Boise State wants the NCAA to mandate home-and-home series

[BeachSkin]

To have a realistic shot at making the BCS championship game, you have to start really high in the polls, at least top 10, and only suffer 1 loss during the season, and that loss either better be at the very start of the season, or to another highly ranked opponent (and even then, you're likely going to need some other top 5 teams to lose).

Not always the case. If the Big 12 championship game timekeeper did his job last season then preseason unranked Cincinnati would have been playing for the national title.

[Elessar78]

:no:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709

Just a one-and-done, and STILL refused. BCS schools=Big Cowardly Schools.

oh it's so easy to see and take one snippet and regard it as gospel. And you're blatantly disregarding the TITLE OF THIS THREAD.

You know nothing of the cost to run a big athletic program and what ONE home game means to an athletic department's bottom line.

[PSUHeckler]

Yeah, I can just imagine Nebraska playing at South Dakota State.

Get real.

If South Dakota State can yearly rank as Boise does, then yea.

I think if a team year after year (Boise) can prove they are continually a contender - Top 25, Top 10, Championship - I think they should get the same respect and be offered more of the *big time* home games.

Don't get me wrong, I live in State College and have a job that kind of relies on the football season and PSU home games....And yes, mine and other big school's athletic departments do prosper now.

Dunno, just playing devil's advocate... my two cents

[Spartacus87]

Nebraska played at Wake forest and that is a small school enrollment wise.

Wake is at least an ACC program.

Playing at programs who aren't in automatic BCS conferences isn't really a habit you want to get in to (besides obvious exceptions like Notre Dame).

Not always the case. If the Big 12 championship game timekeeper did his job last season then preseason unranked Cincinnati would have been playing for the national title.

Another outlier that didn't even end up actually happening.

The vast majority of the time, it plays out the way I described.

(and then Cincy got their asses kicked by UF, so it's a good thing they didn't get to play in the BCS Championship game against Alabama)

[Spartacus87]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/24/1312712/bsu-idaho-open-scheduling-conversation.html

Idaho athletic director Rob Spear told the Idaho Statesman that he and Boise State counterpart Gene Bleymaier have talked about scheduling future football games.

"We've talked. ... Nothing to report," Spear said in a text message last week.

In a radio interview with 630 AM KIDO, Spear said Bleymaier contacted him, adding that Bleymaier was preparing a proposal.

The Broncos are moving to the Mountain West Conference in 2011 and away from in-conference games with the Vandals. The rivalry has been in doubt since Boise State president Bob Kustra's comments last month about Idaho fans. He called the culture in Moscow "nasty" and "inebriated."

"I frankly don't care whether we ever play 'em again as long as it goes," Kustra said then. "I don't see any reason to do it in Boise, but if somebody sees a reason to do it in Boise, fine."

It is not clear if Bleymaier's proposal will include games in Moscow. The Broncos could offer to play all the games in Boise with Idaho being treated as the home team every other year, allowing the Vandals to sell game tickets as part of their season-ticket package.

Bleymaier has routinely declined to talk about football scheduling before contracts are signed.

Boise's been playing Idaho for 40 years now, but now they want to end the rivalry because it's a road game they don't want to deal with and they don't believe they get enough in return for playing against Idaho. So the only way they want to continue doing it is if Idaho has to come to them every game.

Interesting perspective from Boise there.

[Larry Brown #43]

Yeah, but Boise can't travel if nobody'll face them. It's even worse than in college hoops. There, you go undefeated, you have a CHANCE to win the title. Not necessarily so in NCAAF.

Exactly. And it's terrible in hoops the way the big programs refuse to travel to the smaller ones. Schools like Maryland refuse to travel to places like George Mason because they know there's a very good chance they'll lose, and it looks like a bad loss on their resume. Yet coaches like Gary Williams always put down the littles as being inferior competition. Really? Come beat us in our building if it's so easy.

It's BS. Good for Boise State for raising the issue at least. They should force teams to play home-and-home series.

[ACW]

Exactly. And it's terrible in hoops the way the big programs refuse to travel to the smaller ones. Schools like Maryland refuse to travel to places like George Mason because they know there's a very good chance they'll lose, and it looks like a bad loss on their resume. Yet coaches like Gary Williams always put down the littles as being inferior competition. Really? Come beat us in our building if it's so easy.

Amen to that. The difference is though, we still were able to make a run in the postseason tourney; Boise can't.

About time to promote this book I will be getting:

[Larry Brown #43]

Amen to that. The difference is though, we still were able to make a run in the postseason tourney; Boise can't.

Very true. The frustrating thing though in hoops is you get guys like Gary Williams who vociferously make the case against putting mid-majors in the NCAA tourney, all while refusing to play us in our building.

[ACW]

Very true. The frustrating thing though in hoops is you get guys like Gary Williams who vociferously make the case against putting mid-majors in the NCAA tourney, all while refusing to play us in our building.

Williams=my least favorite NCAAB coach :mad:

I DID enjoy CAA-mates W&M beating them @ Comcast

[Larry Brown #43]

Williams=my least favorite NCAAB coach :mad:

I DID enjoy CAA-mates W&M beating them @ Comcast

Well that's just it...they have a hard enough time in their own building with CAA-level competition. Imagine if they had to play those games on the road? That's why Williams comes off as such a d-bag when he tries to argue against putting mid-majors in the tourney.

[The Evil Genius]

Not to derail a good rant...

but if your gym (or stadium) holds 2,000 people and mine holds 20,000 people. Why would I go to you, especially when you are the one trying to schedule me?

[ACW]

Not to derail a good rant...

but if your gym (or stadium) holds 2,000 people and mine holds 20,000 people. Why would I go to you, especially when you are the one trying to schedule me?

Fine, but then don't throw a ****fit about how mids don't deserve to get in.

[Larry Brown #43]

Not to derail a good rant...

but if your gym (or stadium) holds 2,000 people and mine holds 20,000 people. Why would I go to you, especially when you are the one trying to schedule me?

Patriot Center holds 10,000.

And what ACW says is right...Williams always runs his mouth about mid-majors making the tourney, and even said that GMU making the Final Four was bad for college basketball. Really? Well maybe he should have recruited the five starters (ALL FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND) from the Mason Final Four team. Maybe THAT would have been better for college basketball, if those five guys had been playing for the Terps instead.

[The Evil Genius]

Fine, but then don't throw a ****fit about how mids don't deserve to get in.

I don't.

But if you are mid major - you schedule major games on the road and take your lumps that you have to go to them. The win looks 10x more impressive on the road anyways.

[Larry Brown #43]

But if you are mid major - you schedule major games on the road and take your lumps that you have to go to them.

But the home court advantage in college basketball is huge. Mason is virtually unbeatable at the Patriot Center over the last decade, but pretty mediocre on the road. Gary knows that taking his team into the Patriot Center would be a horror show. It's not equitable for the mid-majors to always have to do the traveling.

See, my theory is that the high mid-majors are much closer to the big boys in terms of quality than most people realize. The only reason more people aren't aware of it is because the big boys refuse to travel to the mids. And that's a damn shame.

[pjfootballer]

And Maryland isn't the only one. Williams is just more outspoken about it then other coaches.

[ACW]

But the home court advantage in college basketball is huge. Mason is virtually unbeatable at the Patriot Center over the last decade, but pretty mediocre on the road. Gary knows that taking his team into the Patriot Center would be a horror show. It's not equitable for the mid-majors to always have to do the traveling.

See, my theory is that the high mid-majors are much closer to the big boys in terms of quality than most people realize. The only reason more people aren't aware of it is because the big boys refuse to travel to the mids. And that's a damn shame.

Though you DO have the few that have broken out and now gets the powers to travel (Gonzaga, Memphis, recently Butler).

[Larry Brown #43]

Though you DO have the few that have broken out and now gets the powers to travel (Gonzaga, Memphis, recently Butler).

Yeah, there's a few. But I think our Final Four run only made teams more afraid of coming to our place.

[ACW]

Yeah, there's a few. But I think our Final Four run only made teams more afraid of coming to our place.

Well, the bigs anyway. We DID get Creighton and Dayton.

[ljs]

**** BSU. I'm so sick of their fans around here. (note where I live). The president of that school recently wrote an article about the Univ of Idaho fans, about always being drunk and beligerent. And that after this year BSU will no longer have reason to play in the yearly state rivalry game.

Their getting too big for their britches, and I can't wait til a real team knocks them off. I hate them now as much as I hate Dallas. Their fans are just as bad, and their staff is as bad as the pukes staff.

Bob Kustra is the Jerry Jones of NCAA football

[Spartacus87]

Exactly. And it's terrible in hoops the way the big programs refuse to travel to the smaller ones. Schools like Maryland refuse to travel to places like George Mason because they know there's a very good chance they'll lose, and it looks like a bad loss on their resume. Yet coaches like Gary Williams always put down the littles as being inferior competition. Really? Come beat us in our building if it's so easy.

It's BS. Good for Boise State for raising the issue at least. They should force teams to play home-and-home series.

Like Boise now refusing to play Idaho, because they're too big to travel to play them?

Basketball is also a terrible analogy for football here.

Financially it's not nearly the same when you're talking about scheduling opportunities.

[fullnelson9999]

**** BSU. I'm so sick of their fans around here. (note where I live). The president of that school recently wrote an article about the Univ of Idaho fans, about always being drunk and beligerent. And that after this year BSU will no longer have reason to play in the yearly state rivalry game.

Their getting too big for their britches, and I can't wait til a real team knocks them off. I hate them now as much as I hate Dallas. Their fans are just as bad, and their staff is as bad as the pukes staff.

Bob Kustra is the Jerry Jones of NCAA football

This is very true. I think I lot of Boise sympathizers have never had to deal with all the Boise "fans" in forums and message boards with their "whoa is me" attitudes. A lot of them refuse to comment on the whole Idaho thing because they know they would be complete hypocrites if they did.

To me, Boise is a lot like Colt Brennan. People really don't have a problem with the school or football team (or person), but the fans are just unbearable.

[fullnelson9999]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a typical Boise State fan.

Warning: Its very painful to listen to this.

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[pjfootballer]

The thing about Mason is, they were not a very strong team (tournament wise) up until their final four run. They would have to do alot more for major hoops teams to want to come into their building. Without long term, sustainable success in the tournament, mid-majors won't get teams like Duke, UNC, Louisville, etc. coming into their place.

[Larry Brown #43]

The thing about Mason is, they were not a very strong team (tournament wise) up until their final four run. They would have to do alot more for major hoops teams to want to come into their building. Without long term, sustainable success in the tournament, mid-majors won't get teams like Duke, UNC, Louisville, etc. coming into their place.

Well, I'm thinking more about local programs--most specifically Maryland or even UVA. I wouldn't expect Duke to make the trip, but what would be the harm in a home-and-home series between Maryland and Mason? GMU would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think the only reason it doesn't happen is Gary Williams knows he probably wouldn't win at the Patriot Center.