, offering me Edgar Martinez (8th round) for Eddie Guardado (6th round) and Jorge Julio (12th round). I asked him why in the heck would I give him a higher draft pick for a lower one, he replied "dumb pick." The A-hole's in dead last in that baseball league, and I'm a half a point out of first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Originally posted by Earthcat Got Coles but opted for Plummer. Ouch. So much for your season. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Why do you guys get so worked up over dumb trade proposals? You don't have to accept them. Instead, laugh at the idiots who come to you with them. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 in my auction draft I got Coles, Gardner and Canidate but didn't have any cash left to get Ramsey after spending everything I had on Faulk and Portis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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